Did the Police discharging their Tazers at Moat ensure he blew his head off? If so why did they waste six hours overtime doing so..

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maybe because the school holidays are fast approaching so the extra money would come in handy for them

Apparently tasers can induce involuntary muscle spasms..that's the story anyway.

...and with him sitting in the lotus position with the barrel[s] of a firearm gently nestling under his chin, what harm could a jolt from a weapon intended to fiddle about with your bodies ability to control its muscles possibly have?

IPCC are in for a busy few days.

Ffs, he killed his ex's boyfriend, put his ex in intensive care, (if he'd stopped there and handed himself in he might, just might have got a very miniscule amount of sympathy for being "pushed over the edge as he claimed".
But then he shot a Policeman sat unarmed in his car.
They should have put a bullet through him anyway. There's no way they should waste more money on an inquest as to why this coward died. So what if they used their tasers, They should have used effin Kalashnikovs and blew him all over Northumberland.
And before anyone asks.........No i'm not a copper, nor do i like them very much. How anyone can feel sympathy for this excuse for a human being is beyond belief.

Well the police aren't covering themselves with roses the way they carried on. Fair enough the guy had committed murder but I'd hazard a guess that there are several more horrible bastads languishing in the penal system for this most heinous of crimes.

Yes, he acted like coward when he shot unarmed people but no more than the cowardly coppers who crept up on someone with a gun aimed at no one apart from himself and then zapped him causing him to blow his own head off.

He was armed with a sawn off and I'm sure he was warned that if he moved he was a dead man. They could've pulled back and left him there until he done it of his own volition r surrendered.

The key point is that if they were going to put him down they should've done as soon as they knew for definite it was Moat instead of wasting 6 hours trying to talk him out of it.. or did they want to draw it out for the cameras??

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[quote="Pierrepoint"]Well the police aren't covering themselves with roses the way they carried on. Fair enough the guy had committed murder but I'd hazard a guess that there are several more horrible bastads languishing in the penal system for this most heinous of crimes.

Yes, he acted like coward when he shot unarmed people but no more than the cowardly coppers who crept up on someone with a gun aimed at no one apart from himself and then zapped him causing him to blow his own head off.

He was armed with a sawn off and I'm sure he was warned that if he moved he was a dead man. They could've pulled back and left him there until he done it of his own volition r surrendered.

The key point is that if they were going to put him down they should've done as soon as they knew for definite it was Moat instead of wasting 6 hours trying to talk him out of it.. or did they want to draw it out for the cameras??

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Please be aware that i do not in any way like coppers but you're last 4 letters sum the rest of your drivel up.
They shouldn't have sneaked up on him they should have just stormed him with all guns blazing giving him no chance, just like when he shot his 3 victims.

Did you actually read what I wrote?

That's right don't let facts get in the way of a reasoned argument.. The death penalty has been abolished in this country for years.. or haven't you heard..

I'm sure he was a very nice chap really, dont let the fact that he had just got out of prison for assault which must not have been his first offence seeing how he got a decent sentence for it or that he killed a man and seriously wounded 2 others cloud your judgement and that the coppers where to blame for his death

Personally I think he was a c u n t (I've said that as well) the fa ct is that Northumbria Police fooked up big style here..

And like I said I can think of many more people who deserve the same fate ...

but like I said earlier don't let the facts get in the way of your Daily Mail reader views..

Yes i read exactly what you wrote.

Statement 1 "The police didn't cover themselves with roses the way theycarried on"
Answer. Did any other "innocent" people die?

Statement 2. "Yes, he acted like coward when he shot unarmed people but no more than the cowardly coppers who crept up on someone with a gun aimed at no one apart from himself and then zapped him causing him to blow his own head off"
Answer. Well done to the police on this occasion.

Statement 3. "He was armed with a sawn off and I'm sure he was warned that if he moved he was a dead man. They could've pulled back and left him there until he done it of his own volition r surrendered. "
Answer. He was armed with a sawn off. That's illegal. And he'd also used it on 3 previous occasions. Well done to the police again.

Statement 4. " The key point is that if they were going to put him down they should've done as soon as they knew for definite it was Moat instead of wasting 6 hours trying to talk him out of it.. or did they want to draw it out for the cameras??"
Answer. I think the reason it lasted as long as it did was because of the cameras. Should have shot him as soon as they saw him.

And as for statement 5. "A:C:A:B:"
How fookin old are ya?

Just for the record i don't or never have bought the Daily Mail or any other tabloid shyte.

Basically, the job of the Police is to track down and arrest criminals/suspects. The criminals are then tried and all the rest of it.

I would be interested in hearing your reaction if the judicial system were disbanded and the Police just went around shooting anyone they fancied. I mean, one of these days, it could be you.......

Honestly how many shots do you think he'd of got off from his sawn off before he was decked ( I reckon it wouldn't of been many more than one... )

The coppers where (IMHO) out of order they could've waited till he done it himself or surrendered.

They have given the press and the public a reason for all this to carry on for a long time to come.

i do think the whole saga has been handled badly, particularly all those armed police walking around the streets and countryside of Rothbury for the past 7 days

But lets not forget he was armed, had already murdered one and attempted to murder 2 others and had openly admitted that he wanted to kill more coppers so i'm not sure just leaving him alone to kill himself when he was ready was the right option.

Whatever happened and how, would have been criticised by some (bit like pools really) and i'm just pleased that he won't be wasting any tax payers money in jail over the next 30 years.

