graham swann

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

You utter utter cock.

Is there a wanker smilie?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:12 am

Swann is a fag.

That is all.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

And remarkably will just make it home in time for christmas.

Superb timing.

This tour just gets funnier. An utter utter farce.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

He's 34 and already had a couple of operations of his shoulder so he probably knew he did have long left as an England player he might have even decided before the series that this was his last. So to be told he's not playing at Melbourne has accelerated his thinking, I don't blame him really I wouldn't want to spend the last weeks of my career carrying drinks.

He's been a superb player for England though fair play to him.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:22 am

You don't blame him for chucking his toys out of the pram and stomping off home like a fag?

He has acted like a complete self obsessed wanker.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Oh give fucking over pj.

You dont walk away from your team mates when the chips are down.

Its one of the basic things I have tried to reach my kids.

You keep fighting to the end.

And he has added more ammo for the aussies that the others have to battle with.

He is a wanker.

He spouted morally inept shite on face books and now cant take the criticism.

Oh and he wll be home from christmas in the ashes fall out zone.

Pussy.

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

Swans family is in aus so he's not going home at all. Making lies up to suit your argument makes no sense.

I agree with pj, he's gave his all for England, Nasser took the piss out of him early doors, Darren gough got away with chinning him for no reason but he stuck it out. He then proved Nasser and all his critics who said he was just a county player wrong.

Over the last 8 years we have had enormous success. We have basically beaten everyone, won series in India Pakistan and the ashes in aus. Things that just wernt happening previously. Swann played a huge part in that. When you read what the others say, they all big Swann up. The players said he was always the joker of the team and kept spirits high when away from families for long periods.

An excellent player for us who time has caught up with.

Good luck Graeme and thanks for all the memories

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:51 am

Yes he has been good, but retiring mid series is bad, it lets his team mates down and it smacks of me me me rather than just retiring after the tour.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

He shouldnt get easy caps and should have been dropped.

And he should have sat ib the stands like the other unpicked players.

He is a wanker.

And a bottler.

And a wapist

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:07 pm

MadJohn wrote:

So because he's had three stinky tests at the end of a superb run for England, he should lose the right to decide for himself. Seems more than a bit petty to me.

We're essentially looking at two dead rubbers. It matters little to me if Swann hangs around. It makes more sense for Panesar (or Rankin or Finn or whoever) to play as they will also be available for the 2014 tests.

Anyway, an immediate chance for Panesar but a long term challenge for England. Swann has been an essential part of the attack for a long time now. We don't want to hit the same problems that Australia encountered when Warne was followed into retirement by Stuart MacGill (also mid tour). They went through some horrific (i.e. hilarious) times with a series of substandard chuckers - Nathan Hauritz, Xavier Doherty, Bryce McGain, Cameron White, Marcus North, Jason Krejsa, Beau Casson, Michael Beer - that kept me entertained for years while Australia kept losing and losing and losing.

We need an international class spinner who can maintain control for long sessions and get good batsmen out consistently. If he's an excellent fielder, a useful counter punching batsman and a motivational dressing room presence as well then we'll have struck gold. That's what we're losing in Swann. He leaves a big hole.

Cut it out MJ.

Reasoned arguments are not allowed when some come out with utter bullshit. The thread in question must carry on with utter bullshit.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

A massive hole. Its gonna take a huge talent to bowl better than swann has this series.

As it doesnt matter Jimmy anderson and pieterson might aa well go hone for a rest.

Lets send out some younguns to face the humiliating sledging thats sure to happen.

But hey swann has a good record so he can do what he likes.

He is a selfish ponce.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

I am. You are right tbere again I might change my mind.

Lucky me

tripledecker · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1938

Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

Oh give fucking over pj.

You dont walk away from your team mates when the chips are down.

Its one of the basic things I have tried to reach my kids.

You keep fighting to the end.

And he has added more ammo for the aussies that the others have to battle with.

He is a wanker.

He spouted morally inept shite on face books and now cant take the criticism.

Oh and he wll be home from christmas in the ashes fall out zone.

Pussy.

Morally inept ? Get a life No worse than the stuff that is on here just the usual overreaction from attention seekers in the media

Spender · **Posted:** Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:18 pm

Monty is good bowler but the trouble is he thinks his bat is there to lean on while you get bowled out. Swann was usually good for 20+.

Graeme Swann is 34 and like has been said has had operations on his shoulder. Series lost, why should he put himself through more?

tripledecker · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1938

It is disappointing how we have collapsed this series though it was coming , we have been in decline for a year, just need to regroup and put our faith in the you get players...though that does t include Bairstow !

pde147 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:12 pm **Posts:** 95

MadJohn wrote:

he's an excellent fielder, a useful counter punching batsman and a motivational dressing room presence as well then we'll have struck gold. That's what we're losing in Swann. He leaves a big hole.

It's extremely rare for me not to just nod and agree with most of what MadJohn writes but I think this is an utterly selfish decision.

Swann has bowled poorly but really to react to a team getting after you by chucking it all in is a bit pathetic. He will leave behind a sadder dressing room with many others contemplating running away. Instead of an orderly and managed transition for the team we may well get meltdown.

