That is a ridiculous post.

people say bad things about women usually because they've had a bad experience and feel hurt by it still...........

*ahem*!

Oh no it isn't.

I agree, Dibble. Although it has to be said that some male posters have made a stand about that, too.

It's difficult to know what to say about the A McQueen thread, now, that will solve anything rather than rile someone and make things worse. Mr Ripper says he didn't mean to offend, so we'll have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I can only say that I find his outbursts a bit disturbing myself...they give me the impression of someone out of control.

Many of the most interesting and funny posters have left, and others like Kolley hardly ever post....that has to tell us something.

Oh, and Compo is a good lad.

Well one in ten is a 'bummer' so there may be someone who posts on here who is an homosexual

And they say one in ten is gay


I'm not
Ripper isn't
Of course Poolie Kev isn't
Monkey Harris isn't
PJ Poolie isn't
Bernie Cribbens isn't
Pubey insn't
EGC isn't
Mutley isn't


So that leaves you gay boy

I never commented on the other thread but i couldnt give two shits what people write.

Call a spade a spade I say. If im ever at the point where i take serious offence by comments on an internet message board then il happily top myself.

I think some posters have had bad experiences with gays

when will people learn - you don't have to join in

I don't know who you're talking about regarding the 'snakes with tits' comment, but I would have thought that if he is repeatedly saying it, someone should have had a word with him by now, if it was meant in a truly misogynistic way. Why have you only brought this up now if it's being said all the time?

Violence or prejudice arising from homophopia is far more prevalent than that arising from mysogyny. That's why people came down on Mr Ripper's bigoted comments.

To be fair its all a bit pathetic if you ask me, lets just stick with football.

debatable, isn't it? there's a fair few battered wives would disagree.

in that case i will try my best to offend you

Not really. You've used the words 'battered wives'. That's a clue to the cause of the violence. They're not being being battered simply for being women.

There's a lot more women in society than homosexuals. Are you suggesting the abuse, intimidation and prejudice directed at women simply because they are female is more prevalent than the same against homosexuals?

they're not being battered for being women? they are battered due to the situation they're in, which is a wife or girlfriend - positions traditionally only held by women. You are a damn moron if you think men who hit women don't have a pretty low opinion on women in general. and the fact there are a lot more women in society is precisely why it's more prevalent.

I never understand the "not normal" argument surely being attracted to whoever is the most natural thing in the world, what difference does it make if its opposite, same sex or even both.

Or maybe a bit of both?

Personally I can accept people being gay without accepting that it is normal. Whether I'm right or wrong I don't know. I know people who are gay and don't think of them as "gay so-and-so", they're just whoever they are. My biggest gripe is the way that the media in general, and even telly programmes, actively and excessively promote them as being normal and as common as brown dog muck.

why isnt it "normal" like? I dont understand the logic. I dont want to get into the rights and wrongs again, but if one of your kids was homosexual would you class them as not normal?

ripper

i don't know where you're coming from with this not normal stuff.

I never knew anyone who was gay until i was about 18 and even then i was a bit spooked by it, but one accepts that these people are normal, they just chose to live different lifestyles and have different opinions than others, and although this may be contrary to what the majorty view as normal - - ie men like pussy, women like cock - its the other way round, women like pussy, men like cock. it doesn't bother me that i know gays of both persuasions. In fact i know more gays than i do ginger people, does that mean ginger people 'abnormal' too?

what isnt normal to me is men with tits and dicks.

peadophiles.

oh yeah - and cod roe - don't get it.

Move on man, move on.

Great post Katcha.

For a starter try looking up "normal" in the dictionary to confirm that you know exactly what it means.

And as for if my boy turned out to be gay, then you're right, I wouldn't class him as normal either and I'd be wondering what I or somebody else had done to turn him that way.

Like I said above, I can and do accept that people are like that, it doesn't mean that I have to think that it's right.

you wouldn't love him any less though Rip

Damn right I wouldn't Mr Salty.

And that doesn't just apply to my boy either, it'd be the same one of my mates told me that he was that way out, or if you did, or Dibble did etc. There's a world of difference between not liking it and judging people you know by it.

But thats the point isnt it, noone would have done anything at all to "cause" homosexualtiy its that way since birth and thats just a fact of life its not a condition that has a cause and a cure its imbred into the person.

and by your own accounts look in the dictionary, as normal has a point being from the biological sence (point 4 below) of natural occurance, which you find homoseuality is.

nor⋅mal  /ˈnɔrməl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nawr-muhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1. conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
2. serving to establish a standard.
3. Psychology. a. approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment.
b. free from any mental disorder; sane.

4. Biology, Medicine/Medical. a. free from any infection or other form of disease or malformation, or from experimental therapy or manipulation.
b. of natural occurrence.

Do people really think homosexuals choose to be gay?

why would anyone choose to be gay, given the stigma still attached to it in schools and wherever?

presenting it as normal in the media is exactly what is needed because people who are gay (through no fault of their own, imho) need reassurance that they're as normal as anyone. and the bigots among us need to understand that gays are not weirdos who've chosen some depraved sexual orientation as a fashion accessory or attention seeking ploy or whatever.

This pretty much hits the nail on the head for me, if people haven't worked out how this place works after a week or so, they never will.

well yes, sometimes taking the piss out of homosexuals is funny. but there's jokes and then there's people with genuinely outdated and unreasonable views. I think that's what's caused this furore.

Fair enough, I agree and being straight I prefair to take the easy pink rather than the hard brown unless the red is snookering the pink

I've got nothing against poofs myself but what i cant stand is the ones that ram it down your throat(no not in that way)

You see them on tv playing on the fact they are gay and sometimes they step over the line with comments they make for instance i had radio2 on with Ross and he had Rupert Everett on and he was disgusting with the things he was saying.

