Not hearing that much lately

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Probs 30-70 chip but with a bit of a tweak here and there you never know wish i could look into the future

Think humps will be a benchy most of next season so room to bring in another and weed the odd one out

I can guarantee that the percentage of pools fans who want turner in charge next season will be less than 30%. In fact I have not heard 1 single supporter say that they hope he is in charge next season.

If the team continue to play like they did yesterday I couldnt give a flying fook who was manager next year.

But we all know that they VERY rarely play like that under CT. And lets be honest, we werent THAT good yesterday. Colchester had us pinned in our half for the second half. If we had played like Colchester did away from home then we would be saying what a travesty it was if we had got beat 3-1. Colchester have not exactly been pulling up any trees lately.

Yesterday highlighted that the team can play really well in patches and with a proper manager then there should be no reason why we cant be more consistent and nearer to the top of the table than the bottom.

I don't know mate. For all the possession they had they didn't really have any sort of clear cut chance did they? The goal they scored was handed to them by us. I still think Turner took far too long to make changes in the second half and I think it was noticeable that things evened out a little after he freshened the midfield up.

But yes I would like a new manager next season. I think we will.

I agree, a new manager for next season to freshen things up and hopefully get a few more through the turnstiles.

but at the moment theres no point knocking him because things are finally working out on the pitch.

Bit of advice Mr Klinger......

Never let logic get in the way of hysteria. Or Wikipaedia.

yes, logic....... my biggest downfall

and trying to reason with the unreasonable

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id be suprised if he is manager at the start of next season.

But will he just return to DOS or be completly removed.......Will we get a quality manager with him still pulling the strings upstairs.

I can not see how it will work if he remains as DOS.

It's true. It's like beating your head against the wall. You do it for the right reasons, but's it's really nice when you stop

wheres the proof he pull strings from 'upstairs'......?

The nub of the matter, as others have pointed out, is that despite organising 4 wins in our last 5 games, there are far too many negatives associated with Turner during his second spell as manager. He has overseen horrendous defeats in two cup competitions, played players despite them not being deserving of a starting place or showing any sign of form, has effectively wasted funds made available to him by signing players that he clearly doesn't think are up to the job and never fails to give away the impression that he doesn't know how to change a game.

He has said before that he can't help how the players perform once they step onto the pitch. There is an element of truth to that and he certainly doesn't deserve ridicule when various players make the sort of mistakes that would make an under 10's coach fume. But he's the one picking the team and its not as if mistakes like the one Collins made yesterday have been few and far between.

I too would be very surprised if he was still the manager for the start of the 2010/11 season.

I have no proof.

I just think he will have his nose into the new manager's approach...I feel thats what happened when wilson was here.

He Wilson never got a pot to piss in soon as he was out the door 14/15 new signings?

I think we need a new approach he needs to leave all together we dont need a DOS we need a manager with new idea's who can get the best out of what we have.

Wilson himself stated only weeks ago that, at no point, did Turner interfere. He even said he wasn't even aware if Turner was above him or not. So your completely wrong, not for the first time

True, although if a new manager came in and the team began to make solid progress I'm fairly confident people would forget/not be bothered that Turner was still at the club in some capacity.

Again, true, but I don't think all of them would stay away if results were good and the football was entertaining. If we say 2000 heads are currently missing from the home gates I reckon at least half would come back if the football was good.

I have an awful feeling that by the end of the season the heat will be off and everything will remain the same, with the same undercurrent of supporters who believe that Turner is not the man to take us forward. We will continue to go round in circle with phases of bizarre selections and 3 game beaten streaks to paper over the cracks

IOR would not IMO employ a new Manager, and pay him a Managers wage if he was not managing the team. I agree with those who say that if Turner moved back upstairs, the results improved under a new Manager, and performances were entertaining, the fans would return in numbers. It would not matter a jot really whether we sell 3k season tickets or 1500, as long as the fans backed the team in numbers should their performances next season deserve it.

The fact that Turner was still at the club would soon be forgotten, as the majority of fans would be prepared to forgive and forget, as the bloke has not intentiously done anything to blacken the clubs image. Albeit guilty of frequent poor team selection, motivation, and tactical inadequacies aside.

I'm not to big or clever to admit I can be wrong maybe the other day it went a little OTT.

I dont hate Turner or IOR I just want a little bit more.

What you are stating is let Turner go back upstairs because he did not interfere at all last time.

Ok then do you really think Little Hartlepool can really afford or need a DOS & a manager on what 60-70k each?

That would pay for 2-3 players so whos wrong now!

If you want Turner to be Manager fine it's your opinion but I'm with the majority.

It's time for a change .

In my opinion the stay away fans will stay away until he leaves

see now your going off on something else. I don't want Turner as manager either (unless it would guarantee O'Donovans signing) i just don't see an issue with him carrying on his job as DOS (he's paid by IOR and not Pools btw).

I'm yet to see a convincing reason why he should be kept on as Director of Sport. I'm also yet to see a convincing reason why we even need one.

