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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:04 am 
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Agree - just posted almost the same above - their players hassling the ref got the penalty - like you - angry that we had a point taken from us


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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:00 am 
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just seen it on iplayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00w78gp/The_Football_League_Show_2010_2011_Episode_16/
match starts at 50:04
when i first seen it i thought the handball must have been later on, the linesman must be 6 yards away at the most, if he feet are outside the box and his hands are infront of him then how can it be a penalty??
on the up side tho, 2 cracking goals from Murray and Horwood


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I just know that someone, somewhere will say 'oh well, I guess these decisions will even themselves out over a season' banghead banghead


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I now hate Colchester almost as much as Brighton for this. Cheating c-unts. I hope their cocks fall off, then their arms, then their legs, then their heads. And the officials. Who is supposed to ref the game in any case? Spineless wank-ers. Were they practising for whn they get to ref Man Utd at Old Trafford?
Football is now officially shit

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The ball has hit Hartley somewhere near the armpit. A little harsh to call that deliberate handball, but you've seen them given. No real complaint with that. But to see that as inside the box is an absolutely staggering call. Mind you, the officials were not helped by the two Colchester players, especially the right winger, who ran over and pointed furiously at the floor inside the box and then ran to the linesman. He will have known exactly what he was doing, but if the officials weren't total incompetents they would not have fallen for it.


Thats fucking shocking. Can you imagine the outcome if that happened in the premiershit. heads would roll.

I hope the ref gets aids from his apparent drug taking and dies.

cheating fookin damned bounders

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Pools need too send this picture to the league and report this referee

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In my opinion the linesman is just at fault if not more. They consulted and somehow he couldnt tell the ref it was nowhere near the box?

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I now hate Colchester almost as much as Brighton for this. Cheating c-unts. I hope their cocks fall off, then their arms, then their legs, then their heads. And the officials. Who is supposed to ref the game in any case? Spineless wank-ers. Were they practising for whn they get to ref Man Utd at Old Trafford?
Football is now officially shit


I can't disagree with any of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:40 pm 
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Referees will always make mistakes so the questions or me are

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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:45 pm 
That is utterly disgusting, it stinks. Consider that happening to Manchester United or Chelsea? Can you imagine the media, imagine the reaction of the managers? Do we think those officials would be refereeing in the Premiership next week?

If any of us displayed that level of incompetence in our everyday jobs we wouldn't expect to keep them, neither should these two officials. If they are anywhere near a football league match next week or for the coming weeks a serious stink needs to be kicked up.

I think we deserve at least an explanation, because when you see something like that corruption does spring to mind. Why should that ref and linesman just be allowed to slink away into the background? Pools and the supporters deserve at least some acknowledgement of the error.


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Foooking shocking especially after we battled so hard to get something out of the game.

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These mistakes happen up and down the country every weekend, it's hard to take, but the only thing the FA (or whomever makes these decisions) can do is demote the referee and his assistances down the leagues for a weekend or two. That way they admit a mistakes was made and they 'punish' the official by giving him a couple of weeks refereeing in the conference or similar.

It's an extremely poor decision, a decision which directly altered the outcome of the game, ok the spot kick still had to be scored, but the goal scorer shouldn't of been given the opportunity. What these people don't realise is livelihoods are at stake, that point we didn't get could be the difference between league one and league two football next season, if the referee was in any doubt he should never have given the spot kick.

But while the rule makers insist on having one human in charge of the game, mistakes will continue to happen.

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Maybe it is selective memory but can anyone remember us ever being awarded such a ridiculous decision. I cant

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:14 pm 
They don't want us here, it's an arse on for them to come up to the frozen tundra of the North East and it eats into their expenses allowance.


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Shocking decision! Mind you, the fact he backed into the box after wont have helped when the ref & the linesman were obviously blind!


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We all make mistakes just ours aren't normally made infront of thousands and in front of tv cameras that can analyse the incident over and over. Referees will always make mistakes so the questions for me are

1. how does the FL/FA deal with officials that make howlers
2. what can be done to stop these mistakes being made in the first instance

Firstly clubs should have the right to report referees and the FL/FA should have a panel that investigates all reports. If the referee is shown to have made a howler an open apology should be made to the club and fans. The officials should be suspended pending training. Those that persistently make howlers should be demoted.

To stop howlers such as this one the authorities ie FIFA need to authorise video technology. It works in rugby for major decisions as well as in cricket and tennis and it should be capable of being applied for major decisions in football. Unless refrees are given the same technology as the armchair fans and the pundits, referees will always be on a hiding to nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:54 pm 
Sponsored by specsavers I think, that is a travesty of justice is that, how can the ref miss that ffs stpid


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What was the mosy annoying on this incident was the ref gave them a free kick exactly where Hartley was. Handball or not, this was one that some give, some don't . Accepted the decision.

It was their players harrassment that sent the ref to the lino - they chatted - and the ref pointed to the spot as he turned back - HE WAS RIGHT FIRST TIME!!
Colcheter players have to hold their hands up (no pun intended) and admit they bullied ref/lino into the wrong decision - can see that happening!!


