I know, I mean Norwich consistently get bigger crowds and have a higher average attendance so you can't really compare them for a start.

They get full houses every week, they probably would if they could have an even higher average. It's £25 to get into Norwich, hardly that different. They get consistently better crowds, your average is only close because your ground can hold more and the odd big attendance boosts it.

The one thing that certainly doesn't compare is that Norwich are quite a nice club, you certainly do 'nasty, horrible, and intimidating (probably at times for your own players as well)' much better.

Well that table proves which game the Norwich fans regard as 'the big one'.

I love it when you see precious Leeds fans crying like fooking babes about how "big" they are. Genuinely big clubs are far too busy disappearing over the horizon to care about such trivial tat as club size.

What is funny is when other clubs bring up at every opportunity why Leeds arn't a big club.
Then every time they play Leeds they sing "your not famous anymore" and then the announcer reads out the record attendance for the season, even though its the 3rd year in the same league.

I think most people go on like this (like I have in this thread) is just to provoke a reaction like yours. Lay a few bits of bait and before long a Leeds fan will be here to justify how 'massive' you are as if we are seriously meant to give a fook. We know you are a big club, but you are Leeds, one the biggest cities in the UK. You should have a quite a big football club, for the third tier anyway.

I might go around all the League One message boards telling everyone who wants to listen how small a club Pools are. Do you know we pre sold 18 tickets for the Southampton game mid week? Fooking tiny we are. We don't have a single supporters club outside of the grounds postcode... tiny!!

Just look at how far bottom of the average attendance table we are…. Tiny.

And Leeds United have been in the same league as us for three years

(sigh) to repeat... NOBODY CARES

Seriously woody, club size is something that people like Richard Keys wank over. I couldn't give a flying fook and neither could most football fans. Now of course Leeds were a (fairly) successful club for a sustained spell 35-45 years ago and they flickered again, though a lot less brightly, 10-20 years ago. There are a lot of football fans of that generation who remember those sides, especially the 70s one, with a bit of warm nostalgia. The name carries some weight and attraction for floating fans. But it's fading rapidly. There are people PLAYING professional football this season who can't remember Leeds ever winning anything. Meanwhile the disgusting state of English football that Leeds carelessly/callously helped to create is ensuring that the current generation of armchair fans and the next one will not let their affections drift within a country mile of Leeds. It's the turn of other beasts to top the food chain.

I don't believe that Leeds are hampered by teams "raising their game" against them. That's just arrogant nonsense, the mantra of rarfs who can't handle the fact that Leeds are not a class above this level, and even if it did have some truth it would be more than outweighed by the superior pulling power that Leeds have over most/all clubs in this division.

I was just adressing this statement:

"Every time a team plays Leeds, they see it as a cup final and will up their performance levels," says Ritchie. "That is another thing that the players have to take on board."

Which people was claiming was incorrect, when infact it's 100% bang on.

(sigh) to repeat... NOBODY CARES

Seriously woody, club size is something that people like Richard Keys wank over. I couldn't give a flying fook and neither could most football fans. Now of course Leeds were a (fairly) successful club for a sustained spell 35-45 years ago and they flickered again, though a lot less brightly, 10-20 years ago. There are a lot of football fans of that generation who remember those sides, especially the 70s one, with a bit of warm nostalgia. The name carries some weight and attraction for floating fans. But it's fading rapidly. There are people PLAYING professional football this season who can't remember Leeds ever winning anything. Meanwhile the disgusting state of English football that Leeds carelessly/callously helped to create is ensuring that the current generation of armchair fans and the next one will not let their affections drift within a country mile of Leeds. It's the turn of other beasts to top the food chain.

I don't believe that Leeds are hampered by teams "raising their game" against them. That's just arrogant nonsense, the mantra of rarfs who can't handle the fact that Leeds are not a class above this level, and even if it did have some truth it would be more than outweighed by the superior pulling power that Leeds have over most/all clubs in this division.

I've just been on the Charlton board, they were trying to suggest we aren't as small as we think we are and that some of there players actually put a shift in when they played us.

