Anyone else reading it? Quite amusing, Sam arguing with Hope over comments made towards new and young players after the first firendly defeat.

Yep, very entertaining. Completely agree with Collins.

Me to, I see what Hope means but no need to single out players just yet, at least wait until a but further into pre-season to judge. Hasnt even given the obligatory 4 games!

Craig's comments were strikingly similar to this..

"Not looking good at all, two weeks to go. Be lucky to get the 3k."

It's called "Jumping The Gun". Too early to make such predictions, and WAY too early to be having a dig at the team's fitness.

Are the season tickets the cheapest in league football?

You don't need to know about League football for a good while yet.

Answer the question or return to you're mosquito net..

Team collins

That must be a rhetorical question as unless some club offered a deal for lower tickets the more they sold as Pools did last year then surely if they were cheapest x number of weeks ago they still will be.

Go Sam.

To tell the difference between your and you're, what you do is read the sentence with you are in it, if it makes sense then you're is correct if it doesn't your is correct.

So once you read your sentence you will see it's wrong as it would read...

return to you are mosquito net

Or a simpler way if you replace your with my, it would still make sense

so return to my mosquito net would show it's your mosquito net....HTH

Bit touchy about the question i asked ,bob ?

Disagree that it's similar to that, sales are very very slow and have been since day one so I have a lot to base my assumption on. You seem to keep on saying "watch this space" and the marketing "hasn't even started", well we are two weeks away and for me it hasnt really got going like it did last time. It was everywhere.

As I have said I'm hoping to be proved massivley wrong and will be very happy to eat my words come deadline day.

No as I said it was a rhetorical question from you, you knew the answer.

Can someone add some commas ,i can't understand bob's reply..

ARE THEY THE F CHEAPEST IN THE WHOLE OF THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE ?

Footballers really are precious little things at times

Sam makes an interesting point to Craig Hope Sussex, the reason we go to Holland is because the opposition are technically very good at keeping possession. This is than better thrashing Northern League opposition at this stage because the most important thing is fitness.

Sadly I'm not the Marketing Dept, just a part-time PA Announcer. I don't think it's got going like last time either, but should it have to at £7 a game?

No. Now return to your one bus shelter. And I'm not a mosquito net.

Returning to thread topic. Why are Sam Collins and Craig Hope arguing on Twatter when they're both in Holland??

Hiccup!!

It's not £7 a pop is it phil it's £150 and thats a lot to fork out for some.

It's a hell of a lot too after the footy last season was so bad, a lot of people will have been put off.

Good point pj. you did have very little possession at home last season.
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Agreed it's still a lot of money to some.

People have had plenty of time to save up though. I'm hoping there's another rush in the next couple of weeks with payday on the horizon.

No I know that, I agree with you that at that price you would expect them to shift. All I am saying is you are saying I am jumping to conclusions too early when in fact, two weeks before the deadline is hardly jumping the gun, it's an opinion that has formed over time based upon the sales so far and how I project they will go. I anticipate a rush at the end, as this is human nature to leave till the last minute, I just don't forsee that rush being anything like 1000 in two weeks, I see it being more like 500 or 600 in two weeks.

At least our home wasn't re-possessed..............

can someone copy and paste this twitter condo between collins and hope?

Theres nolthing here we didnt already know about Hope.

It was hardly a spat either.

Craig Hope is absolutely fine for me. He has a job to do at the Mail, I doubt reporting on Hartlepool United is his dream job but he is making a decent fist at doing it. Has the Hartlepool Mail ever had a Chief Pools writer that everyone is happy with? Sam Lee is a Poolie through and through and even she got grief on Pools message boards.

Hope even says early on;

'A tad harsh a critique given the mid-July happening of such a lacklustre display?

Perhaps, but it wasn’t great'

I wonder if Collins said similar to Cooper when they got their dressing down after?

I think the parts that would have pissed off Collins were the bit about the young keepers appearance being a 'cause for concern' a fucking ridiculous comment in a pre season friendly when both of our other keepers are injured. It's not as if the situation is the same come the competitive fixtures or even the more high profile friendlies something won't be done. To write that about a 16 year keeper is a ridiculously negative slant on his first team debut. I bet it wasn't a cause for concern for lads family it's probably the best game he's been involved in, in his life!

Also the bit about Franks being poor.

Two debutantes singled out in Collins eyes after the first pre season friendly a week after they returned to training.

I've had to turn off Pools World before when Hope has been on. I don't know the lad personally he's probably sound but that's how I've felt listening to the bloke.