Could i just point out that the man wasn't a suspect, he's admitted every offence in writing. Would you feel the same if your son, daughter or any other relation had been harmed by this moron?

but they never shot him and they never would have, its not America. In my opinion he was always going to top himself, why else would he have had a gun to his own head, he didnt want to go back to prison.

Has it been stated that he was shot by a taser and that caused him to shoot himself ? They must have been very close to do that

Anyway he has robbed 2 children of there dad and the 2 others he has shot will never be the same again so maybe a bit of justice has been done

Just as they did with Jean Charles de Menezes, bit too wild west for me.

Whats that shooting got to do with the Police?

Mr Point, your second post on this thread is quite possibly the biggest crock of shit I have ever read on this message board, and as this is The Bunker, that's quite a fookin statement.

I was replying to Mumtaz's point that 'they should have shot him'.

To reply to Mumtaz's other point, the laws of a country have to apply across the board, don't they? You can't have a law that says the police should arrest suspects except when they feel like shooting them.

Whats that shooting got to do with the Police?[/quote]

I do apologise, as i was under the impression it was an armed officer who put at least three shots from close range into the head of an unarmed man. Think there was a hint when it was reported that voices were heard shouting "armed police".

Think you'll find that they weren't actually coppers, they were SRR (Army)

'He was killed by the Metropolitan Police Service but, in a very profound way,
according to the Daily Mail

C12, a member of Scotland Yard's elite CO19 fireams unit, was the first of two officers to open fire,
reported The Telegraph


In a conference room at Oval cricket ground yesterday, the firearms officer, who has served 25 years in the police, The Guardian.

The policemen who shot Jean Charles de Menezes, reads Times online,

Electrician Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead on 22 July, 2005, by police who mistook him...BBC

again i apologise, but i'm sure you can see how easily it is for one to get confused, if the big boys get it wrong what hope is there for a simpleton such as i.

The key point has still not been answered and as yet why did the police deploy the tasers?

To put another way for all you too stupid to understand If they hadn't deployed the tasers I wouldn't be asking the question.

By deploying the tasers they may have contributed to his death and ensured an unsatisfactory end to this horrible saga.

It is not the police's mandate to protect life whoever it is?



They had him cornered and in a position where he was a threat to no one except himself. If he'd had blown his own head off without any antagonism I'd be happy as the rest of you but he didn't ..

Thats why we have to ask the question.



FFS This is the UK not the Wild West..

Let's stop the yapping


He was armed and dangerous


He killed one person, shot two others and had a list as long as my tadger of others he wanted to plug


I'm not sad he's dead, more worthy people have died in noble causes them him

Like I said,

(a) He wasn't a suspect, he'd admitted his guilt in more than one handwritten letter.
(b) The police didn't shoot him, even though I think they should have.

Mistakes may have been made but that's probably inevitable as thankfully they don't get much practice at things like this.

Concurring fully.. and thank God we don't..
(BTW one of the biggest mistakes was the warning the police ignored from the prison service that they were letting out a potentially dangerous man!)

Whats A:C:A:B mean?

Disagree, i was very satisfied with the ending to this saga.

Yeah, I heard that last week. They were told when he was being released that he was threatening to harm his ex girlfriend but didn't act on it.
Two lives and two serious injuries later.

HTH....

All police officers are born without fathers

All Cops Are Bastards

I was trying to be diplomatic.

i had to google it

Don't know if some are being a bit presumptious here. Apologies if I have missed it in the press but has anybody actually said that they fired the taser then the gun went off?
It would make more sense that he fired the gun and still had hold of it, posing a risk to everyone there and then they fired the tasers in an attempt to get him to release the gun.
This would make sense with the reports of officers shouting drop the gun

Or

somebody might have lost it under the pressure, but I for one wouldn't like to be in that situation - training or not and I would hope that people would be a little more understanding before wanting to rush in and criticise

Most shotguns only have two barrels and require re-loading, unless you have a automatic in which case it will be three.

My mate summed it up in the pub when it happened "how long would have that lasted in America as he killed a policeman?, it would have went put your gun down! put your gun down! put your gun down! Last chance BANG!"

The tasers were deployed (not by a Northumbria officer may i add) as he had become gradually more aggressive and threatened to kill himself but take a copper with him first and given they were almost within touching distance this was a real threat. The tasers are designed to incapacitate so they could then arrest him without shots being fired. For whatever reason, maybe because he was a known steroid abuser, they didn't work as they should. He then blew his head off. Whether this was due to muscle spasm or his own actions we're unlikely to ever know but either way he was the main contributer to the outcome, period.

No further questions M'lud.

We all know the police didn't shoot him, Mumtaz. And everyone is a suspect until they're tried.
My point is that whatever any of us feel about wanting to shoot Moat, it can't be the basis for how a country runs its police force. The way the law operates has to be independent of personal decision making or you're bound to get prejudice and bias all the time.
For illustration, as Compo has pointed out, that's how they do things in America.

whats black and over worked?












Raoul Moat's Biro.

They wouldn't have asked him more than once

How should this particular incident be run then?


Once again the criminal becomes the victim, already people are posting messages and leaving them at the scene saying what a 'hero' he was

Sigh. I've no idea how the incident should have been run, Talbot. Probably it couldn't have been run any better than it was, by anyone.

As I've explained already, I was replying to the view that if someone has done a terrible thing, he 'deserves' to be shot, rather than put through the legal process.

The 'Raoul Moat - Legend' group on Facebook has incredily got 15'000 pathetic, sick, attention seeking, individuals associated with it.

Very sad. When are the other 35,000 Newcastle fans signing up?