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not quite for being to negative, I think emotive was the word used.

Football forum in emotive shocker!

Aren't they all?


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Certainly an interesting comment from Simpson.

Is the definition of 'Emotive'....Fans off a Football Club speak sense and ask pertintent questions????

Emoting, emotive words... is the practice of using very descriptive words that not just tell a story but also paint a picture. Example: 'he got a pen and wrote' is plain, more emotive would be "he snached the pen with a furious grab and with a flourish put pen to paper and wrote..."

AGREED - i DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT POOLS THINK ABOUT WHAT GETS POSTED ON HERE!! iF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN FUCK OFF!!! PunkRoCK StyLeE !!!

Mark Simpson can just fuck off anyway!! Mackem twat!!

I should have said the people who currently run Pools.... as they all come and go, unlike ourselves

This gives us the right to say what we like!!!!

No one at the forum slagged the Bunker off in any way, if that's the way it's being reported back by other people then it's simply wrong. I think it's going to be a success if people allow it to be, some of the stuff discussed today was ALL for the good of the fans and neither Russ or Mark asked for anything in return.

I'm going to put some stuff in a bit more detail tomorrow to get people's opinions on as well as invite suggestions, obviously Pools can't implement everything they hear however anything that can help to increase matchday revenue and make things better for the fans is more than welcome.

In the meantime if anyone has anything they'd rather not put on the forums that they wish to suggest feel free to PM me.

Hence the reason i seldom post on here. Some on here have real issues.

So am I right in thinking that the Bunker was not singled out for criticism for being negative?

Negative that is because everyone wants to be all doom and gloom rather than being a direct reflection on what's happening on the pitch and in the club.

You're right, it wasn't. Messageboards themselves were pointed out to have a vast array of opinions, a lot of which extreme because of the nature of anonymity (by me, as it happens) so I suggested I can feed back a balanced view based on a number of opinions and by taking the emotion out of some of the posts (Tree's hatred of Flinders didn't get a mention either ). I asked Mark if he'd consider having an official pools login for the boards to which he replied no, his choice. He did mention that negative posts get more replies, and lets be honest, they do. It wasn't said as a bad thing, he just mentioned that it would be nice to have some praise sometimes. He did also concede that there hadn't been much to shout about.

I don't know what's been fed back after this and I'm a little baffled how the Bunker itself has been singled out in a bad light, the only time it was mentioned specifically was when Barbara mentioned she didn't have falsies and was in fact a lady.

Messageboards were mentioned for 5 minutes of a 2 hour meeting, I'm baffled as to why it's managed to come out in such a negative light. Some good stuff was mentioned and I'm happy to mention more if the suggestions are given to me.

If he did and I'm mistaken then fair enough. Put pretty much word for word what I heard.

Still, if anyone's got suggestions for how to improve their matchday experience then feel free to post them. I'm sure Pools will listen to them, even if they do come from the Bunker

Didnt Simpson mention a thread calling Walton a 'lovely lovely person'?

I just want to know Mr.Yloop....and I need answer pronto....am I and others in the same boat....am I allowed to bring my dog into the Ground and hoy it onto the pitch....thus running amok....whilst the said opposition are attacking and exploiting the frailities with a perfect ball????

So....can I bring my Dog to Pools????

the reason MS only mentioned the bunker was simply because he said that is the one he generally views. There was no negative comments as such.

It was suggested that a member of pools joins the message boards, but that offer was rightly rejected. As they said, how can a member of pools get involved in discussions when players are in line for criticism for example, join in saying yeah he's shi7 etc and then look at the players around the club. In other words it wouldn't be professional from the clubs point of view. It could potentially cause negativity around the club.

The fans panel will be a success and once we get the minutes from the meeting back early this week, between us I'm sure a brief version will be posted on the message boards and allow for discussion between fans. Then the next meeting (before the Oxford game) will probably start getting in to the nitty gritty on how the club re-builds itself off the field.