For all the reasons you list above Panesar cannot in any way replace Swann. We need to look again and blood a young spinner - but that can't happen until next summer and you wouldn't throw them in to this shambles.

I think decency and honour would suggest that Swann should have carried drinks at Melbourne tried to rehabilitate his elbow and form and played at Sydney before announcing a retirement which allows planning for a replacement in the summer.

We really do risk now an utter thrashing getting worse. We have to take some sort of pride from one of these games or be in utter disarray for years.

The guys who have gloried in their achievements and our approbation for years now need to take some of the heat from the younger players for the last two games - not run away to write autobiographies and carp from the commentary box.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

and now he starts bitching, but leaves the truth dangling. That'll make sure the team are all together.

This bloke really is acting like an utter utter 'lovely lovely person'.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

He doesn't feel his bowling is anywhere near what it was, has had this in his mind and feels he doesn't warrant a place in the team anymore.

I am struggling with this hate campaign against him to be honest I'm not sure after the games he's helped England win he deserves that. Especially when a lot of the people calling him names are the ones who were calling for the old guard to be dropped. His time has gone he knows his own body hopefully Scott Borrhwick gets a chance and grabs it like Ben Stokes has. Not sure were this leaves Durhams team for next season like!

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I think his comments are directed towards a few ex England players rather than anyone in the current England team but he shouldn't have said anything after his statement really it doesn't reflect well on him. As for his retirement though I'm struggling with why he is getting slaughtered. Dibble in this very thread was calling for change!!

My reassurance when talking about c ricket is to check what shite Piers Morgan is spouting and take the opposite view. What a grade A bellend that bloke is.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Can I add Talksport tothe list of things you dont like then?

Funny how you think some ex pros talk sense, but the ones that dont agree with you talk shite.

Alan Brazil gave his opinion, it differs to yours. Thats all.

Opinions are all valid in this case, arent they?

Angus Frazer and Derek Pringle both roughly agree with Brazil. Do you think they talk shite too?

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

PJPoolie wrote:

I think his comments are directed towards a few ex England players rather than anyone in the current England team but he shouldn't have said anything after his statement really it doesn't reflect well on him. As for his retirement though I'm struggling with why he is getting slaughtered. Dibble in this very thread was calling for change!!

My reassurance when talking about c ricket is to check what shite Piers Morgan is spouting and take the opposite view. What a grade A bellend that bloke is.

From what Swann has said himself he deserved to be dropped.

He should still have been a professional enough person to accept the axe, and carry the drinks out like the others do. Like Panesar did.

Unless you think some are more worthy than others, when it comes to the workplace?

All he has done is make it even funnier for the aussies their fans and their press.

And IF is was that fragile he should not have toured. Selfish arsehole.

Of course, had England been 3-0 up, his arm, elbow would have been fine.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

He doesn't feel his bowling has the same zip because of his shoulder injury. It doesn't he's not getting the the dip and drift that used to get him so many wickets. At 34 and a couple of operations that is not going to get better and knows that. What is the point in him taking up a place in the squad when he knows he is about to retire a place that has now gone to an exciting young prospect who will be itching for an opportunity?

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Aye. Thats if you believe him.

Of course he could have waited till the tour was over to say all that.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

The Ashes are gone why not start rebuilding now I'm sure it's what you were calling for last week!!?

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

I wanted some of them dropping.

Not sure how you can rebuild within such a small squad.

It surprises me that more people didnt want them dropped. Its not like we have been unlucky is it?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

He took at 33 wickets at 34 last year bot bad for a leg spinner, his batting did come on loads though, he batted 3 all season.

I think they should but him straight into the team.

tripledecker · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1938

Couldn't do any worse than that clown Kerrigan

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Just watching Swann's interview on Sky now, pretty clear he was slagging off Warner with the 'head up his own backside comments'

He spoke very well and it's hard to argue with his reasoning.

People slagging him off have got it massively wrong.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:47 pm

People sucking his arse are the ones massively wrong in my opinion like.

Retire gracefully at the end of the series you fucking megalomaniac bastad.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Mr Ripper wrote:

People sucking his arse are the ones massively wrong in my opinion like.

Retire gracefully at the end of the series you fucking megalomaniac bastad.

People made assumptions that he was having a dig and people in the England dressing room when it's pretty clear his dig was at a couple of the Australians and mainly the odious Warner regarding that appalling press conference in Brisbane. Three good Test matches and they think they're fucking World beaters.

People heard the news and jumped the gun and have talked absolute shite about Swann. He probably shouldn't have made 'the head up there own backsides comment' but if you take time to actually listen to why he actually made the decision you can't actually retire with much more honesty or grace.

If he thought he could still bowl do you reckon he'd have retired from all cricket or maybe still played played a bit T20 for half a million quid for six weeks work? His elbow is fucked and his bowling isn't the same.

The most successful English spinner ever yet lets not congratulate him on what he's done over the last 6 years or so lets slaughter the bloke...

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Oh give over PJ you are sounding like his mother.

If he had something to say, he should have said it. Not made stupid ambiguous statements.

