Compare & contrast...

Turner

P: 58
W: 16
D: 12
L: 30
F: 73
A: 95
Win %: 27.6
Points %: 34.5
Avg. goals scored per game: 1.26
Avg. goals conceded per game: 1.64

Scott

P: 39
W: 11
D: 10
L: 18
F: 42
A: 55
Win %: 28.2
Points %: 36.8
Avg. goals scored per game: 1.08
Avg. goals conceded per game: 1.41

If it were a straight choice I would prefer Turner as the lesser of two evils.

they seem to be cut from the same cloth to me.
I've noticed recently, for whatever reason when Cooper gets mentioned, some people have also been having an odd dig at Cooper, saying he wasn't "all that" because we lost 7 away games on the spin in 04/05 - but guess what? We sharp put that right and hit top gear for 3 solid months after that.
THAT is the difference between a good manager and the other two mentioned in the first post!!!!
I wonder what certain players of the time now think of Cooper's ability if they were really being honest with themselves - and compare that to their own ability since

Won 16 Lost 30!

Fark me!

I've never had a problem with Cooper. He has been our best manager by far. When he was in charge the players looked fitter and looked like they were actually enjoying their football. The Town End was always in full voice - singing and shouting encouragement to the players. It was a good time to be a Pools supporter.

Sadly, off-field activities cost him his job and we have never been able to acheive any similar success.

There was a lot more to it than that but for sure, he didn't help himself. Nevertheless he walked away from Pools with several knives sticking out of his back.

If you look at Turner's record over his first 39 games in this spell with the club, you would see that Scott actually has the best record.
We stopped Scott at 39 games, so why have we given Turner a further 19 and counting.
If Scott had of got 58 games there would have been a murder committed, probably by Parmo.
So why has Turner been given all this leeway and backing when Hodcroft promised us faithfully that it wouldn't be allowed to happen again because lessons had been learned.
The Irony of it all is that Turner was brought in to oversee affairs in order that it wouldn't happen again and yet, he is the very man causing it.
You couldn't make it up.

lessons clearly havent been learnt derwent

Dead right they haven't, Yubey.

I do not want either of them in charge as was said above BUT

If I had to choose one I would for for Scotty. Seriously.

Scotty was new to management and you would expect him to learn from his mistakes. Turner has experience of managing (or trying to) and constantly fails.

Is it really likely that CT will suddenly become a great manager. Is it shiite.

Scotty inherited a relatively small squad and while he did make some bad signings, they were no worse than Turners. people say he turned our team from one which were play-off finalists and made us shiit but I think this would have been likely to happen anyway as sides inevitably get 'found out' at this level. Turner has signed practically a full squad and we still look stuck in a rut and with no fresh ideas.

Scotty signed about 4 players, i think, and lost 2 of the main players which took us to cardiff in boyd and porter.

I'm not for one second saying hey scott was class, it's obvious he wasn't.

Turner has signed 47,000 players since august and i dont really think any of them, barring austin, are really that good*

(Based on fan opinion, and the 2 games i've seen em in this season)

One point about Scott's reign was that the previous season, we had Boyd, Porter & Sweeney scoring for fun - but in his time as permanent manager, these three spent a long time injured, and the players he did sign were poor.

I still think we were right to get rid - but I think Turner doesn't have the excuses of key players being injured for long periods - and had signed twice as many players as Scott did.

Going on stats, we'll finish on 53 points - which is usually enought to avoid relegation, but only just...

Much as I agree he's a decent bloke and no doubt he's hurting over recent results but If Chris Turner remains as manager I cannot see any final position other than one in the bottom four. No manager should be taking 'pride' in a defeat against a team in the same division and that attitude can only instill mediocrity.

some folks still think Pools will avoid the bottom four this season with Turner in charge?
No chance - none whatsoever.
We are going down - get used to it now so that it won't seem like such a smack in the face when the realisation finally dawns on everyone.

Bit misterb and a few others think we are fine and can't even see why people are complaining.

i think we will go down but getting used to it now wont stop it devastating me in may

I'd like to think we wont go down but we will soon be in a scrap to aviod going down.

there you go telling lies again my little sugar plum.

I said i think we will be safe going into the last few games of the season, which is my opinion. I did not say i cant see why people are complaining. I did say turner should be replaced as manager.

Any more kids you want to make up while were on the subject?

Making up KIDS you can go to jail for stuff like that

bloody predictive text!

I can assure you misterb my kids are real, i have birth certificates to prove!!!

Scotty took over a team that was as good as the clubs ever had and destroyed it and had plenty of cash to spend in that summer.

Turner took over a struggling team who already looked set in for a long winter.

It's only fair someone says that because it's true, I'll always like Chris Turner I just don't think he's really up to managing us at this level he doesn't deserve to be compared to that little plumbsack.

Concurring.

We wanted Wilson out but he played attractive football, had us scoring goals and spent next to fuck all money. God knows what he would have done if he was signing 14 players.

Scoring goals, yes.

Attractive football? Do me a favour. It was painful and so were his team selections.

Just cos Turner is struggling now it doesn't mean that Wilson was suddenly great.

Comapred to Turner, he was great.

Yes Tree, I remember that's what you used to say when Wilson was manager.

We couldn't shut you up being all positive and waxing lyrical about the wonderful football we used to play.

It was either that or you used to regularly call him a 'lovely lovely person' I can't really remember.

You never know what you have got till its gone and all that.

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