I said in the meeting that I applied to join the panel as I believe I post balanced views on here & want to represent those balanced views, whilst some others' posts are more emotive. For the record, I applied to join the panel, quoting which part of the ground I use & stating that I rely on the internet to keep up to date with club developments. I did not apply as a message board rep, & was in fact invited to join as Out of Town representative. There is a separate social media rep.

I don't recall Mark Simpson referring to "In the blue" or "Vital", but as I very rarely visit those boards, they weren't part of the conversation. It wasn't a case of the Bunker being singled out for criticism.

Mark did say he doesn't post on here now, because if surrounding threads contain statements like "Simon Walton is..." (he stopped there) then he could be seen to be adding credibility to those other posts.

Russ Green did say that if it was felt that other participants should be invited to join, the club welcomes suggestions.

I have set up a separate email address, OutoftownHUFC@yahoo.co.uk, if anybody wants to leave their suggestions for the panel to consider, or you can pm me on here. Other panel members are likely to provide similar contact details

That'd be a first like.

Simpson could do worse than take a leaf out of his predecessor's book. I don't remember Paul Mullen having any problems and where things were controversial he just stayed out of them.

There was a clear understanding on what he could and could not comment on. Mind you, there was a lot less tickle belly in those days.

Why was Simpson in attendance and why wasnt hodcroft there??

So it sounds like all we need is for Walton to stop being a 'lovely lovely person' and we'll be ok

Mr Yloop, did the subject of ground ownership come up?? As we can't pick the team or the brand of pie, maybe that's the most interesting topic, or is it all about what happens on matchday and the media out put?? Who chairs the meeting?

I wasn't there but having a guess. To get some information for the Official Site. I think we would all prefer actual facts from any of the meetings to be just that and facts if they're going on the OS rather than Simpson /or anyone else putting "heresay" on there.

Unless nothing is put on the OS until official minutes are released and as minutes are technically not official until they're accepted at the next minute fans who don't use any of the boards but may look at the OS would have to wait 2 months for anything to be released.

It did come up and negotiations are ongoing. The change of the council has been a positive one in the eyes of Pools and the precedent of Robinson's being given the land around the ground has increased the chances of IOR owning the ground. There's still negotiation to be done but things are moving along.

Russ chairs the meeting with Mark, Sarah and (I think) Becky who work in the media and fan liaison departments.

If IOR are as hard up as they would have us believe and can't afford to have Sky TV in the ground where are they going to get the money to actually buy the ground? It seems to me the fans panel is a good idea if you want more sugar in your half-time cup of tea but the plans and ambitions of the club will be as they have been since IOR took over.
That is something resembling a Secret Society but something they will always expect the fans to buy into.

Good stuff. That's the sort of info I want, so it seems the Panel is a good thing. If you're talking to Mark, as an expat, I'd like to see more interviews, coverage of training and that. There's plenty of expats following Pools on Poolsplayer.

Why is it important to have Sky TV in the ground?? Why should we line the corrupt Aussie octogenarian's pockets?? The sum total of the TV money that comes down to our level is the sum total of fuck all. He paid for Bale's transfer at 1m Euro's and if you don't think that was ridiculous, good luck to you.

Obviously it is not important to you as you never go to the fucking ground!

You seem to be confusing the term afford, with the fact that Pools have decided it doesn't make financial sense. Especially as most fans won't notice a difference.

Did the pie situation get discussed?

Although saying that, somebody is eating them, never any left 1 minute after half time, if they want to improve revenue on food and snacks, they should start a stock and order system to capture sales, increase on sell outs etc the following game.
Sweets is a joke, no idea what people want and range is dire, same for crisps!

The pie situation did and there's an ongoing contract with pukka pies, however some of the pies have been replaced with Parkers ones. They do stocktake on all of the food, it's a fine line though as any wastage is a nightmare for a club of our size.

The fans panel is a great idea IMO. Yes of course, a lot of it will be the board's propaganda being fed down, but at least there is a chance for 'us' to be in touch with Russ etc and have a chance of making changes. An instant result with the bottle tops.

A wise man once asked how to eat an elephant - the answer is a bite at a time.

Stick with it yloop. Hopefully with our first league win under the belt we can kick on from here and things will start improving both on and off the pitch!

