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 Post subject: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:37 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:48 am 
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Football has been incredibly slow in picking up on what works in other sports. I'm pleased to see that there might be some more forward looking individuals at the top of the game rather than that idiot Blatter. However I don't see the need for another colour card. A yellow card should result in 5 or 10 minutes in the sin bin with none of this totting up nonsense. The team to benefit from a yellow card being shown should be the team against which the foul is committed not some other team a few months later on.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:51 am 
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Just leave it as it is.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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I like this potential rule

Implementing rugby's rule where only the captain can talk to the referee with a free-kick advanced 10 yards for any dissent

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:00 pm 
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I think the captains rule came in a year or so ago, maybe a ref could confirm, when games get out of hand, certainly at lower league level, i think the ref should speak to captains away from everyone else n tell them to get a grip of their team. Might help a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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Splod wrote:
Football has been incredibly slow in picking up on what works in other sports. I'm pleased to see that there might be some more forward looking individuals at the top of the game rather than that idiot Blatter. However I don't see the need for another colour card. A yellow card should result in 5 or 10 minutes in the sin bin with none of this totting up nonsense. The team to benefit from a yellow card being shown should be the team against which the foul is committed not some other team a few months later on.


Every yellow card is a sin bin?

That would be farcical.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:07 pm 
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A foul is either worthy of sanction or not. If it is worthy of sanction then that sanction should be immediate. The introduction of a sin bin might stop many of the petulant fouls and do away with the 2 yellows equals 1 red which is far greater penalty than two spells in the sin bin.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:10 pm 
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But people get booked for absolutely nothing

To say it isn't an immediate sanction is incorrect as the player knows for the rest of the game he can't afford to slip up again or he's off.

The game doesn't need changing this much.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:20 pm 
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It should stick to the yellow and red card system. They should stop giving yellows for silly things and should bring back common sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:21 pm 
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Who wants to watch 10 v 11 for an over half of most games, how will that improve anything?


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:23 pm 
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why complicate a game which already seems complicated enough as it is?

It seems every monday n tuesday is spent debating ref decisions rightly or wrongly given or not given at the weekend.

As Turners lad says just use a bit more commen sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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Joe Mac wrote:
I like this potential rule

Implementing rugby's rule where only the captain can talk to the referee with a free-kick advanced 10 yards for any dissent


Didn't they try moving free kicks forward for dissent a few years back and quickly end up binning it?


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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Changes should only be implemented if they actually improve the game, the last one to do so was the back pass law. This would do the opposite.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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Whatever the merits of his ideas (he also says FIFA should be less corrupt) I wouldn't trust Jerome Champagne. He was one of Blatter's closest advisers and allies until they appeared to fall out a few years ago. He has already said that he wouldn't win if Blatter stands again so presumably he'll drop out if that happens.

In politics he'd be called a stalking horse- he is doing his old mate Sepp a favour by starting the process and flushing out any real opposition so the dodgy old get can plan a good election strategy. This is sometimes known as working out which votes you might need to buy although I'm sure Blatter is as commited to open and fair elections as Champagne is.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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Jerome Champagne sounds like a rappers name.. I don't trust him based on that fact alone.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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To be honest they could try not employing blind mutes as linesmen and sacking crackpot referees. The rest will sort its self out after that.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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One thing they should bring in is that when a player needs treatment after a foul then the player who committed the foul has to stay off the pitch until the injured player can return or a sub be brought on.


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Should just do away with fouls and cards, be a lot more fun


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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so people want refs to give a free kick, then have to make a decision whether something is a sin bin, orange card, yellow card or red card?

Yeah that makes sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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One thing they should bring in is that when a player needs treatment after a foul then the player who committed the foul has to stay off the pitch until the injured player can return or a sub be brought on.



Teams shouldnt get the ball back if they kick it out for the own player to receive treatment. Fair enough if they do so for the opposition.

Players should be booked for carrying the ball away and then dropping it a mile away delaying the free kick etc. Kicking it away is a yellow card but carrying it is fine for some reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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Lets change the rules cos players cant use common sense.

If players stopped arguing over every decision, and lunged in two footed, there would be less cards anyway.

Yes the refs show little common sense, but players show far less.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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Hypothetical situation....... it reaches last 5-10 minutes of a game a defender goes up gets tackled by the commanding centre half who has won everything all afternoon goes down and feigns injury, defender goes off (along with commanding centre half) and stays down receiving treatment for the next 5-10 minutes of the game. The commanding centre half has to stay off as well even though there's nothing wrong with the "injured" player" Surely it opens up just another way to cheat. Just give the treatment , let player stay on as it was. "Bloodgate" of Harlequins and Leinster comes to mind. Maybe not to that extent but the possibilities are opened.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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It's totally open to abuse, say Ronaldo fouls your full back..... what are you going to tell him to do??

