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 Post subject: Contact the Liar that is Tony Blair
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:35 pm 
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Let the smug git know exactly how you feel about the closure of the Hospital and the use of the promise of keeping it open to ensure election of a 5' puppet


http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page821.asp

email him at the above


Incidentally I am able to write this on match day as I am working night shifts in public services, are we next TWAT

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Just done that my man I have played every card I could think off ranging from disgruntled voter to the green one, traffic and travel etc to stating that I would never vote for his party again. My wife is greatly affected by this as she is a nurse in the hospital These people should hang their head in shame. False promises to enable their candidate to be elected so it seems to me. Or am I being just a tad cynical


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:59 pm 
Let's just hope that it's the end of Ian'smugasfuck'Wright's political career!!!! :evil: :evil:

He knew exactly what was going to happen and his 'resignation' was just a stunt!!!! :evil: :evil:

Let's boot New Labour out of Hartlepool!!!! :sweet: :evil: :evil:

This always makes me laugh....and cry....

'Education....Education....Education'!!!! :evil:

'Crime and the causes of crime'!!!! :evil:

Do you realise that since Labour came to power that over 2000 new laws have come in!?!? :evil:

And what about all the 'Stealth Taxes'!?!? :evil: :evil:

We now live in a Police State!!!! :evil:

More right wing than Herr Hitler!!!! :evil: rage :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:06 pm 
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Mr Wright is now saying he was disappointed but has done all he can. :roll: NO HE HASN'T ...what about resiging and calling a by election. DOES HE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF HARTLEPOOL OR THE LABOUR PARTY'S INTERESTS....?

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Snowy wrote:
Mr Wright is now saying he was disappointed but has done all he can. :roll: NO HE HASN'T ...what about resiging and calling a by election. DOES HE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF HARTLEPOOL OR THE LABOUR PARTY'S INTERESTS....?


Do you really need an answer to that ?


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Mr I wrote:
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Mr Wright is now saying he was disappointed but has done all he can. :roll: NO HE HASN'T ...what about resiging and calling a by election. DOES HE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF HARTLEPOOL OR THE LABOUR PARTY'S INTERESTS....?


Do you really need an answer to that ?
..of course not...but if he did call a by election, that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons in the most high profile way ....... :wink:

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If he gave a sit he could have resigned the whip and instantly become an independent. He won't of course because like all but a very few he is in parliament to further the aims of himself. Hartlepool is simply a reliable vehicle for Labour politicians because the populous will always vote labour irrespective of any thought process.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:29 pm 
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because the populous will always vote labour irrespective of any thought process.


Let's hope this Hospital saga will change people's view!!!! confised :evil: confised


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If it doesn't, they'll desrve all they get...sadly it will also affect others :evil:

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I've just had a quick read of his parliamentary speeches. Arse licking in the extreme and this in an environment where arse licking is the norm. His Mail column too is full of how happy he is to support this and that, I don't see many initiatives generated from his office.

I think the unfortunate fact is that Hartlepool has an MP who is only too happy to toe the party line.

MadJohn is right, he has no chance at the next election if he retains his position as a Labour MP. He has a 2000 odd majority which is marginal by Hartlepool standards. Add to that the almost certain backlash to Labour's arrogance I think we may well see a Liberal Mp for the first time in a century. Wright's only chance of clinging onto power is to resign.


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Mr I wrote:
I've just had a quick read of his parliamentary speeches. Arse licking in the extreme and this in an environment where arse licking is the norm. His Mail column too is full of how happy he is to support this and that, I don't see many initiatives generated from his office.

I think the unfortunate fact is that Hartlepool has an MP who is only too happy to toe the party line.

MadJohn is right, he has no chance at the next election if he retains his position as a Labour MP. He has a 2000 odd majority which is marginal by Hartlepool standards. Add to that the almost certain backlash to Labour's arrogance I think we may well see a Liberal Mp for the first time in a century. Wright's only chance of clinging onto power is to resign.


I thought he had closer to a 8 or 9 thousend majority, i'm sure the 2 thousend was just in the by election when Mandelson got his other job, the actual general election one year later saw Wright win much more convicingly I think.......


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I stand corrected:

Iain Wright (Labour): 18251 votes (-7.6%).
Jody Dunn (Liberal Democrat): 10773 votes (+15.4%).