As a caterer, I understand the need for control, however I have an average sales base to work from, they constantly sell out in the millhouse after the first few customers, there are another 100+ potential sales missed out on hot food.

The confectionary shouldn`t be as stringent, as the sell by dates are decent on them, they only have approx 8 products to control ffs

I couldn't give a flying fuck whether we have Sky tv in the ground or not. I used it as an example of the alleged shortage of money at the club at the present time. Instead of trying to be a smart arse why not tell us where you think the money is coming from for IOR to buy the ground

Did the tomato sauce situation get discussed?

Where the biscuits really Family Circle?

Ball boy situation, why don`t they use the under 15`s like they used to

Also, does anyone actually tell them what to do?

Them 2 that were asleep in the town end corner and despite prompting still stayed rooted to the spot

The youth team were previously used but they play their games mostly on a Saturday so can't be used anymore. I said we could maybe use the schools penalty takers, they're looking into it.

Was there any discussion about new players and also was the Hartley fee mentioned

I think he's already answered that one

Anyway, regarding an earlier comment about food wastage being a nightmare for a club our size... let it be known that I would never waste a pie given the opportunity

We're had he answered that?? How much did we get and were is the money?? If Lids and pies are more important than new players and finances then no wonder we are as fucked as we are

I answered in the thread I started, no club in the world discusses its finances in that level of detail. Perhaps a shareholder can wrote a letter or an email to the club, I think that's the closest we're going to get.

No one said those things are more important however what's the point in chasing something you can't control or have an influence on? The stuff we can have an influence on has an impact on many people and whilst something might seem trivial to you it could be a deciding factor in whether someone goes to the game or not. As a knock on people will spend more money, turnover will increase and we can spend more on players. If you've any suggestions or opinions on the stuff I posted or anything to add along those lines then feel free to contribute. It's not possible for me to ask questions about finances, playing staff or any of that, it's not an interrogation, it's ways to improve the relationship between the club and the fans.

The thread is here if you want to have a look:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=50907

Surely though as the club says they have no money, a legitimate question would be were did the Hartley fee go?? Its way more relevant than pukka pies

If we can't afford sky how can we afford the ground?

We've been in negotiations with the council for the ground since forever n it gets nowhere.

Pools don't wanna pay for it, simple as that, that's what it boils down too.




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RB, if they told me, then what? We're looking at ways to improve things not to gain information from the club or tell them how they should have spent a transfer fee. It's completely irrelevant. Write them an email or ask for a meeting with Russ if it's an important mater to you.

Yubep, if we cut things like sky then more money can go into the playing side of things. I don't think it's a case of can't afford, it's more a case of is it worth it for the vast amount of money they're charging? No one watches it apart from a few people in the boxes, the half time scores are on the BBC so no difference there anyway.

It's apparent the club is wanting to be self sufficient until they get the ground so whether we like it or not we need to maximise income from sources other than tickets.

The fans panel is about geting feedback from the fans regarding their matchday experience. Obviously the games result is the key to how we feel after the match but they want to know about the rest of the visit to the Vic. Well done them for listening.

How does anyone think the panel is the right forum to ask questions about the clubs finances or discuss contracts or players?

Wow if you think that's completely irrelevant but somehow think which pies we sell is then appointing you was a big mistake.

We all want answers and surely that's the whole point of this. How our money is being spent is completely relevant I really can't believe you have responded like that

Yloop, I think most people would forgive the club all for all the poxy little problems that we have regarding the pies, the tannoy etc. etc. if the playing side was what we all want it to be but it isnt. The panel should be looking at gaining information on the future of the club and the immediate prospects, nothing is irrelevant, including where the money is spent. The club have given us, the fans, the opportunity to put questions to them and they should be applauded for that but please don't think that we shouldn't be asking questions on what is happening with the financial side of things, we all want transparency.
It is worrying though when we hear of cost cutting exercises like the removal of sky, or when we run out of food from the kiosks, sometimes before half time. It gives the impression the club is being run like a small business and gives out negative vibes to all of us.