No not Jack. If there was an election tomorrow, who would youse vote for? I'm tempted to vite Tory but I don't want to.

Tory or Monster Raving Loony Party................ The latter wins for me

None of the vile worthless lying gets

Labour, because my grandad voted Tory

At the moment, I'm thinking Labour. Lib Dems are worryingly talking rubbish already and are also trying to go after the young student vote already.

Mr Kent, the Lib Dems have been talking rubbish for years. They do so in the knowledge that they'll never ever get voted in with a ruling majority and therefore will never ever have to actually do the crazy stuff that they come out with to try and convince people to vote for them. For that reason they're generally a wasted vote for naive folk who don't know better or a tactical vote to try and remove one of the two main parties from a seat.

Hope that helps.

If youse vote the Labour party and it's caring, sharing, people friendly policies in again, I swear I won't stop laughing until I cardiac arrest and die.

Six years on a DNA database when you've done nowt?? 72% taxes....

Mr Kent, it's a bit worrying that you're considering conventional politics at all, at your age. What are you going to have to look back on if you don't spend your twenties inspiring the proletriat to revolt?

Odds at Ladbroke:
Most seats
Cons 1/8
Lab 5/1

The bookies don't rate Labour's chances, do they?

An odds-on Tory victory, surely not?

Hell will freeze over before I see David Cameron become Prime Minister.

You watch, it'll probably happen now...

As far as I know, Citizen Smith isn't running as a candidate for the Communists in Gillingham and Rainham. That's probably why.

But you don't have to wait for other people to stand. Take charge of your own destiny, Kent
Not communism, though...that's totally discredited. Become an Anarcho-Syndicalist and I'll canvass for you.

When are we ever going to get away from the usual Tory scaremongering.
That is all they ever do.

I think I'll try it.
This is what will happen if the Tories get in.

Direct taxation will go down ( benefitting the rich)
Indirect taxation will go up ( taxing everybody, including the poor, the elderly etc.)
Unemployment will rise. ( they always do that, they see it as a way of controlling the masses)
Interest rates will go up affecting mortgages and causing homes to be repossessed, and businesses to fail ( They've done it every other time they've been elected)
Child investment money ( for new born babes) will be scrapped.
Old age pension will be frozen or increases curtailed ( they have done that a lot in the past)
Child benefit will be means tested ( their supporters don't need it, so that won't hurt them)
Nurses and Teachers pay ( slowly brought up to decent proportions by labour) will be cut. Jobs will be cut.
Ditto for Police and Firefighters.
Bus passes will be reviewed and part, if not all, charged for.
Prescription charges will rise disproportionately.
Cameron will become gaffer ( just think about that for a minute)
Osborne will become Chancellor ( that doesn't bear thinking about)

The rich will definitely get richer and the poor will get left further behind, with child poverty reaching third world proportions.
Investment in the NHS and hospitals will be cut.
Ditto for schools.

Of course every single one of us has a choice.

One question I always ask myself is. Am I voting for change because it is necessary or have the alternative parties got such exciting policies that I have to change.

So if you want to lose your job, lose sleep over paying your mortgage, watch your kids and parents go without necessary medicines, make your travel free elderly parents become house bound, help public services be slashed, allow the cost of living soar due to increased indirect taxation, watch class sizes rise, school books and equipment disappear etc etc etc etc etc etc........then vote Tory.

The choice is yours as always.

Thank you Gordon. Now examine the list you made above the above quote, and see how much of that occurred in the last 12 years or so. Coupled with a camera down your throat and 3,000 new offenses, including your child dropping litter from it's pushchair and legalised assault by the police force.

Unemployment is already up to twice what it was when these bastards took over, reposessions are at a record level, pensioners get taxed and shat on every waking moment, public services cost twenty times what thay did, council chiefs are on six figure salries and s

Then tell me, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear....

Well said.
Anyone who votes Tory is a bounder.
Was Oi, You! derwent.
Spender you can foook off:):)

What he said.
What happens here has nothing to do with you. You left remember.

When was the last time we shot students for protesting against oppression?

Typical Tory bollocks.
Chinese style brainwashing doesn't work here matey. We're free you see.

A convincing argument for me to vote Labour.

I wont vote Tory and I dont want to vote for Labour or Lib Dem. I would vote for a revolution as the whole system is fucked. I'm spoiling my paper but I havent decided what to write on it yet...

Over the last 5 yrs my mum's pension has gone down, whilst the tax on it has gone up, cheers Gordon !!

Can you explain mate?
If she is on state pension alone then she is allowed to earn £9500 ( rounded up) before tax, which is £180(rounded down) per week before tax. She therefore should pay no tax.
If she is being taxed then she must have other income, such as a private pension or other income.
The threshold for anyone over 65 before their tax allowance is reduced, is £23900. So if her income has increased to more than that then she will be taxed more.
Anyone just starting to receive state pension, who previously relied on a private pension only, will pay their tax through their private provider. In that instance their private pension provider will deduct the tax due on the state pension, effectively reducing the private pension but that means that she will get her state pension in full.
Unless her circumstances have changed there is no way that her state pension should be reduced or that she should pay more tax.
Needs checking.

