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 Post subject: FFP explained by the Mail
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:40 am 
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I thought would put this up as answers loads of questions about it, the Mail love that pic of KH looking like he has sucked a lemon.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/f ... -1-5838033

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love that pic of KH looking like he has sucked a lemon.

In what way is it different from all the other photos of him sucking a lemon?

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.


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Same article near enough the official site released a few weeks back.

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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.



Have they not done enough?

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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.



Have they not done enough?


:laugh: :laugh: not this old chestnut again...

Over to you Pj

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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.


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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.



Have they not done enough?


Have they done enough?


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do they give a fook?

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yloop wrote:
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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.



Have they not done enough?


Have they done enough?


Never answer a question with a question. :laugh:

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I'm not saying they should donate millions however last season we couldn't bring in a released youth player because of this ruling. Can't have been on more than £400 a week? Blaming a ruling is hiding the fact they've took their foot off the pedal over the past few years.


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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.


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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.


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:laugh: Who on earth is it?

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Dunno but I'm using it next time Bob posts a 2000 worder.


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I'm not saying they should donate millions however last season we couldn't bring in a released youth player because of this ruling. Can't have been on more than £400 a week? Blaming a ruling is hiding the fact they've took their foot off the pedal over the past few years.



Nailed it yloop.

Ken cant grumble that we are in a lower division n will have less income coming in as the club done sod all last season to keep us in this division.

1 or 2 loan players could have kept us up.

He can hide behind these little rulings all he wants but its BS.

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Maybe we could do what the Darlo fans did and collect Mcdonalds monoploy vouchers, pool them together and anything we win we can donate to the club for loan players?

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yloop wrote:
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So IOR could donate money and we could buy players and pay wages but they don't. Instead they hide behind this ruling.


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This could be applied to Ken's picture..

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Dunno but I'm using it next time Bob posts a 2000 worder.


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clappp clappp :laugh: clappp

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It could so easily be one of those pictures that appear on message boards the world over.

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i keep looking at it n laughing, good one ken.

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Ken/ior announced several year ago that investment would be wound down while the economic problems continue.

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I haven't seen too many oil companies in financial difficulties..

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Ken/ior announced several year ago that investment would be wound down while the economic problems continue.


its not investment is it its a loan

wheres that guy when you need him, reason thingy, hed love this stuff

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Well if it's a loan, maybe they've decided not to loan any more until we become more self sufficient.?

Either way, they said 4 or so year ago that they wouldn't be spending as much as previous years.

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so what?

If, to help a business thrive, you need to invest, you dont bury your head in the sand because of what you said 5 years earlier.

FFP is a cop out used only by those with no money, or no willingness to invest.

Its not breaking news though, its always been obviously that way.

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Why should it all be driven by money?

Would you lot rather follow a team of enthusiastic lads who want to play football and will do so for reasonable wages or a bunch of £10k a week big time charlies who don't really give a toss?

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What is a reasonable wage?

And will we get reasonable players for that wage?

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why does someone on 10k a week suddenly not give a toss?

you pay for what you get, n if we are paying shite we are getting shite.

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we had to pay more than others to get mark tinkler, was that a mistake?

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Pay peanuts get Monkey..

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It seems KH has been fooling some for quite some time.

It seems you can fool some on the bunker all of the time.

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so what?

If, to help a business thrive, you need to invest, you dont bury your head in the sand because of what you said 5 years earlier.

FFP is a cop out used only by those with no money, or no willingness to invest.

Its not breaking news though, its always been obviously that way.

That's what I was trying to get at.

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And there was me, thinking that all the Bunker finance experts were on their holidays.

During the last moan... errr...debate...err...with everyone's valid opinions an' that, someone had been trawling Companies House for IOR's accounts. Anyone remember that?? :wink:

Where is this huge chunk of cash that they should be throwing at the club?? :laugh:


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I'm not saying they should donate millions however last season we couldn't bring in a released youth player because of this ruling. Can't have been on more than £400 a week? Blaming a ruling is hiding the fact they've took their foot off the pedal over the past few years.



Nailed it yloop.

Ken cant grumble that we are in a lower division n will have less income coming in as the club done sod all last season to keep us in this division.

1 or 2 loan players could have kept us up.

He can hide behind these little rulings all he wants but its BS.