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When Mandelson resigned, he only had a 2,000 majority at the resulting by-election. I guess they hope we'll all have forgotten about the hospital closure by then, or they'll promise us they're considering relocating Harley Street to Scarborough Street :roll:

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Labia government =
Gyppo - sorted
Thief - sorted
Smackhead - sorted
rogue - sorted
lazy fat bastad - sorted
dole scrounger - sorted
immigrant - sorted
illegal immegrant - sorted (with family)
radical religeuos type who spouts of about death to the white christian type - sorted
teenage single parent with smackhead unemployed father - sorted

Education - shambolic
Health - Fckd
working man - rolfl
The future?
Sorted?

This town is the fuckn pits, the country has gone to the dogs,
is there any hope for the average and not so average and above average decent family valiantly clinging on to hopes of bringing upp their children in this 'green and pleasant land'?

Dunno but I for one will stand shoulder to fkn shoulder with the first man that has the same hope.

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I've voted Labour all my life and could never vote Tory. The Lib dems will adopt any policy to increase their popularity. I hope Hartlepool doesn;t elect a Labour MP at the next election after this hospital fiasco. Politcians by nature are liars. I thought Dari Taylor (Stockton MP) spoke well on the telly when she said why can't the £200million cost of the new hospitalbe spent NOW on cancer services and other priorty health needs. The world has gone mad, get rid of the politicians and let the people rule the country. We were LIED to be the prime minister of this country, a man who is prepared to let young lads go to Iraq and die for an American war rather than look after his own. Save Hartlepool's hospital. Whoever makes that their election pledge gets my vote clappp clappp clappp

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What's the odds the new hospital will be a Private Finance Initiative hospital ...as you say, wouldn't the constuction and interest costs be better spent improving the two hospitals now...?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:13 am 
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How can anyone admit to voting labour all of their lives?

Sorry like...................but its just stupid.

Only people, who act like sheep, are so politically minded to blindly follow their political party.

Dont you make informed choices at the time?

You vote labour all of your life...............why? Cos your parents did, and your grandparents did?

It just doesnt make sense.

But it does show you why Hartlepool has always been labour.

No wonder Hartlepool, the town, has always been a laughing stock.


Change the record ADG!

Some people vote Tory all their lives, does that make them sheep?

My nana, who is 79, has voted Labour all of her life, and she isnt brainwashed, or a sheep


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[quote="TalbotAvenger]
Some people vote Tory all their lives, does that make them sheep?[/quote]

Yes
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My nana, who is 79, has voted Labour all of her life, and she isnt brainwashed, or a sheep[/quote]

Maybe not but she votes without thinking and probably because it's what she's always done. Over the past 50 years every major party have had period when they were unelectable. Your nana must have voted for the likes of Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock when they were commies.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:24 am 
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Yes she did, but she wasnt brainwashed and didnt like the alternative, Mrs Thatcher, she didnt agree with the power the unions wielded, but didnt like the idea of totally abolishing every right working people have, nor did she agree with the total privatisation of everything that moves!

Also bear in mind when she was young EVERYONE voted Tory and kids worked when they were 12 and people died of the most curable of diseases, so if that makes people sheep for wanted a better standard of care, a NHS services and decent schools, then I too am baa baa black sheep

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I do think the current Labour MP in Hartlepool is an arse


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I'm not feeling strong enough to face another Maggie Thatcher arguement but, maybe I'm getting cynical in my old age but I can think of two or three MPs who are genuine. I might not agree with his politics but Denis Skinner is way out in front at the top of that list. At the other extreme we have the likes of the current Hartpool MP who is primarily interested in his own skin.

As for your nana, I can't argue with you as I don't know the lady and I'm not going to insult her intelligence for the same reason and also out of respect for you.


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All the comments I have read so far on this and similar threads seem to take it for granted that Hartepool hospital and North Tees hospital will both eventually close and be replaced by a new purpose built hospital.

Why are people so confident that a new hospital will in fact be built at all?

After all we only have the word of those who told us that Hartlepool hospital would not close.

People who work in Hartlepool hospital know that it is steadily being run down with services being transfered to North Tees or to various satellites around the town. I think that it is a distinct possibility that as Hartlepool runs down we will still be promised the new hospital but it will not matrerialise because 'the prevailing economic circumstances mean it is not viable at present' or 'the present arrangements are working very well and people have said that they like them' or some such justification dreamt up by some mealy mouthed Labour Party functionary who has never held a job in the real world in their life.

