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 Post subject: what do you think of this article?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:00 am 
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Its spot on for me, and highlights why we rarely achieve much in this country.

http://bbc.in/1m3boTY

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:01 am 
The swear filter's buggered your link!


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jesus. :roll:

isnt it about time that was put right?

The article isnt even about ccricket.

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Expect it to be put right the same time that Thatcherite bilge is removed from the main board description... :roll:

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ah well, the mods clearly dont decent debate, but will always enjoy sussex's company. :roll:

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I've edited your link to one that now points to the article.

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 Post subject: Re: what do you think of this article?
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Yeah, couldnt read it before.

I recomend a book, Ive got it at home, its called simply "The Mavericks". It was written in the 80's but it forecast exactly whats happening now. I blame Don Revie, and Geoffrey Boycott.

Revie apparently lined up the likes of Worthington, Currie, McKenzie etc and basically told them theyd never play for England under him.


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The article actually suggests Alf Ramsey started the demise of the English game, despite winning the world cup.

Growing up in the 70's though it is staggering just how many brilliant players there were, but they never got a look in for England. Its scandalous.

I remember listening to one nugget from the 80's..........cant remember who, but he claimed Platini didnt work hard enough for the team, so would never make it in England.

Only in England.

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 Post subject: Re: what do you think of this article?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:44 pm 
Bobby Robson was the last gadgie who gave flair players a go. We all know how the press treated him. Now it's all FIFA Coaching anual which is why few International games are very interesting. The Africans still have some flamboyance but even Brazil aren't very exciting these days.


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Glen Hoddle gave flair players a go, put Scholes in his proper position, played Anderton, and generally had a more foreign approach to the game


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Glenn Hoddle was treat like shit when he played.

Then he became England manager and dropped Le Tissier. For the very same reason he was treat like shit.

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Hoddle never got a fair crack as manager, we were very unlucky in '98 and after that the press had their knives out for him


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Did Le Tissier really make the best if the ability he had though? Did he really have the desire to be a great player?

He was a good player no doubt and scored some fantastic goals but he really should have left Southampton at some point, I feel he was happy to be a big fish in a little pond. Whatever the reasons though the fact he only got 7 England caps is staggering.

It wouldn't be the case now though I don't think.


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le tiss stayed there cos he was comfortable, he was basically a lazy bastard n it suited him to stay there.

If he'd moved to chelsea when he had the chance it would have either made him or break him.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:14 pm 
Tiss says in his book that the deal with Chelsea wasn't much better than he was on at Southampton and he wanted to stay where he could get back to the Channel Islands easily.


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Then he truly is a donkey. Flybe are just about to axe their Guernsey flights. ..

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Though in fairness both he and the other famous donkey Le Saux always seemed to be kicking around St Helier when I lived there...

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 Post subject: Re: what do you think of this article?
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Why should a player move if he didnt want to?

Would you all slag off a pools player if he said he couldnt see himself ever wanting to play for another club, as he loved Pools that much?

There is far too much bollox spouted about players showing ambition by signing for one of the top four clubs. :roll: :roll:

and rolls them again :roll:

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do they all talk like they do in that Allo Allo rubbish

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if loyalty is stupid, then we are all prize dorks!!!

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 Post subject: Re: what do you think of this article?
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MadJohn wrote:
Full agreement with Dibble on this one. Matt Le Tissier appears to have had a club career that he thoroughly enjoyed. He could have moved to a club that was more likely to win trophies but he chose to play where he was happy. I don't see anything to criticise.


It's not a criticism and I certainly don't think he was daft. Great he enjoyed his career and he had an excellent one but I think that answers the question about desire to make the very best of his career. He was a superb player, one on his day you'd want to pay to watch.

At Southampton he was never realistically going to win anything or play in the European Cup or have the chance to play in big title or cup deciding games. He was always going to be top man at the Dell even if, as it did a few times, his fitness level left a bit to be desired or his performance level dipped.

He was happy but lacked that craving for success that is ingrained in the top players throughout history.


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"the great fallacy about the game is that it is first and last about winning.it is nothing of the kind.the game is about glory,it is about doing things in style and with a flourish,about going out and beating the other lot,not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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 Post subject: Re: what do you think of this article?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:23 am 
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Why should a player move if he didnt want to?