As a matter of interest the newsreaders are constantly telling us this recent recession is as bad as the one in the eighties.

Well in the eighties it was a domestic recession caused by the government policies of the day, whereas this recent one was caused by world financial downturns.
The speed with which this recent one was controlled and reversed was breathtaking, whereas the Tory government of the eighties dillied and dallied. They supervised interest rates well into double figures taking mortgage rates in excess of 15%.
Can you imagine what interest rates over 10% would do to your monthly expenditure?????
For thirteen years we have had interest rates and inflation under control. A situation that was unheard of prior to this government taking over.
It is easy to look at all that is wrong in your lives and blame the guys in power. They are responsible, but will changing to untried and untested men with wild promises put those wrongs right.

Think carefully before you return to the people who we rejected in 1997 because, after 18 years, they still hadn't produced what they had promised.

It's her NHS pension, she was a nurse for many years. In all honesty she would probably have been better off as a dolite or a smack-head, as more provisions are thrown at these two groups han an the honest working bloke. If anyone saw what is thrown at the average addict in prison, so far as resources and government monies they would be well-shocked !!!!

Obviously as reported by the Americans, do you want a copy of the response from China about all that?? It really does expose the hypocracy that drips from the Land Of The Free.

Also it's quite amusing that Mr Derwent says we, the British people presumably are free, Mr Fireball wants to pay 72p in the pound for freedom of speech and both are telling me to shut up.

Got to go, the organ harvesters have come for my kidneys, the PSB are here to abort our rasses female foetus and the extermination squad are next door shooting the neighbours second baby as they thought it's howling was a protest. Two for the price of one there. That's Commie efficiency for you.

Never a dull moment eh??

Is Peter Mandelson plugged into you?

One of the main reasons for the 1980s recession was the state of the country after the previous Labour Governments. But hey, blame the people who inherited it and fixed it why don't you.

Mr Spender, how dare you disagree with Mr Derwent-Labour?

You can see how it upsets him when people point facts out to him, he can only respond by telling you it's nothing to do with you and changing the subject.

I took the line that since I was being dismissed out of hand on a very thin pretext, then the implication was that I should shut up.

But Mr Fireball, old mate, you've never been here so surely you aren't qualified to comment. Much the same as anyone who hasn't been to a game doesn't have a relevant opinion as is often stated on here.

He Qinglian is just another stroppy journalist with a chip on her shoulder who ran away in 2001 and joined the New Jersey China bashers. Most of the negative propaganda about China originates from New Jersey, and oddly enough, Frankfurt. Her comments in 'Media Control in China' were already out of date by three years when it was published. If she could see the stream of bent officials going through the justice system now she'd maybe realise that her intervention as a nobody from a small newspaper office was neither needed or welcome.

Mr Ripper, I too recognise that in Mr Derwents case, no-one can remove the red tinted spectacles. It's not a debate as such, more a blind following of the party line as drawn by Alastair Campbell. I wonder whether he thinks the war in Iraq was necessary too??

I like the way Ripper blames the previous 1970's Labour government for the tory recession which peaked with interest rates at 15 % in err 1990, that gave them only eleven years to get things right.

HTh

Don't let those facts get in the way of his argument

A Tory recession is a noble cause, FACT!

It was a big mess that took a lot of sorting out. The whole structure of the country's economy needed to be changed from the previous reliance on heavy industry. Some of the knock on effects of that didn't happen overnight.

The current situation doesn't compare with that, the current mess is down to spending more than you have, not just at Government level but also all of the halfwits who are racked up to the hilt for a new telly, a fancy wardrobe or a flash car all on tick that they can't really afford and don't necessarily need.

Just for the record, because the two joined at the hip i.e. Spender and Ripper are resorting to their usual lies and inuendos, trying to ridicule my opinion of the Tories by accusing me of being what I'm not.

The opinion I am giving is based on why, at the moment, I don't see the Tories as the answer.
I am not advocating voting Labour, Lib Dems or the Tories at the moment as I haven't made my mind up. A point which I stated yesterday but has been conveniently overlooked.

I am not Gordon Brown.

I am not Peter Mandybum.

Now I know you two are finding it difficult to understand why someone has reservations about letting the Tories back in. You will just have to accept that the Tories do not have any appeal at the moment as far as I am concerned. Now, doing this step by step, that does not mean I have decided to vote for any alternative. Get it??????????? Nah, there are non so blind as those who don't want to see.

As I have said earlier, I have no idea what the fiscal policies of the Tory party are, or many of their other policies. So, until they make clear what they are about, then I can only assume that they will act in the usual Tory manner, which the country overwhelmingly rejected by a massive landslide in 1997.