I'd rather spend the money on something constructive, like a good footballer for example.

If Turners wage was coming out of Pools' budget then i would agree. But he's being paid by IOR, so it shouldn't affect our budget

Regardly of whose budget it's coming out of, it's money that could be better spent.

If he added value to the club then I'd be happy with it but I just don't see the benefit of having someone so tactically clueless as a Director of Sport.

what has being tactically clueless got to do with being DOS? Based on what he/Hodcroft/Wilson have said about the position in the past, he basically does a lot of paperwork for Hodcroft, he does some scouting and he sorts out the negotiation of contracts. Thus allowing the 'manager' to concentrate on managing/coaching the squad.

Being tactically aware shouldn't have anything to do with it.

So you don't need to be tactically aware to be a good scout? Righty ho.

What paperwork do we need to do?

i would say that being able to judge a players ability is more important than knowing how & where to play them. That, after all, would be up to the 'manager'.

And the paperwork thing.....i haven't the foggiest. Ask Hodcroft, he's the one who expects it to be done.

So you're happy for someone to be scouting for the club who has a track record of signing about 20 players in 12 months and a very high percentage of them are utter cack.

Cos I'm fooking not.

its probably a good job that scouts don't actually sign players then, they just give their opinion on them.

its up to the manager who he signs.

I'm beginning to think you're on a windup.

Given that we have played all season with relatively few injuries the fact that Turner is only starting to know what his best XI is now suggests to me that Turner's opinion on players should be taken with a pinch of salt.

The guy has proved over the last 18 months that he is clueless in every possible form, I can't believe that anyone would want the guy involved in the running of a football club.

no wind up mate, we just have (very) different perspectives.

Fair do's. You've still not provided a reason why Turner is the right man to be our Director of Sport so I'll remain convinved that he is far from the right option.

Just for the record what would you want to see happen next season?

I want to see a new management team in charge, I want Roy to sign and I want a top half finish.

What will probably happen is something else.

Is it fair to say that a good percentage of us want a new manager next season? Yes it is.

Whats the options then? Who can we attract?

Nigel Clough? How's he doing these days.
Paul Ince? Probs wouldn't come as he wouldn't be given the funds.

I think we would probably end up going for a promising relatively young yet inexperienced manager as we seem to have a track record for it (Turner, Newell, Cooper, Scott), not that there is anything wrong with that.

Any other opinions on who you would like to see at the helm?

Steve Cotterill. He's turning down a contract offer at Notts County but thats probably because he wants to go to a championship or higher club so Pools wouldn't rev him up.

Martin Foyle

Maybe some simple maths, learning to count to 10.

Turnur INN

What about Mark Cooper

Maybe

Ken's programme notes the other day and all his crack seems like he is going to have no money next year for signings or extra wages. So i fear O Donovan might not get a good enough contract to stay. That being said i believe Turner is doing well now. He's kept us safe from relegation this year and if we continue to finish winning games and playing as well as we have done last couple of games then hopefully we'll push on next year.

I fear without money this wont happen like. But if we cant afford to buy a manager in from a club or afford good wages for a manager, or attract a manager to a club with no money to spend on players then we should just stick with turner and back him.

If we stay up this season then Turner won't have left us in that bad a position, at the end of the day it makes not one jot of difference if you finish 7th or if you finish 20th going into next season.

He will have left us with a decent squad of players and the makings of a good team. I don't think this consitutes him doing a good job though. I think this current squad of players with the right manager would have finished in the top half this season but we've lost out on a lot of points at times when we really shouldn't have, a decent manager wouldn't have let so many leading positions fall away, a half decent one certainly wouldn't have let a 2-0 lead away at Southend for example. That's 3 points we should be better off by already.

We need a manager to pick up on his failings and get the current squad to a position that we know they are capable of. This includes signings, tactics, man-management of players and being able to motivate.

We need someone to get the best out of players like Jones, Monky, Boyd, Hartley, Behan, Bjornsson, Gamble, Sweeney, Rowell, Clark ,McSweeney etc who have all showed great promise at some point in the year and a bit that Turner has been in charge. The problem is getting them to perform it consistently and Turner's lack of man-management has meant they have all struggled for the majority of his tenure.

I don't know who the answer is, I am just convinced that Turner isn't.

I agree with all that.

If it came down to a choice between signing O Donovan or signing a new manager, I'd take the goal scorer.

Just about spot on that

yeah totally. Id pay anything to keep O Donovan, and i guess we'll see how Turner does next year but for sure he'll be our manager, Ken seems like he would stick with him whatever. But i hope if we get beat the first two games next year the 'turner out' chants dont start again. Id like us to stick with him and see who he brings in, and goes out and then re asses how we are at christmas or something.

But leeague 1 next year with the championship teams coming down and the money spent at Leeds, Huddersfield, Southampton and Swindon its going to be tough.

I also heard that the FA have told us that we may get deducted points at end of season but it will be made so it wont effect our positioning, i.e, if 3 points would take us down, they would only take 1 away. Or we would just get a fine like Acrington did last year.