This is old stuff regurgitated by the increasingly superfluous 'Hartlepool' Mail but you are spot on mate, no matter how hard he tries to apportion blame to others or hide behind dubious FL rulings, Ken Hodcroft remains directly responsible for the clubs current position, for any cash shortfall resulting from the cheap ST deals and also for whatever transpires over the forthcoming 9 months.


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Ior are slowly winding down their investment- the people to blame are the council for not selling the ground


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Whinge away, but IOR is the only inflatable raft in an empty ocean..... never a wise time to play with a Stanley knife.

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Whinge away, but IOR is the only inflatable raft in an empty ocean..... never a wise time to play with a Stanley knife.


Absolutely correct. The cry is 'why don't you throw money at it,' when these people have the cheapest season tickets in the League.

'We want more,' is the demand.

Pathetic. Give more, get more. Nothing is free. :roll:


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Whinge away, but IOR is the only inflatable raft in an empty ocean..... never a wise time to play with a Stanley knife.


Absolutely correct. The cry is 'why don't you throw money at it,' when these people have the cheapest season tickets in the League.

'We want more,' is the demand.

Pathetic. Give more, get more. Nothing is free. :roll:


I don't want the cheapest season tickets, I can afford higher prices. I want our owners to look interested.


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Then you need to talk to the people who do want cheaper season tickets. Talk to Mr Fireball. He's been asking for cheaper tickets since 2007. Read his Monkey Business columns.

I never thought cheap tickets were the answer either. Obviously they haven't worked out that way. This from the non-communicative club that never listen to the fans.


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I'm not going again until the vic is called the Berg Larsson cock shop.


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I want them to sponsor each of Russ Greens man boobs for £5 million.

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Has there ever been a bloke on this board with less insight than Spender ? A bloke who knew less about football ?

You keep commenting on a subject you know so little about it is embarrassing. Being an idiot abroad in itself is no drawback to serving some purpose, look at the Karl Pilkington fella. Then again he isn't a smug, patronising idiot I guess.

Outside of a smattering of big teams, football clubs across the board have been slashing admission costs and offering deals to entice fans into grounds. Why ? Well firstly because the country is in the grips of the longest recession in memory, and secondly because it had become genuinely too expensive to get in to a lot of grounds for ordinary people.

Anyone suggesting cheaper season tickets havent worked is going down the borderline moron road.

Or perhaps Spender thinks that attendances would still have been around the 5000 mark they were all those years ago if season tickets had continued keeping pace with inflation and the current cost was £450 ?

How many would we sell at that price ? How many would have been paying £25 a pop to get in during January and February last season ?

Its the classic hypocritical response from someone who probably hasn't been to a game for 3 or 4 years- everyone else should keep going, pay whatever it costs, and never say a bad word about the owners/club/team/management ever.

What is the biggest irony though is that Spender claims to be an accountant. Or that he used to be and every smug and patronising remark on the subject of finance he makes is followed by a rolls eyes smiley, or a wink smiley. The classic " I know so much more than you " as though it lends some kind of credence to his increasingly ludicrous pronouncements.

Try reading this really slowly, or get someone with half a brain to explain it to you.

Whoever finances the club, and the key word there is finances and its not to be confused with owns, can put however much fucking money they like into the club and then sign whoever they want on whatever wages they want. The only difference the rule change has made is that the money has to be in the form of income rather than a loan.

Whoever has been lending Hartlepool United a shedload of money can no longer put money for wages into the club that way. And most sane people would agree that the rules were introduced for the right reasons, to stop clubs building up huge debt by living outside their means, then going bust.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN owners cannot invest whatever they choose in the clubs. In simple terms, if IOR wanted to give Hartlepool United £10 million for the right to call Victoria Park, The Berg Larsson Cock Shop for the next 12 months, once that money hits Pools bank account they could go out and start making plans to spend half of it on players.

No fucker is saying whoever has been financing Pools should do so forever, or that they should put money in if they havent got it, simply that if they WANTED to then they could. That is how football clubs by and large are operated and generally have been. Rich men stick money into them to subsidise them.


Couldn't have put it better myself.

Sussex knows more about pools than that high horse sitting knob!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:09 pm 
Fantastic personal attack like. I'm honoured that you spent the first five paragraphs trying to personally demolish me, my career, my lifestyle, my location, and everything else I've been so indiscreet to reveal on here, as we've never met.

However, meaningless vitriol aside now you've definitely secured your date with Yubep, and assuming you got turned down tonight, which we'd have to, where's the money coming from??


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