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 Post subject: HT Subs
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:35 am 
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Left late and before anyone says they were made straight from the kick off of the 2nd half let me explain.

Pools subs kicking about/warming up during half time, with only minute or two to teams coming back out, kit man instructs McSweeney and Brown to go to dressing room. Now there didn't seem long enough for any game instructions to be given to the players coming on, due to the lateness of them going to the dressing room. Normally you can tell if there's to be a sub straight away as the player coming on isn't kicking about.

Now we all love a conspiracy theory so ...................Was there some sort of bust up at HT which caused the changes to be made at the time they were.

And to save another thread report reads poor all round, sloppy defending resulting in goals being conceded, only good thing all day was 3 of us picked a result and put a treble on (Bournemouth 11/8, Stockport 10/3 and Leicester 1/1) so we got that up.

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 Post subject: Re: HT Subs
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:51 am 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
1) not unusual for subs to warm up before coming on
2)better than coming straight on after sitting on your arse for 10 minutes
3)wadsworth seems to be prioritising games now they are coming thick and fast, which is why he radically altered a team that won last week
4)not what people who went all the way down there want to hear, but you knew before you went we wouldnt win i.e. parmos law


Can't disagree with any of them, but to take players off from the kick about only a minute or two before re-start is unusual, Im clutching at straws for the performance I suppose.

And point 3 you make I certainly don't have a problem with. I said the same a couple of weeks ago. Lets get safe. It will be well before the end of the season, as well

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 Post subject: Re: HT Subs
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:31 am 
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with all due respect doesnt that make you sound turner-esque?

We were playing Brighton not Real Madrid. I thought the days of us saying the opposition was too good for us was over.

You may well be right with your theory, but I bloody hope not.

Though the team selection suggests you were :laugh:

All last week I was arguing with those saying Larkin should start, but all along I never knew the reason why. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: HT Subs
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:50 am 
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Mr Creosote wrote:
with all due respect doesnt that make you sound turner-esque?

We were playing Brighton not Real Madrid. I thought the days of us saying the opposition was too good for us was over.

You may well be right with your theory, but I bloody hope not.

Though the team selection suggests you were :laugh:

All last week I was arguing with those saying Larkin should start, but all along I never knew the reason why. :laugh:


I agree with that Mr C, Turner was lambasted last season for the same attitude.

I don't buy the notion that MW had written this one off, as after last weeks "cameo" and subsequent comments in the press I expected Larkin would start (a sad indicment on the rest of the attacking options), and the decision to play Gamble would offer more solidity (you'd think like). If he had truely written this off he wouldn't have started Murray at all.

The fact he took him off at half time was because at 2 down, which by all accounts should have been 5 or 6 he knew we hadn't the ability to get back into it so brought him off.

MW fully expected to get something from the game.

It also suggests a little bit of arrogance that we can get these teams to the Vic and do them over and get the points we need. Dagenham proves this is easier said than done. All teams need to do when they come to the Vic is put men behind the ball soak up the pressure in the knowledge that if you keep Sweens away from the box you will keep a clean sheet and then can sneak one on the break.

It's not quite as easy as some think it might be. Our attack is woeful and the defence when breached can just dissolve as we've seen too many times both home and away, most frustratinly against Exeter, Swindon and Bristol Rovers, games we should have has 9 points from instead of 2.

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 Post subject: Re: HT Subs
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:58 am 
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Can't say I'm in the least bit arsed about yesterday's result as I didn't think we had a chance anyway.

Also there's a world of difference between accepting defeat at the team who are 3 points clear at the top with 2 games in hand and blaming the quality of the league for not being able to beat teams like Gillingham and Wycombe at home like Turner did.

I'm saying we'll get at least a point out of Charlton on Tuesday and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we claim all 3.


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 Post subject: Re: HT Subs
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:11 pm 
Mr Creosote wrote:
with all due respect doesnt that make you sound turner-esque?

We were playing Brighton not Real Madrid. I thought the days of us saying the opposition was too good for us was over.

You may well be right with your theory, but I bloody hope not.

Though the team selection suggests you were :laugh:

All last week I was arguing with those saying Larkin should start, but all along I never knew the reason why. :laugh:


Wadsworth doesn't have that attitude, yesterday he said we were very poor and didn't give ourselves a chance. He never once in the lead up to the game mentioned budgets, or crowds, which was what people lambasted Turner for. Murray can't play Saturday/Tuesday, Tuesday is a more winnable game don't you agree (well it cetainly is now :laugh: )? That's not to say we didn't go to Brighton to get a result.

If Wadsworth was coming out with the same old guff Turner was at every opportunity, he'd deservedly get pelters but he doesn't make excuses he basically admitted we were shite which to me is fair enough.


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Serious question but why isnt Brown fit yet?

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 Post subject: Re: HT Subs
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:21 am 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
whether we like it or not, we have players who cannot manage, for whatever reasons, 90 minutes twice a week. players such as brown, murray, humphreys and boyd. we are also in a situation where for the rest of the season we are playing saturday/tuesday every week.

the team selection yesterday looked for all the world like one set out to try and draw 0-0.

the difference between wadsworth and turner, is that while wadsworth may or may not be seeing some games more winnable than others he never says it publicly.

turner on the other hand would come out in the press with nonsense like " we cant compete with these teams, the players arent good enough for league one, tactics arent important, we need a miracle to stay up etc "

it wouldnt suprise me at all to see a more attacking side named on tuesday with brown and humphreys back in consideration for a starting place in the line up.
Thats what i have said earlier i agree


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