Butty van late?

carlisle were once a big team,mind it was 30 odd years ago but does it still count?

So did Darlo

exactly.

I actually hate turner. I know its a strong word but anyone who can quash my enjoyment at supporting pools d
eserves hating. fecking loser

I think 15 shots to 3 is quite conclusive in showing charlton deserved to win.if we were playing and had 15 attempts then we would feel pretty hard done by if we lost

I think it's now getting to the point where the dislike of turner is heading towards the hatred shown towards two of the most hated figures in recent years, Garry Gibson and Martin Scott.
For instance during Mr Gibsons final reign season 92/93 the crowd dipped for a saturday to an alarmingly low of 1822.
This was for the visit of Plymouth.
Although I would never stop following pools, unfortunately there's a lot who have vowed not to return until turner has left and for that reason alone to get the crowds back to support the team the manager has to go.

My pride has not been restored.
Turner will still be proud when plucky Pools go down.

Lets face it...............was it really difficult to put in a performance better than last Saturday????

How many points did we get last night??? That's right..............same as Saturday.

I thought the only worthwhile tactic in the Turner book of football management was to put the ball in their net more than they put it in ours........................well, Mr Turner, we didn't.

That's just reminded me, didn't some prick in The Mail write something last night about Pools punching above their weight?

I opened this thread expecting it to be having a go at me.

The title of "pride restored" ? made me think that as I had put something along those words in my match report from last night.

But surprise surprise it a dig at Turner based on what ?????????????????

Other peoples STATS because they give the keyboard warriors some ammunition for their arguments against Turner. Yet when some people agree with Turner (if he said we restored pride on official site or in a quote somewhere, I not seen any yet) those are simply ignored,because it means they disagree with the keyboard warrior(s) who want to shout everybody else down.

This is a go at the management team based on Fook All, yes we lost 2-1 last night but we could have got a point, then the keyboard warrior(s) would have had Fook all to moan about this morning, unless their wife made their porridge wrong.

On saturday after losing to MK , we had people saying things like

" if we get beat but fight I dont mind"

" were's the pride in the shirt"

"we can lose 10-0 but if we fight to the end then I can take it"

Well last night the players FOUGHT, they showed PRIDE in the shirt and they BATTLED till the end.

So they do what everyone was calling for after the shambles of a 5-0 thrashing at home in the next game away, and yet keyboard warriors, and I'll keep saying it keyboard warriors come on here complaining about something they not seen.

And don't say the stats say we were well beat because I was there and I thought we were going to get a point out of the game, yes we were under bit pressure but we were holding them.

So to the keyboard warriors you cant have it both ways you cant say Turner is bad at getting his team prepared and calling for fight pride and passion, then when his team give fight pride and passion still throw insults and that's all they are they unwarranted insults after last night's performance, ok it resulted in defeat but we didn't lay down and die.

Some on here who are now so anti Turner, need to look at themselves in the mirror because 16 month ago they were ecstatic that Wilson was gone and we now had Turner back and they were almost W****** themselves at the thought of it, and some of those who are now so pro Turner back then and are anti Turner now have posted on this thread. Now I'm not saying people don't have the right to changetheir opinions they do but at least have the courage to state something like " I was a supporter of his but not now" before going into simple welcome to the board turner etc etc type posts.

No I'm not Pro Turner, and never was as previous posts of mine state, but at least I don't just throw insults at him based on sitting at home, they're based on what I see on a pitch and not simply because I want him out.And you can't fault his team last night therefore you can't fault him last night.

Maybe some should just have a think before they post. Maybe I should include myself in that as well.

Have you finished polishing your sword like?

So what you are saying, Bob, is that we competed in a football match against a side who are in the same league as us ( on merit I may add).
Nothing wrong with that, because that is what we are supposed to do. The problem I've got is that we are supposed to do it every game.
It seems that the team decides where and when they are going to be bothered. Surely that can't be right. Surely it is the managers job to get the team up for every match. How is it possible for him to do that with his "little old Hartlepool" syndrome. How is it possible to convince his players that it is a level playing field when he bigs up the opposition all the time.
How do you expect the fans to be behind him when, not only is he incapable of motivating the players, but he now criticises the fans at every turn.
The hard fact about last night is that it was another defeat, making it five defeats in a row away from home, making it seven points gained from the last thirty available.
It is going to take more than the word plucky to enthuse me I'm afraid.
Last night's performance was undoubtably an improvement on Saturday but the hard fact is that it yielded the same number of points.
It is a results business and nothing is gained by pluck alone.
Speaking for myself and as one of your keyboard warrior club, I have no faith in the current management team. I have faith in the players ability to compete, as they did last night, but only when they are properly managed and motivated. I suspect last night's stadium and opposition helped in their motivation, as it probably did at Elland Road, rather than anything Turner said.
For Christ's sake it was only last week Turner was going on about a push for the play offs. The man is deluded and the sooner he relinquishes the managerial reins the better.