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monkeybutt wrote:
Sponsored by specsavers I think

dont u mean timlin's optomotrists?


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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
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MadJohn wrote:
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Colcheter players have to hold their hands up (no pun intended) and admit they bullied ref/lino into the wrong decision - can see that happening!!

Comment from a Col U fan below. Vincent was the one who protested most fiercely that it was a penalty.

"I thought it was a free kick, and yes Ashley Vincent is a horrible human being. His attitude is appalling, and his language towards officials is x-rated. Although I'm happy to have 3 points I feel no happiness in the way we achieved them"


Im sure that Ashley Vincent will get a good welcome at the Vic. He's another name to add to our list!

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At the end of the day it's the referees decision, he can't accept a complaint from any player on the pitch, he is the one who has the final say and he is the one who should take the blame.
Still can't believe it. Absolutely scandalous.

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I still don't think it was as bad as the Nelson handball against West Ham....

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Accoring to my friend whose a professional Welsh league referee, the linesman actually stands in line with where the foul took place in order to signal that it took place OUTSIDE the box.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
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What are you complaining about? Why are you complaining?
Do any of you think any notice whatsoever will be taken of your complaints?
Nah it won't.
Do you want to know why?????
Well I'll tell you anyway.
It's because the clubs, aye and we are one of them, just spout a lot of hot air about officials and their week in and week out crap decisions which affect games, jobs, livelihoods etc etc etc etc.
Why don't the clubs do something about it? Why don't players just walk off the pitch? Why don't managers just haul their players off? Why do we constantly put up with it, whilst the FA, FIFA et al just shrug their shoulders and insist, a la Platini, that it is part of the game.
It is because we are frightened of incurring the wrath of the almighty FA. We are frightened of sanctions, of being accused of being frivolous, of being kicked out of the league or any other punishment our complaints will invite.
We either do something about the total out of touch incompetence of officials in general or we shut the fuck up and just get on with it.
What is your choice????????????

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the ONLY REASON the ref gave it, is because he WANTED TO. Who know's what goes on in an officials head, but he is one BENT bar steward.


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After virtually every match these days, whether it is us involved or a simple look at the likes of Match Of The Day the main discussion topic is the referee, his assistants or the fact that modern technology has left the officials behind.
They need help, we are all aware of that ( except mebbe Blatter and Platini ) but help is not forthcoming.
I'm getting fed up of it TBH................I can accept mistakes but blatant incompetence is not on the radar.

I am convinced this is having a major effect on attendances, especially at our level.
What is the point of travelling the distances our geographical position dictates to witness total incompetence.............................or to be more sinister............cheating.

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This wasnt just a mistake though. Everyone makes mistakes. If you watch this incident closely that Ref was determined to give a penalty. There is no way the ref could have been convinced it was even hand ball, but even after making that crass decision it takes an unreal amount of incompetence to then believe that it was then a penalty. I think the ref had a bet on a home win. I am convinced of it.

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Far East betting syndicates know there is money to be made from influencing games at our level - and let's face it, who in the wider world gives a toss about it apart from us on here?

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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:44 pm 
derwent wrote:
Why do we constantly put up with it, whilst the FA, FIFA et al just shrug their shoulders and insist, a la Platini, that it is part of the game.
It is because we are frightened of incurring the wrath of the almighty FA. We are frightened of sanctions, of being accused of being frivolous, of being kicked out of the league or any other punishment our complaints will invite.
We either do something about the total out of touch incompetence of officials in general or we shut the f*** up and just get on with it.
What is your choice????????????


True, no individual club appeal is going to succeed. The only thing that'll work is if fans themselves form some sort of organisation to take the FA on, with backing from the Press. Otherwise it's just another 'divide and rule' situation with FA always winning against individual complaints.

But who has the time to start it off? Don't suppose you have a bit of time to spare, derwent? You'd be very good at it.......


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grabec wrote:
derwent wrote:
Why do we constantly put up with it, whilst the FA, FIFA et al just shrug their shoulders and insist, a la Platini, that it is part of the game.
It is because we are frightened of incurring the wrath of the almighty FA. We are frightened of sanctions, of being accused of being frivolous, of being kicked out of the league or any other punishment our complaints will invite.
We either do something about the total out of touch incompetence of officials in general or we shut the f*** up and just get on with it.
What is your choice????????????


True, no individual club appeal is going to succeed. The only thing that'll work is if fans themselves form some sort of organisation to take the FA on, with backing from the Press. Otherwise it's just another 'divide and rule' situation with FA always winning against individual complaints.

But who has the time to start it off? Don't suppose you have a bit of time to spare, derwent? You'd be very good at it.......

Ha.........thank you for your confidence, Grabec..............but I'm afraid my patience wouldn't stretch to it.
Seriously though.........the only people who can influence any changes are the member clubs.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost for words after that pathetic penalty decision
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Heard Wadsworth on the radio tonight talking about the incident. That bloke always impresses me, one of the good people in football....even if he is with you lot :wink:
Quite a few managers, especially in the premiershite, could take a few tips off Wadsworth when it comes to how to deal with incidents that go against your side.


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