Also i dont like the ones that bum fellas and sleep with women but apart from that your ordinary queers like Jimmy Somerville and Justin and Colin they are ok

Yes, they are abused because of the situation they are in, not, necessarily, because they are a women. There are not men bombing specific streets in London because it’s a place where women go. In my life, I have not come across anyone with a hatred for women but I have come across a few people with overt homophobia. Proportionately, homosexuals, by far, are more victimised than women.

Does Grabec feel abused?

what about women who like to feed the horse and sleep with blokes?

I dont no what that means but our lass sometimes gives the horses in the field along catcote road some mints. should i be worried

they're the best ones!

The big difference here is what you think and how you're told to think. OK nobody's hiding in the park toilets any more but now we don't have to merely accept it, we have to embrace it with both arms or we're homophobic. Now, they got that wrong in the first place, 99.9% of people didn't care either way, and 99.99% dont now but if you use one of the proscripted words, you're an uneducated animal.

Take swearing. We set aside a few words which describe a sexual act or a reproductive organ, or human waste products and forbid the use of that and call it impolite, which is the main reason there are so many names for what's in your shorts/knickers/tutu/toilet etc. That's absurd because everyone and everything in the planet has one or does one right?? Or three, or whatever if you're Dibble, who is rumoured to have four.

Then we take names for people who are a bit different to the accepted norm and we forbid those words too. Note I said accepted, and persecute accordingly.

Now, I have tons of gay mates and I know, this is going to sound like the 'I have loads of black mates' argument but not one of them gives a second thought to how I term them. More than that they freely barrack each other using the very words that we, as a society, have forbidden each other to use.

My mate Andy. Lives in Birmingham, and like a lot of gay blokes is trimmed, fit and handsome. Girls approach him and he'll as likely say "Sorry love, I'd never get your fanny up me arse."

Now what do we do with that?? he's said fanny. It's 'rude' and 'offensive' but is it OK 'cos he's a gay, not a straight bloke??

The equality movements have fu cked everyone's heads up and now you can't just be tolerant you have to be pro-actively supportive or you're an outcast, or even worse, some kind of -ist.

Time to grow up and stop marginalising everyone, it's really not helping.

Yet another reason why the sceptered isle is absolutely fu cked.

if she goes all cross eyed and sweaty when doing this then yes

I don't think it's about words at all, okay there'd probably be a fuss if Adrian introduced Graham Norton as a 'faggot' on the One Show, but there's always sensitivities about words attatched to historical repression and bigotry.

It's the way you say it, and when you're saying "I'm willing to tolerate it", you're implying that it's something that affects you... it f**king doesn't, so why the need to tolerate it? You need to embrace and support gaydom as much as you support anyone elses relationships... i.e. it's got nowt to do with you.

The sceptered isle is less f**ked than 50 years ago when we were still locking homosexuals up, that's for sure.

@Spender

I think the issue is that it was Mr Ripper that used the word and the context was not one where it was tongue-in-cheek.

He indicated an objection to the BBC trying to normalise homosexual when homosexuality is normal. No-one without a prejudice would object against such a thing.

Question for Mr Spender, what is the attitude to homosexuality in China?

Mr Pepper, respect due, but I never said anything about tongue-in-cheek, I said absurd. On that the back of that absurdity, I said that people are conditioned to automatically shout 'prejudice' at certain stimulus reactions that are programmed in relentlessly.

It's OK to write the Vagina Monologues but if it had been called the Clunt Monologues, it would never have got off the page. We even have a swear filter on here, which I deem absurd as well.

But it's not normal!!!

It can be accepted without being normal, but the media and the pc brigade in this country have spent the last decade trying to convince people that it's normal and now people on here are spouting how normal it is.

Even Compo's post of the definition proves that it's not normal. People choose whether they want to sleep with blokes or not and as has been said that is their choice and their right, but please please please don't try and justify it as being normal!

Try reading the Bible instead of the Gay Times or The Guardian and you'll see that it's not normal.

Laissez-faire Mr Billingham. The lesbians are called 'La-La's' and the blokes are called 'Boy-Ducks.' I buy my cigars off the La-La across the street, La-La Xiao Hei.

Not abused exactly, but I think considerably less of someone like Obafemi, who uses the expression, 'snakes with tits' and, conversely, more of someone like Snowy who has condemned the expression in spite of this being a predominantly male message board. It's to do with being civilised.

Unlike Waldo, I've come across many men who routinely disparage women (it doesn't have to be hate though it might well be.) It's institutionalised, which is possibly why it's not obvious....in many circles it's just 'normal' behaviour. It doesn't bother me because I don't get within barge-pole distance of that sort of bloke, but there are plenty of women who don't have the choice.

Are you saying living by the Bible is normal?

Well the ten commandments wouldn't be a bad start for people to take note of.

Or do you disagree?

That nearly made me spit coffee at my computer screen

What do they make of the Teletubbies then?

living by certain principles contained in the bible isn't wrong, trying to be @Christlike' isn't wrong either.
But i would say taking the bible literally and living every aspect of your life acording to it and whats more someone elses interptretation of it definately is.

I know cos I did most of my life

Soup, mainly, along with all the dogs they've killed and all the people they execute.

I would agree with that statement yes, as for basing your whole life principles on the Bible, no. But thats a different debate for a different thread.

I wish people would stop going on about PC and what 'PC brigades' are supposed to want people to think. Can't you just ignore them, whoever they are, and stop feeling you've to make a stand against them by constantly mentioning homosexuals, niggers, women and all the other minority groups you can think of?

There's something weird about defending your right to make jokes about groups you say you wouldn't have dreamed of making jokes about, but for the 'PC Brigade'.