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returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:11 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

Cheating Indians now there's a turn up for the books...

Quote:

UMPIRE REVIEWEng 250-3 (lead of 183)
Flicked down to Sreesanth at fine leg by Bell to move to 137. Almost no energy in the field at all from India; Morgan pushes to leg and Kumar makes a right old mess of the fielding on the rope. He half-stops it and then gives it up as if it went for four - but it didn't. Bell and Morgan were walking back to the pavilion - the ball finally comes back in, the bails are taken off almost by stealth, and with the England pair almost at the pavilion steps the Indian team are appealing for the most remarkable run-out you will ever see...

Hope Prior put another ton on them followed by Broady.. and I thought cricket was a game for gentlemen

sorry offshore, you're talking bollox. they did nothing wrong whatsoever, and it is to their credit that dhoni has withdrawn the appeal.

there was no cheating at all, and your opening line is verging on racism. give your head a shake.

loan_star · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:19 pm

The Indians werent cheating, and the fact they withdrew the appeal shows that they were being sporting as well. However offshores comment wasnt racist at all! In fact trying to make something seem racist that isnt, is almost as bad as being racist.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:20 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

Cheating Indians now there's a turn up for the books...

not racist ? right-o banghead

loan_star · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:21 pm

Mind you it would have helped matters if they had annnounced over the tannoy that the appeal had been withdrawn, thus saving the Indians from some unfair booing.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:21 pm

loan_star wrote:

The Indians werent cheating, and the fact they withdrew the appeal shows that they were being sporting as well. However offshores comment wasnt racist at all! In fact trying to make something seem racist that isnt, is almost as bad as being racist.

in the spirit of uncovered...fuck off back to your own board

loan_star · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:23 pm

Nah I'll stay here for a bit just to annoy you :wink:

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:28 pm

not annoying me chore, just amazed at your ignorance about the term "racism"

loan_star · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:33 pm

All down to opinion isnt it, just because he uses the word Indians doesnt make it racist. They are Indians and he thought they had cheated, he was wrong on the cheating part but they ARE Indians!

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

He must be on a wind up i think.

loan_star · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:43 pm

Perhaps if offshore implied that they were cheating because they were Indians or because of the colour of their skin then that would be racist. Too much gets read into innocent comments these days.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:45 pm

"Cheating Indians now there's a turn up for the books..."

that is a racist comment, as its expressing mock suprise at the Indians would cheat. The inference is that Indians cheat as a given, hence the ironic suprise.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:47 pm

MadJohn wrote:

Very odd passage of play. It seems very clear that the Indian team thought the ball had gone for four. Kumar had stopped, Dhoni had wandered away from the stumps, a number were starting to walk off. The only one who seemed even slightly unsure was Eoin Morgan. He held his hand up to Bell to warn him to wait and then he turned to check something with Asad Rauf. Then even he relaxed and Bell continued walking, took Morgan's congratulations on the session before preparing to walk off. I'm convinced that Rauf must have said something to Morgan that reassured him that the ball was dead. India then made a half-arsed retrieval of the ball and knocked the bails off as an afterthought. Even though technically correct that would have been a very uncomfortable dismissal for me.

Outstanding piece of sportsmanship from MS, especially given the state of the match and the series, and also the fact that it was such a key wicket. It would have soured the relationship between the sides but he would have been entitled to stick to his guns. He has made a decision that will be unpopular with some, and I imagine it was tough for such a competitive character to make a call that was so much against his team's best interests. Excellent stuff from him.

Cheating Indians would indeed have been a turn up for the books, and I say that with none of the original poster's sarcasm.

spot on john

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:51 pm

its not my fault if you don't understand why it was out of order

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:52 pm

MadJohn wrote:

Very odd passage of play. It seems very clear that the Indian team thought the ball had gone for four. Kumar had stopped, Dhoni had wandered away from the stumps, a number were starting to walk off. The only one who seemed even slightly unsure was Eoin Morgan. He held his hand up to Bell to warn him to wait and then he turned to check something with Asad Rauf. Then even he relaxed and Bell continued walking, took Morgan's congratulations on the session before preparing to walk off. I'm convinced that Rauf must have said something to Morgan that reassured him that the ball was dead. India then made a half-arsed retrieval of the ball and knocked the bails off as an afterthought. Even though technically correct that would have been a very uncomfortable dismissal for me.