All of these ideas sound alright when people say them but in reality we just need to leave the game alone and sort out some of the individuals involved in it.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
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The only thing I would implement from that list is the ability for refs to book players who question their decisions, and move the free kick ten yards closer to goal like they used to for encroachment of the wall.

Only speaking to the captain wouldn't work very well if the skipper happened to be a keeper.

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poolieinnottingham wrote:
The only thing I would implement from that list is the ability for refs to book players who question their decisions, and move the free kick ten yards closer to goal like they used to for encroachment of the wall.

Only speaking to the captain wouldn't work very well if the skipper happened to be a keeper.



Moving the free kick closer has already been introudced and they got shot of.

Only the captain speaking to the ref was also introduced but fell by the way side.

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I don't understand why they stopped moving the free kick closer, it seemed to work well enough.

Although rugby is a very different game, the refs will not take any chew from players. It really wouldn't be that difficult to encourage football refs to dish out yellows for any Man U-style haranguing of referees who question their decisions. It makes me cringe every time I see it, and plenty of Pools players are guilty of it.

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poolieinnottingham wrote:
I don't understand why they stopped moving the free kick closer, it seemed to work well enough.

Although rugby is a very different game, the refs will not take any chew from players. It really wouldn't be that difficult to encourage football refs to dish out yellows for any Man U-style haranguing of referees who question their decisions. It makes me cringe every time I see it, and plenty of Pools players are guilty of it.


I reckon because it's not always an advantage, 20-25 yards out for example is the perfect distance for a good free kick taker you wouldn't want that moving into the box were through a mass of bodies it almost impossible to score.

Maybe it could be brought back but you have the option to take the 10 yards or not.


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Splod wrote:
A yellow card should result in 5 or 10 minutes in the sin bin with none of this totting up nonsense. The team to benefit from a yellow card being shown should be the team against which the foul is committed not some other team a few months later on.


very, very hard to argue with that... "the team who benefits" part of it I meant to say...

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I would love to see every time players run up to the ref shaking their hand for a card and surrounding him, they are all immediately yellow carded. It boils my piss seeing stuff like that.

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poolieinnottingham wrote:
I don't understand why they stopped moving the free kick closer, it seemed to work well enough.

Although rugby is a very different game, the refs will not take any chew from players. It really wouldn't be that difficult to encourage football refs to dish out yellows for any Man U-style haranguing of referees who question their decisions. It makes me cringe every time I see it, and plenty of Pools players are guilty of it.


you said the key words as to why this disappered

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I think they should change the "Over The Post" rule, plus that daft "Chalk And Cheese" thing too. I was at a recent Darlington 76trombonesinthebigparade match and they had fair sides until those two turned up. The lad who came on as Mergy Goalie was a ringer!


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:30 pm 
And you shouldn't be allowed to go home for your Tea just cos your Mam shouts you in....and the same goes for Bath Night!!!!


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Darlington Naf Co 54 have orange cards already, the yellow and red one went accidentally in the same wash as the linesman/players Dad's flag/handkerchief.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange cards in football
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:51 pm 
Would it have to be Orange, I would prefer a pastel shade, maybe like a primrose white :?


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Two things that I hate about modern footy are; 1)people shepherding ball out of play with their arms out stretched. You arnt in control of the ball and this is obstruction 2) all the pulling and shirt holding at set plays. It would be a foul anywhere on the pitch so why no there.

Why doesnt FIFA sort out the basics before all this crap. All it takes is for the ref to caution and send players off for all of this asap at every occasion and then it would all stop in a matter of weeks.

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The only time you should be able leave field of play is at 20 in or if you live near the pitch and have been nominated to get the bottle of council pop.

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Orange cards are a shite idea and will lead to a stop/start game that doesn't flow
As soon as someone is sin-binned, which will happen way more often than red cards, the team will just shut up shop and time waste for ten minutes until they are back to full strength


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loan_star wrote:
One thing they should bring in is that when a player needs treatment after a foul then the player who committed the foul has to stay off the pitch until the injured player can return or a sub be brought on.


Another retarded idea, if messi or Ronaldo for example fouled someone then he fouled player would just stay off as long as possible to keep the oppositions best player off.

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Sounds like this Champagne bloke is even worse than Blatter for ideas.


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