This is the problem with Twitter though, Collins has reacted and a few things like the 'people who've not played at this level' make him look like a bit of an arse. He'd have been better served have a quiet more private word.

bollocks to that PJ, more public spats are required, spices things up nicely and passes the time a little.

Yerrrsss...but why are they having a hissy fit on Twitter when they're both in the same place??

I know UK journalism is now dependent on Twitter, the BBC does little else, but do they think no-one else knows that??

But by what Collins said on Twitter it's clear that is one of the issues that has got his back up.

Which is why it would have been better for Sam to actually speak to Craig Hope rather than go public on a social networking site, then face to face I'm sure Mr Hope could have pointed that out. I still think it was a poor thing to say about his very presence being a cause for concern. If Rafferty is out for a while us getting in a loan keeper is no brainer and doesn't need saying in that context.

Christ, what Craig Hope says and singles out about Pools players is a drop in the ocean to what gets said about them on here, which is also a public forum. I hate the whooshing of thumbs up journalism and dont mind a bit of controversial comment in the press. If someone doesnt play well, then whats he supposed to say?

Sam Collins will be comparing people to choc ices next!

I may be imagining this but i always seem to remember a good pre season = shit season and vice versa but thats probabaly bollocks.

Cooper's interview sounded far from upset, he called it a training exercise that was all about fitness. We were playing half decent opposition a week into pre season. The game was absolutely irrelevant. He said that it was no surprise that the opposition were sharper given how hard our players have been worked physically in the last week. Most league clubs haven't even played yet. To read anything into the game is futile.

Who spent 'a month on the piss' by the way? I think the only player they weren't happy about the condition he returned from pre season in is currently sat at home. They all had a fitness schedule to keep to over the summer.

I don't think Collins should have did what he did but also think he has a point about the tone of the match report. In fairness Collins said that criticism is part and parcel of the game but not after 45 minutes of the first pre season friendly. Nobody is suggesting they are beyond criticism, some appear to by trying to twist it that way.

The point is Hope is employed by the Mail not HUFC, he has to try and give readers/fans an honest match report if he can. All the fans know that this is pre season and more to the point so does Collins and although I respect him for defending his team mates and as Captain that is part of his job. But as others have said is a social network site the right place for it. Why not contact Hope have face to face and if necessary put the discussion/interview in the mail/on official site to show each other's views.

Would a 16 year old have been in goal for the first game of the season if both Flinders and Rafferty were injured I would think not as dispensation would have been asked for to bring in a keeper on loan. It's given a 16 year old a little match experience and there's nothing wrong with it, as others say Hope didn't exactly slate him did he.

Would Cooper have acted in the same way if they had played the way the report(s) read if it was first game of the season and the players tired, I don't think so and you can be sure Cooper would have called it as it was. Would Collins have been on twitter the next day then once more I don't think so, he may have asked for a meeting with Cooper to discuss things as a manager and captain should. So thats what he should have done with Hope.

We played 2 games in successive days(if my memory right) in 2002/03 winning both 12-0, now as much as that gives the forwards confidence as they're scoring (Maybe not,Easter managed 6 in one of the games) it's not really a work-out. Mind you we did go on to win promotion so perhaps thats the answer.

Chip.

Which Pools players use twitter to boast about partying lifestyles?

Who has been on the piss for a month?

we all know where this is going

Last season the general condition and fitness of most of our players was poor throughout. I'm not sure when the players returned to training but hope some of them have used their June off wisely to build strength and get fit.

As for season tickets - how many have been sold...?

Why the fuck would we need "dispensation" to bring a keeper in on loan for the first game of the season?

oh come on Mark, your twisting things there.

Collins complained about Hopes report. The only person 'partying' and talking about it on twitter was Howard and Hopes report doesn't slag Howard off at all, neither does Howard complain about Hopes report.


As for Collins airing his grievances on a public forum, I like it. all this bullshit about not being able to speak their mind because they are a pro footballer is ridiculous.

Can you imagine people trying to tell Brian Clough not to say exactly what he thinks?

Seems like an honest match report I'm not sure what the issue is with Sam

Hopefully well be a bit sharper against the mackems. Too many of the fukas at work saying it will be a walk in the park etc for them. I'm in for £50 with 2 goals start. Regretted bet as i walked away like but fingers crossed

Everyone keeps saying that our players were unfit last season but apart from Solano and Luscombe who didnt really feature under Cooper who are these players? I dont remember us suddenly conceding loads of goals in the last 10 minutes at home if anything conceding early goals was the problem.