Would you all slag off a pools player if he said he couldnt see himself ever wanting to play for another club, as he loved Pools that much?

There is far too much bollox spouted about players showing ambition by signing for one of the top four clubs. :roll: :roll:

and rolls them again :roll:


I 100% agree with the above from Gloves!!!!


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Spender wrote:
Bobby Robson was the last gadgie who gave flair players a go. We all know how the press treated him. Now it's all FIFA Coaching anual which is why few International games are very interesting. The Africans still have some flamboyance but even Brazil aren't very exciting these days.

Thats rubbish. Robson turned to flair in the 1990 world cup including throwing Gasgoine in as a last resort because we
were going home. Up until the semi final against Germany we were little more than average and lucky to get that
far. Then we should have gone on to win it because we went for it big style. A bit like Hodgson now. His tactics have
been ultra negative until the last 2 home qualifiers when he threw an unknown called townsend into the cauldron who
came up trumps and pulled him out of the shit. Prior to that the football England were producing was utterly boring,
to the extent I did not renew my England membership!!!!


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Thats spot on that. The myths about Bobby Robson are staggering.

In the game England needed to win against Egypt, Robson didnt even pick Peter Beardsley.

No. Much better to pick the legendary world superstar, Steve Bull.

In 1986 it was even worse.

Robson preferred Wilkins and Robson in the middle whilst keeping waddle out and playing Glenn Hoddle out of position. He also remarkably preferred Hately upfront to Beardsley.

Only injuries and a sending off made him change it.

Also right up to the World Cup in 1990, Robson wasnt convinced he could trust Gazza to "do a job". :roll:

Only here could a talent like Gazza not be the first player on the team sheet.

But of course that is the gist of the article. English football is riddled with managers that pick a formation first and fit the players in to suit. Meaning they invariably leave the better players out.

My younguns team is coached by one the coaches from Pools academy, and unbelievably he does the same thing.

He is determined that they play 4 5 1, despite having no decent fullbacks. So inevitably two of our best outfield players are left out to suit his system.

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Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

My younguns team is coached by one the coaches from Pools academy, and unbelievably he does the same thing.

He is determined that they play 4 5 1, despite having no decent fullbacks. So inevitably two of our best outfield players are left out to suit his system.

I forgot Davy is your manager now so how the fook do you keep the pools scouts away???

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we havent kept them away. He managed to get our best defender to pools in september. He was released in december and now cant play for us. :roll:

Why do you think I am so against them? :laugh:

and this 4 5 1 he wants to play is so depressing its untrue.

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Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:
But of course that is the gist of the article. English football is riddled with managers that pick a formation first and fit the players in to suit. Meaning they invariably leave the better players out.


So Robson never picked Beardsley, Waddle, Hoddle, Gascoigne, and dare I say it, Beckham in his prime and even Gareth Southgate? Or the very young Michael Owen?

Or did you want them all in the same team?


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Spender wrote:
Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:
But of course that is the gist of the article. English football is riddled with managers that pick a formation first and fit the players in to suit. Meaning they invariably leave the better players out.


So Robson never picked Beardsley, Waddle, Hoddle, Gascoigne, and dare I say it, Beckham in his prime and even Gareth Southgate? Or the very young Michael Owen?

Or did you want them all in the same team?

Owen and Beckham were still in short trousers when Robson was manager. Hoddle got something like 63 caps but
should have easily got 100. unfortunately he was too good and didn't have the work ethic of a Calvin Palmer or
Geoff Thomas, who have both become icons of the modern game. In other words they were shit footballers but
they couldn't half run. Paul Scholes was the next victim of this inept coaching and squad/team selection to the
extent he retired when still in his prime!!!!! banghead


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:46 pm 
Calvin Palmer was OK, but his keks business distracted him from his game. sadx


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Do you even watch football spender? Beckham southgate n owen picked by robson? Are you on drugs?

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That dozy 'lovely lovely person' Keegan ruined Scholes, was far too concerned building the team around his bum boy Beckham


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considering he played 4 years after keegan left i'd say sven playing him left wing had more to do with it really.

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