My point is not that the team competed , that should happen EVERY game.My point is that people come on here and other message boards and just have a go for no reason, if put over their opinions as you have done then they can be debated by everyone.



Now if you had put that argument forward as the original post on this thread my response would have been totally different, you use reason and ask relevant questions. But NO you have to start a thread with



What is it they say, once you resort to swearing your argument is lost, well there is no argument there and nothing to put over a point of view it's abuse of a person for no other reason that you want to abuse him. I don't have a problem with people airing their views but some sort of constructive debate helps.

We can all put up posts like the above but what does it actually achieve ???

I don't want Turner in charge so in a way agree with ADG but I saw an improvement last night (it couldn't be worse) Now although we lost I see no point in putting up posts saying the same old thing, i.e Turner out, but look for some positives to show the player's we know they can do it and we will support them if they show us they can do it.

For Christ's sake if I wanted to watch a team play exciting football every week, win more than they lose, would I still be following Pools after all these years. I would have a premiership shirt and sit in a pub watching my team when they on Sky or walk around town in my colours saying look at me I support a premiership side and say to people why do you watch Pools they S***e save your money. I choose not to do that, I choose to watch Pools but give criticism when it warranted, but at least give some praise when that warranted. I'm sure if the player's read praise from fan's after a game it may just help them the next.

I CAN fault him . We LOST FFS!!!!! We opted for a very defensive formation and got what we deserved - feck all! I did not go to the game (You would have to be mad to after saturdays game) but from what Ive read from 'neutral' reports, we deserved to lose.

One performance of showing 100% effort doesnt restore pride in any way shape or form. Thats a complete shower of shiit.

Do you think the loids restored pride by by only getting beat by a solitary goal following us drubbing them 3-0 at their place? Will it heck.

pride will be restored when we start playing well on a regular basis and actually deserving points from games.

We are in a completely false position in the league. Other sides must look at the league table and wonder how the heck we are as high as we are given that we have played shiit for most the season apart from a few good games.

Turner has a full squad to choose from yet still gets it all wrong time after time. There wont be any pride until we get shot of him. We lost a lot of pride by reappointing some loser with his tail between his legs who walked out on us years ago as no other club would employ him.

[/quote]I CAN fault him . We LOST FFS!!!!! We opted for a very defensive formation and got what we deserved - feck all! I did not go to the game (You would have to be mad to after saturdays game) but from what Ive read from 'neutral' reports, we deserved to lose.

One performance of showing 100% effort doesnt restore pride in any way shape or form. Thats a complete shower of shiit.

Do you think the loids restored pride by by only getting beat by a solitary goal following us drubbing them 3-0 at their place? Will it heck.

pride will be restored when we start playing well on a regular basis and actually deserving points from games.

We are in a completely false position in the league. Other sides must look at the league table and wonder how the heck we are as high as we are given that we have played shiit for most the season apart from a few good games.

Turner has a full squad to choose from yet still gets it all wrong time after time. There wont be any pride until we get shot of him. We lost a lot of pride by reappointing some loser with his tail between his legs who walked out on us years ago as no other club would employ him.[/quote]

Once more I wont disagree with that as silly as it seems, you give reasons why you blame Turner for last night's result, based on what you have read. It's called opinions and you have based your opinion on some facts you have read, but I stick by my point that the original post on this thread was simply abuse, based on nothing, if it was then ADG would have put those reasons in the original post. Not just called Turner a loser and told him to welcome to the board. I'm all for debate but to debate then points of view need to be known.

Once more most know I'm not a Turner fan as such but abuse, for no other reason except to be "heard" is wrong. We can all do it, but that doesn't mean it right. I have agreed with the ADG when he used reason and debate, though I still say his original post achieved nothing. I think I may go around in circles trying to point that out and there really is no point in saying the same thing over and over again on the same thread, so I'll leave it at that.

Opinions will differ that what a message board is all about, and I'm not saying people should stop from giving them opinions I just think ADG could have put his case better than way he did when he started this thread.

Maybe i should do exactly the same now and again...................come to think about it I probably have

I am the same right now. its sometimes hard to be constructive when you feel so pissed off re something.


ps, cheers for the above response bob. I wasn't meaning to have a go at you, I'm just needing to vent my anger right now.

with all this venting going off where is POK when you need him?

Can you all stop hitting 'quote.'

The whole place is full of repeated comments.

It's like buying a roll of wallpaper just to see the pattern over a foot length.

Concurring.

I agree too

Im with you on that

That doesn't run in the family.