Outstanding piece of sportsmanship from MS, especially given the state of the match and the series, and also the fact that it was such a key wicket. It would have soured the relationship between the sides but he would have been entitled to stick to his guns. He has made a decision that will be unpopular with some, and I imagine it was tough for such a competitive character to make a call that was so much against his team's best interests. Excellent stuff from him.

Cheating Indians would indeed have been a turn up for the books, and I say that with none of the original poster's sarcasm.

Agree with Mr Mad and well done to the Indian captain / management for the correct outcome.

I would've been extremely annoyed had they maintained the "out" decision though, letter of the law or not.

Lord_of_Stranton · **Joined:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:48 pm **Posts:** 1852

I completely agree with MadJohn, and apparently the umpire called 'over', so it would have been the wrong call to enforce the wicket IMO. Huge credit to Dhoni to prevent a fantastic series so far being remembered for contreversy ahead of some fantastic cricket

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

I'll be astonished if there is no more controversy in this series. But then again chances are it will be the BCCI's own fault for not agreeing to having the DRS in place. Harbhajan Singh, for example, who was the second wicket in Broad's hattrick, should not have been given out.

ozblue · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:49 am

now now offshore dont be upsetting the p.c brigade it just wont do.
remember when your home you cant go saying to people do you fancy going for an indian or a chinkys as that would be extremely raciast old boy.....

ozblue · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:21 am

i wouldnt imagine an australian getting upset being called an aussie the same way i dont get upset or think its raciast being called a pommie bastrd and id say that happens every day lol.
i remember when we first got over here the ozzys were playing pakistan who had been caught ball tampering the main headlines in the press were pakis at it again,no one over here saw a problem with that and thats why i love living here......
living the dream :coool:

parmo · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:01 pm

people looking into words on a screen and seeing things that aren't even there, is my opinion of this thread
There are times it is there, and times when it isn't. This time it isn't, but it seems there are people who would like it to be?

The Fat Man · **Joined:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:03 pm **Posts:** 2107

offshorepoolie wrote:

Look I'm still lost how I'm a racism has been brought into this.. The team (India) have previous for cheating . We where playing them (The Indians) .

The reason why you've been accused of racism has nothing to do with the use of the phrase 'cheating Indians', but rather the tag at the end that implied this as a national stereotype (or at least could be interpreted as such). Had you made it clear, like above, that you thought this merely a team attribute, then that's not a problem. It did, however, take you quite a few posts to make this claim.

loan_star · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:28 pm

Offshore didnt say the Indian nation were cheating again, he was just refering to the Indian team cheating again, which they have done in the past, just like Atherton did a few years back. He was far from being racist but the PC brigade jump on anything these days!!

Spender · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:28 pm

Fascinating piece of cricket though, and I have a question or two arising from it. Is there an umpire signal for 'over,' so that the outfield players can know, and as an incidental, how do you make a declaration if the captain isn't on the field??

Lastly, is there such a word as 'twattist??'
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Spiff · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:42 pm

Spender wrote:

Fascinating piece of cricket though, and I have a question or two arising from it. Is there an umpire signal for 'over,' so that the outfield players can know, and as an incidental, how do you make a declaration if the captain isn't on the field??
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1) There isn't a signal, the umpire calls "Over" but should not do so until the ball is dead. As a result of that, the call of "Over" would mean no more "action" could take place. We must assume that over was not called before the bails were removed.

2) An appeal must be made before a) the ball next comes into play and b) before a call of time. Since this was the last ball before a scheduled interval, Asad Rauf would not just have called "Over" it should have been "Over and Time". We must therefore assume that the call wasn't made prior to the appeal by the Indian team.

As for declarations, the laws just require that the batting captain make clear his intentions to declare the innings by notifying both umpires & the opposing captain at any time when the ball is dead. The laws also provide that the batsmen at the crease may act on behalf of the batting captain where circumstances dictate (such as when they used to accept offers of bad light etc)

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22678

Oh FFS, drama queens are out in force today. How difficult is this? The Indian team has a track record of cheating, they've been caught out several times in the past. Furthermore, India is the world centre of match fixing and bribery.