I need to be convinced that replacing the present government would be a step in the right direction, which is the theme of my argument. That doesn't make me happy with what we've got, but I'm not getting rid of it until one, or both, of the main opposition convince me that they would handle the economy any better.

Now that is put in as plain English as I can muster.

I am one of Chip's two million floating voters who still need convincing. I may not vote at all.

Ok Superwatty.

Fair do's Mr Fireball.

Although to be honest having a discussion with you is ok cos at least you have something to say that's remotely worth listening to (even if you are a little misinformed ).

The other clown is all noise and as consistent as diahorrea.

Also for the record..............the Tories had just as much power in the seventies as Labour.
We had Ted Heath as prime minister ( even Thatcher thought he was a numpty ) and Tony Barber as chancellor, who was responsible for rampant inflation due to his now infamous "Barber boom"

Margaret Thatcher said inflation was the biggest enemy of the economy.

Gordy has controlled inflation better and longer than any chancellor in living memory..........FACT.
Gordy has also controlled interest rates better and longer than any chancellor in living memory........FACT

Giving control to the Bank of England monetary committee was a masterstroke pulled by Gordy.......FACT

It was opposed by the out of touch Tories.............................................................................FACT

The whole of the developed World voted for Gordy's financial bail out plan...................................FACT

The Tories were against it...................................................................................................FACT

The Tories haven't an alternative..........................................................................................FACT

The bail out is working..........................................................................................................FACT

The Tories are just scaremongering over the economy ( because they haven't a fiscal policy that would stand up to scrutiny)......FACT.

The list is endless.

Here we are four weeks from making a momentous decision and the self appointed credible alternative are formulating policy on the hoof.

You couldn't make it up.

I won't put any laughing smilies cos it ain't a laughing matter.

Ah.................insults now................same old Ripper.

You've written FACT a lot there Derwent (aka Tickhill aka Superwatty).

In FACT you've written it against a load of cobblers on most occassions in that post.

But if it makes you feel better then I'm pleased for you.

What's your next move? Going to look in your mirror and telling yourself that you're playing a masterful game on The Bunker and convincing yourself that nobody can see through your bull because you're just so convincing and much cleverer than everybody else who posts on there?

I think I've got to the stage where I'm just going to laugh at you because you blatantly can't be being serious and therefore can't and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Same old Tickhill and Superwatty.

You might change your name but your old self always comes shining through in the end.

Is that the best you can up with????????

Think I am going to vote for the Lib dems as pointless voting Tory in Hartlepool and I hate the pie faced moron

Well if you don't agree with what I've said then put up an argument against it. I don't mind honest. Or would you rather continue with your waffle and insults.
Oh and I'm serious, but it seems to be getting a little too hot for you old chum.
Never mind, we'll wait for your mate to come along and pull you out.

I haven't made up my mind yet either Chip, but really speaking after 13 years of Labour government, the Tories should be romping it.
I am just asking the question why????? Like you say, there isn't a lot between them. Unless the Tories come out with some real, radical and innovative policies then what's the point in changing, with all the upheaval that goes with it.

Who is that Labour MP thats sometimes on Have I got news for you, he is a right character and hates the current cabinet (and Tony Blair)

Oh did anyone hear his speach the other day in Sedgefield were he sounded like a Yank!

We're not all sat at home all day with nowt else to do like you Mr Watty. But like I said, I'm sure that what you do gives you some kind of joy in what otherwise seems a sad existence.

And your last two lines were just classic Superwatty.

I'm confused.

Given that diahorrea (sic) is liquid, isn't it incredibly consistent, much more so than other excremental forms?

He must have been some guy this superwatty..................he definitely has got to you old chum.
Why don't you just admit that your arguments have degenerated into name calling.

Is that line classic superwatty as well???

Can you give me some more????

Was he your hero, go on you can tell us??????

Can you dig out any of his posts on here for me, cos I have looked and can't see any. I am told he made a brief appearance on this board but only made a couple of posts. Were those posts that good that he is still obviously under your skin?????

Some guy that one.

Edit................I have just been in the members section and there are two posts accredited to superwatty...........so what was it he said that causes you to be still harping on about him..............or it could be a "her". .

Aye...that's what I mean with Cameron, as for Osborne.............nightmare material.

We have problems houston.

David Cameron is a smarmy looking bounder and cannot be trusted.
Anyone who votes for the tories must like high interest rates.
Lets see what Ripper has to say when his mortgage payments double.

Even if mortgage payments go up then it's swings and roundabouts to a certain degree Mr Tree. The current highwaymen prefer to lump shedloads of tax on everything and hit you in the pocket that way- all that matters is what you have left to spend regardless of where the rest has gone.

The thing is though you cant have done too bad under Labour the last 10 years or so
Low interest rates. I guess your job is pretty secure.
Schooling has improved significantly, I guess you did attend school under a labour government and did pretty well