I think we have to face it - as far as the hospital goes we are stuffed.

We can huff and puff and cause some temporary embarrassment to he Labour Party (and even that prospect might be wildly optomistic as they seem to be incapable of embarrassment or shame to me) but in the end we will still not have our hospital.

In this case we should think carefully about what we do. It makes no sense to 'cut our nose off to spite our face'. Does any one really think that things would have turned out differently if Jody Dunn ahd been our MP? Or if any of the disappointed time servers on the council had been chosen as the Labour Party candidate rather than Ian Wright?
I won't be surpised if the calls for Ian Wright to resign and force a By election are led by those who were predicting his deselection as the Labour candidate even before he won the By election, so that one of their number can take his place on the gravy train.

As furious as I am I think things would be even worse overall if the Liberals got in. They would probably bulid the new hospital in Europe and make us all swim there so as not to cause global warming.


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themoog wrote:
All the comments I have read so far on this and similar threads seem to take it for granted that Hartepool hospital and North Tees hospital will both eventually close and be replaced by a new purpose built hospital.

Why are people so confident that a new hospital will in fact be built at all?

After all we only have the word of those who told us that Hartlepool hospital would not close.

People who work in Hartlepool hospital know that it is steadily being run down with services being transfered to North Tees or to various satellites around the town. I think that it is a distinct possibility that as Hartlepool runs down we will still be promised the new hospital but it will not matrerialise because 'the prevailing economic circumstances mean it is not viable at present' or 'the present arrangements are working very well and people have said that they like them' or some such justification dreamt up by some mealy mouthed Labour Party functionary who has never held a job in the real world in their life.

I think we have to face it - as far as the hospital goes we are stuffed.

We can huff and puff and cause some temporary embarrassment to he Labour Party (and even that prospect might be wildly optomistic as they seem to be incapable of embarrassment or shame to me) but in the end we will still not have our hospital.

In this case we should think carefully about what we do. It makes no sense to 'cut our nose off to spite our face'. Does any one really think that things would have turned out differently if Jody Dunn ahd been our MP? Or if any of the disappointed time servers on the council had been chosen as the Labour Party candidate rather than Ian Wright?
I won't be surpised if the calls for Ian Wright to resign and force a By election are led by those who were predicting his deselection as the Labour candidate even before he won the By election, so that one of their number can take his place on the gravy train.

As furious as I am I think things would be even worse overall if the Liberals got in. They would probably bulid the new hospital in Europe and make us all swim there so as not to cause global warming.
..and you started off so well and ended in abject disappointment. I'd hardly call wanting Wright to resign 'cutting my nose off' he's as effective as a blancmange ..hardly a man of passion or firebrand is he? ..... as evidenced at the way he's 'moved on' :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:34 pm 
I've never voted in my life, dont give a sh it me!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:36 pm 
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I think the crux of this argument is that only 25% of the people in Hartlepool actually voted Labour!



It's called the first past the post system. Unless you're willing to vote lib dem, get used to it.


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I've never voted in my life, dont give a sh it me!
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Snowy,
your point about Ian Wright and his willingness to 'move on' is well taken. I wrote it before I got my copy of the mail.
However if I accept your description of the man, and there is no reason why I shouldn't, I still would have great doubts about replacing him with any of the other labour luminaries who would be clamouring for his place in parliament. And the prospect of having a Liberal in would be even more sickening for me.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:39 am 
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I'm not feeling strong enough to face another Maggie Thatcher arguement but, maybe I'm getting cynical in my old age but I can think of two or three MPs who are genuine. I might not agree with his politics but Denis Skinner is way out in front at the top of that list. At the other extreme we have the likes of the current Hartpool MP who is primarily interested in his own skin.

As for your nana, I can't argue with you as I don't know the lady and I'm not going to insult her intelligence for the same reason and also out of respect for you.


Dennis Skinner is a gem, and one of the last Socialists in the house. Hartlepool wasted an opportunity when they didn't vote Arthur Scargill in either as he is of the same stamp. It's just a pity that his public persona is that ranting rabble rouser seen in 1984. His Union work is and was unimpeachable, his confrontational politics unfortunate but his integrity sound. There is a complete and utter lack of integrity in the New Labour movement and unfortunately in the leadership of the public sector services, primarily the police force and the NHS.


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