Thats what OSP meant, he didn't say 'You can't trust these Paki's' or anything like it. It was not racism but don't let that stop you.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22678

That wasn't aimed at you John but as you know, he has been directly accused of racism on this thread and the point being that someone did claim to know he was being racist.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:16 pm

ozblue wrote:

now now offshore dont be upsetting the p.c brigade it just wont do.
remember when your home you cant go saying to people do you fancy going for an indian or a chinkys as that would be extremely raciast old boy.....

loan_star wrote:

Offshore didnt say the Indian nation were cheating again, he was just refering to the Indian team cheating again, which they have done in the past, just like Atherton did a few years back. He was far from being racist but the PC brigade jump on anything these days!!

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

That wasn't aimed at you John but as you know, he has been directly accused of racism on this thread and the point being that someone did claim to know he was being racist.

Just to put this to bed; i am about as far from the so-called "PC brigade" as you could possibly get. I abhor people actively looking for an excuse to brand people with any label. However you look at it Offshore's comment at the start off the thread was a race-based slight on the Indian team. All the prevarication and teeth-gnashing doesn't change that fact. I wasn't seeing things that weren't there, neither was i actively looking for a stick to beat him with. If what was typed wasn't what was meant, then that's not my problem.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:41 pm

foo_kintit wrote:

Surely saying Indian and Pakistani cricket teams are prone to outside influences is not being racist,just a fact of life seemingly moreso Pakistan.May not have been put across properly,but for someone not wanting to pigeon-hole people you were straight in there.

what difference would it make if i'd waited ten minutes ? my post was quick because first off it was a daft overreaction to India taking advantage of Bell's anxiety to get off for tea.

just read your reply offshore, and i'm not sure what difference it makes

you seem fixated on the fact that i posted after the appeal was rescinded. i didn't actually. I started posting before bell came back out after tea. I pointed out that calling the indian team cheats because bell had been daft enough to get himself run out was ridiculous because they did nothing wrong. i then posted that it was an even dafter assertion that they were cheats, as dhoni had done the sporting thing by then. the timing of my post is irrelevant to your initial assertion that the indians had cheated.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22678

I blame the wogs.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22678

Here you go, Mr OSP on tape...........

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:39 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Oh FFS, drama queens are out in force today. How difficult is this? The Indian team has a track record of cheating, they've been caught out several times in the past. Furthermore, India is the world centre of match fixing and bribery.

Thats what OSP meant, he didn't say 'You can't trust these Paki's' or anything like it. It was not racism but don't let that stop you.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Cant this thread just be locked, its an absolute embarrasment the way some of you are going on.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

MadJohn wrote:

offshorepoolie wrote:

The Indian team has been known to cheat on previous occasions and that was the reason for my "mock" surprise.

That's the bit that puzzled me. This Indian team are not known for cheating. .

Yes they are.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:06 pm

no they're not. what happened wasn't cheating in any way shape or form. if offshore says it was said in the heat of the moment then that's fine. doesnt make it alright but at least he's explained it.

some of the haste shown by other posters to jump all over me for picking him up about it is shite tho rage

i have very few principles :wink:

but any form of casual racism is just shit.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:27 am

This is probably the most pathetic Thread I've ever read on the whole Internet!!!! :roll:

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

offshorepoolie wrote:

Well I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...

oh starting on the spanish now are we :wink:

TropicalPoolie · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:19 am

I have learnt my lesson when it comes to you Brits and racisim...I keep my mouth shut as I have been banned from both thebox.bz and RAWK (a Liverpool forum/ticket exchange site) for making innocent remarks that some jobsworth mod deemed worthy of a lifetime ban confised

I just got my isp to change my ip address so I still use those sites I just tend to say nowt that anyone could take the wrong way.
And for any Aussies who may be reading this...never EVER mention a certain brand of cheese on any English forum as it may well result in a ban!!

ozblue · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:38 am

i always have it on me burger...takes a bit to melt tho must be used to the hot tempreture.. :wink:

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:40 am

no6bus wrote:

offshorepoolie wrote:

Well I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...

oh starting on the spanish now are we :wink:

There is not a dagos by without some form of racism, even if the board was spick an span, some people would be poles apartide say :wink:

ozblue · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:42 am

monkeybutt wrote:

no6bus wrote:

offshorepoolie wrote:

Well I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...

oh starting on the spanish now are we :wink:

There is not a dagos by without some form of racism, even if the board was spick an span, some people would be poles apartide say :wink:

id agree nothings black and white in life....

Arabian Monkey Hanger · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:49 pm

It can sometimes be a Gray area

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