I was giving it large about how teams don't even try against us because they don't really need to. When teams play us the atmosphere is invariably flat, and the crowd the smallest of the season. Recently the Yeovil keeper and centre back shared a tab whilst they were on the attack against us. We suffer because of the oppositions relaxed nature.

It’s not as if it’s 11V11 like every other league game and we need some sort of justification for our players not being as good as Norwich or anything.

Also Woody, when the smaller than youselves geordies went down to this division, (as much as i dislike them) did they not go straight back up the next season. Because, in the words of Harry Enfield, They are cosiderably bigger than you.

How much of our money gets put back in transfer? next to nothing

As much as i'd like to sympathise with that statement, i can't because you get more revenue/turnover than anyone else in this division and probably a great deal more than a lot of the clubs in the division above. So i would imagine your players aren't exactly low earners.

Woody,

Which division are you in?

Which league have you failed twice to get out of?

Which league are you now struggling in?

Club size means as much as cock size to a lesbian, I'd like to see some of your better players do well for themselves. I'd like to see your club and fans switch places with Chester City.

Also our first season in league 1 we did win enough points on the pitch to go up automatically.

I was talking to a Widnes rugby league fan tonight about Elland Road who said that the stewarding for the rugby games was every bit as aggressive as for the football away crowds. What's the problem there then. Three sets of stewards i.e. Stewards......Response Team, how aggresive is that and those creepy ones in undertakers coats, dark glasses and shaved heads who look as though they've been evicted from the Kremlin.

There's something wrong with the Leeds F.C mentality.

No you didn't. You were docked points, that's the rules, Southampton have had to deal with it this year and when i met some of thier supporters when they were up here they fully accepted that and the fact they had to deal with it which i thought was admirable. But maybe they're not as big a club as leeds with a divine right to be higher up.

Woody, everytime I've watched Leeds the person who impresses me most is Snodgrass, to think we nearly got him, he drives them on from midfield. I get the impression if Beckford and he were both missing you'd really struggle?

Who's the back-up to Snodgrass then?

Sorry woody, but you have no way of knowing that. I remember the early months of the 2007/08 season, when the media was chock full of crowing Leeds fans tripping over themselves to smugly thank the Football League for providing them with the momentum they needed to make their stay in the third tier as short as possible. The galvanising effect of that 15 point deduction gave Leeds a siege mentality that is not to be underestimated, a point acknowledged by most Leeds fans at the time. There was a palpable sense of joining all forces together and showing the FL exactly what pitiful effect a 15 point handicap would have on their wounded but mighty behemoth. They were going to raise this "tinpot" league to rubble and win the title regardless. I know Leeds fans who, in all seriousness, were talking about winning 35-40 games. They said that the points deduction was one of the best things that could have happened to their club.

It's nowhere near as simple as saying "we finished with x points, therefore we would have finished with x+15". Doesn't work like that.

woody, can you not remember the collective "fook you" mentality eminating from Elland at the time? It was almost palpable.

Very few sides have ever begun a season on negative points. You're looking at a very small sample, which can be used to prove nothing. Of the clubs that have begun a season with a points deduction, some (like Rotherham, Bournemouth and, most grievously, Chester) were on their knees, and comparisons are ludicrous. They don't all have access to Ken Bates' big book of financial magic. The closest possible comparison (and even then, not exactly the same) is indeed Southampton, and you're right: Saints would be outside the playoffs with ten more points. So what? Just between you and me, I concede that the third tier Leeds United side of 2007/08 was slightly better than the third tier Southampton side of 2009/10. Well done. Big whoop. High five. Pat on head. I'm sure a passing fan of Man Utd would soil himself* to see what scraps a Leeds fan is reduced to gloating about.


*lots of Manyoo fans actually do soil themselves with distressing regularity. I think it's brought about by the taxing process of trying to manage an original thought while maintaining basic biological control.

*lots of Manyoo fans actually do soil themselves with distressing regularity. I think it's brought about by the taxing process of trying to manage an original thought while maintaining basic biological control.

Should be

I hope you destroy Swindon today