He showed about as much bottle with the statement as he di with the hasty retirement.

And if he was that angry with warner why the fuck has he ran away like a smal child.

And we only have his word he wasnt really talking about hs own team mates.

He ran away and the leat he shpuld have done was go quietly

So angry was he that didnt have the balls to name him.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I am actually his grandmother.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

That is the worst shot I have ever seen.

What was the point in grafting yesterday to do that we were 7 down?

Appalling.

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

Clueless!!!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

Mr Ripper wrote:

People sucking his arse are the ones massively wrong in my opinion like.

Retire gracefully at the end of the series you fucking megalomaniac bastad.

Got to agree with the Ripper here.
All he had to say was I've got an injury which doesn't look like it's gonna heal, so I'm pulling out of the series.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

So essentially it was better for him not to tell the truth?

What difference would that have made by way?

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

And what is the truth?

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

I'm still wondering why kp's dismissal was appalling??

Most clueless comment I've ever read on here.

He was barring with the tail, which basically has collapsed every time so why on earth wouldn't he try to score quickly. Do you honestly think broad Anderson and panesar were gona help him. He went after them and rightly so. Its how he plays. The mcg has quickly became a very hard ground to score runs. 150 is the average these days in there games in days 1 and 2. It gets better after that looking a recent results there. Our score was quite competitive given the recent results there. Pieterson was never gona try n get quick singles with the guys who were left. Bresnan had just lost his wicket and he basically knew he had to attack. I'd much rather see him lose his wicket being positive than any other way

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

It was just about the worst shot I have ever seen a top order Test match batsman play.

It was a premeditated out of control slog, he was batting with Stuart Broad who has scored a test hundred and a double figure number of half centuries and we had two wickets after that. Anderson and Monty lasted about 40 balls between them had KP kept the strike and used his brain he could have faced another 80-100 deliveries.

It was a shocker.

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

Surely you understand though that's how he plays. It was only a shocker cos he was caught. Are all his 6s shockers?? Broad is recovering from injury and is also an attacking batsmen. Lately he has been poor with the bar aswell so kp was always going to go after them. Anderson and panasar.... well were lucky if eorher gets into double figures. Fully agree it was a rash shot but in the situation we were in he just wasnt gona play defensively.

Be honest would you rather see him get out playing aggressively or any other way?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Caught!?

You haven't even seen it have you yet are trying to argue with me!!!!!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

PJPoolie wrote:

It was just about the worst shot I have ever seen a top order Test match batsman play.

It was a premeditated out of control slog, he was batting with Stuart Broad who has scored a test hundred and a double figure number of half centuries and we had two wickets after that. Anderson and Monty lasted about 40 balls between them had KP kept the strike and used his brain he could have faced another 80-100 deliveries.

It was a shocker.

That's bollocks.
I'm beginning to think you don't know much about this game.
You really could be Swann's grannie. You talk like and old grannie !!!!! LOL.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

This is hilarious.....

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

PJPoolie wrote:

Caught!?

You haven't even seen it have you yet are trying to argue with me!!!!!

Fuck knows why I wrote that when Johnson bowled him but do you honestly think he was going to play any other way. What were you expecting when bresnan went? Maybe cos it was the same over why you think it was appalling?? Some of his previous dismissals have been appalling, the clip to leg side when they had 3 fielders stood there was exactly that however on this occasion I fail to see what else he could have done. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but sadly dosnt mean anything

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

PJPoolie wrote:

Caught!?

You haven't even seen it have you yet are trying to argue with me!!!!!

Nobody tries to argue with you PJ. It's a simple case of feeding you and then sitting back waiting to be entertained.
clappp

The period between Christmas and New Year is pretty tedious but you sure brighten it up with your drivel.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

How ever a batsmans mindset is and intent at Test level the very least you should expect is that he watches the ball. He guessed before the ball was bowled that it was going to be short and the result was about as ugly as you'll ever see at any level, he is one of the best batsmen in the World it is a massive ground were plenty of twos can be picked you can bat aggressively with the tail without slogging wildly.

Do you reckon Brad Haddin will just give us his wicket in the morning.

You can't really defend that shot.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

derwent wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

Caught!?

You haven't even seen it have you yet are trying to argue with me!!!!!

Nobody tries to argue with you PJ. It's a simple case of feeding you and then sitting back waiting to be entertained.
clappp

The period between Christmas and New Year is pretty tedious but you sure brighten it up with your drivel.

Speaking of tedious....

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

PJPoolie wrote:

This is hilarious.....

I agree.
Reading your attempts at convincing intelligent people of your deep knowledge of a myriad of topics is nothing but hilarious.
Keep going old son, you're making me chuckle. LOL :laugh:

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

PJPoolie wrote:

derwent wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

Caught!?

You haven't even seen it have you yet are trying to argue with me!!!!!

Nobody tries to argue with you PJ. It's a simple case of feeding you and then sitting back waiting to be entertained.
clappp

The period between Christmas and New Year is pretty tedious but you sure brighten it up with your drivel.

Speaking of tedious....

Go on then, speak of it. That is a subject you are a proven expert on. LOL :laugh:

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Welcome to my ignore list.

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