Lo all.


Firstly sorry for my crap typing, I have a keyboard that is low on batteries and its missing key presses and im too lazy to go back and change things.


I always check Forums of teams we are about to play/played against and I couldnt help myself registering after reading a few threads.

Firstly, a couple of things we can agree on-

1- Stewarding at Elland Road is a disgrace. None of us are sure how they get away with it. Its been bad for a long time but this season we are also blighted by the purple vested 'Response Team' (at least thats wht it says on their back). The people obviously pretend they are guarding the president when they sleep at night and have massive illusions of granduer. Somebody should tell them that they are working as a bloody steward on Boxing day for a few extra quid while most normal people are enjoying their hard earned money. You just KNOW they tell people down he pub they used to be in the SAS (but cant talk about it) They are utter twats and the subbject is on Leeds forums again and again.

2- Officials in League1 are pathetic. The referees and Linesmen are the ones that were crap at football at school....never got picked but still have an interest in the game...and they arnt even very good at what they are doing, hence Lague one. The referees are so obviously not people who have played football..they just dont see things that happen on the pitch....that actual players of football recognise for what they are. The Linesmen are a waste of space. They wait for he ball to go out the wait for the ref to point one way or another and put their flag up to match him. they NEVER see anything off the ball and bring it to the refs attention (In this i feel sorry for league one Refs). Regards offsde decisions, im convinced some of them need to check the rulebooks (seriously). I can name several occasions where your Keeper 'stole' about 10-15 yards at free kicks right infront of us...but we all know the Linesmen are simply not interested.

Thats where our agreement ends im afraid...while I agree the Officials were crap at ER on Boxing day....im pretty much sure that some of the posters on here A- Didnt go to the game and are jumping on the 'HUFC were robbed by the Ref' bandwagon and B- that those of you that went to the game were judjing the Officials with blinkers on.

In the complaints of the Officials I have seen (some of them justified) I have yet to see a reference on here or on your official match report of incidents that blatantly went against LEeds. Can any1 explain why Beckford wasnt given penalty in the first half? He was about to shoot (and probably miss) when his foot was clearly taken from him in a crap challenge. The main one tho....one of the worst tackles I have seen in ages on Patrick Kinorbo in the second half. It was down in the far corner from your away support so I can maybe understand why YOU didnt see it...but the Officials????? Your guy came storming in at thich height with no other intention than 'hitting him' with both legs. It was a straight Red card offence...absolute end of.

The officials are crap, but please...they are crap for both teams make no mistake.


I will no doubt get a barrage of abuse telling me the ref was bent and he 'wouldnt dare give the visitors decisions'....but its simply not true. The Offiials are uncapable.


Good luck for the2nd half of the season.

Andy


Marching on Together

a relatively balanced view,but as i wasn't there cant comment either way, but the sooner you's march the welcome to the board together the better!!

i was at the game agree with some points but the thigh high tackle as far as im concerened he shouild of broke his legs now feck off and support your home town team

I do support my home town team thanks.

Maybe your fans complaining about stewarding to the FA should include points of view /posts like yours for reference sake eh?

You blather about Leeds scum and post crap like this about breaking peoples legs? Any 'fan' wanting to see players with leg breaking tackles deserves what hey get to be honest (I think thats something most fans can agree on too)

ok agree bout breaking of legs (have just woke up)even you agree your stewards are a disgrace and since when is preston in leeds?

Ah no worries. Yes our stewards are a disgrace (and now even worse are the 'Response Team'. We hate our stewards as much as away fans do I assure you.

I understand now re home town. Preston is my name ;p (I live in Sheffield but born in Leeds)

Going to Elland road is the worst away day experience available in this country. Of that I am absolutely certain. Another thing I'm certain of is that I will never ever set foot in elland road ever again.
Peter Eustace said that three offside decisions were given against us in the first half, none of which were offside. Mr Preston can ask the wednesday fans who he is.
Beckford apparently ( I use apparently as Mr Preston must have been cleaning his rose coloured specs at the time) pushed his hands into Austin's face ( also a red card offence) and wasn't even spoken to.
I didn't expect to get anything from our visit to hell ( referencing the hostility of leeds scum who pose as fans and the nasty bullying tactics of stewards encouraged by the bates led club).
I hope the scum get promoted and I hope the scum get their come uppance and all this gets stopped as true travelling football fans should not be subjected to this behaviour.

McSweeney should've

So should the guy who slapped Austin.

The thigh high tackle was a result of the ref not giving a free kick against your player almost raping Sweeney for the ball. Yes it was a bad tackle but it was a result of the incompetance of the ref in the first place.

As for the penalty I cant remeber any of your players appealing for this and we should of had a penalty for your players handball from a cross in the first half. It was exactly the same situation when you got your first free kick but no your Leeds so you dont get shit like that happening.

So in effect, what you are saying is 'yes, the league one referees are shite'?

There were incidents all over the pitch that the officials either didnt act upon, or acted incorrectly upon....and it went for and against both sides.


Why did your player plough into our Keepers as he took a kick (he got a yellow), was that also 'just' retribution for something and therefore excused?


All I cna comment on is that your official site seems to paint a picture of one sided referee that swung the game....and it simply wasnt true as any level headed HUFC fan who actually went would probably agree after the heat of the moment.....in the second half Leeds started to pass th eall around with HUFC players not getting near the ball (btw in reference to the thigh high and two foited tackle...do you honestly think it was nothign to do with your players not having touched the ball for while and every LEeds pass getting cheered?.....its not nice thing to have done to you (its happened to Leeds before as it happens to everyone at some point).

Your player went in out of anger and with intent....he should have walked, it was a leg breaker....which im sure you agree we can do without?

At that point in the game the Leeds players werent getting cheered that started after this incident. The player did go in with intent to hurt him all I can fault him for is not actually doing it but it was due to the imcompetence of the ref not because our players didnt touch the ball. Our players didnt touch the ball for longer periods at Huddersfield in the second half there we were completely out played but there were no high tackles. So basically your point is crap it was due to the poor refereeing the same thing happens every time we play you at your place the least you could do is accept the fact that the refs give you everything.

Except a red card for your player...which you admit he deserves....but you still think we got everything?

What a strange way to back up your arguemet.

Seen the Leeds penalty incident on the net yet? Watch watch that and claim we got everything.


The refs and officials are crap at this level....we have had to put up with some unaceptable stuff (as do all teams).

Cant believe some of the comments on this thread!! Even if the ref is the shittest one in the world that does not excuse any player going into a tackle intending to hurt a player. Any player who does that should be banned for a long time, never mind a red or yellow card. A good example is Ben Thatcher. If more players got punished via video evidence then it would clean up the game no end. Maybe then the referees could concentrate more on getting the basics right.

The tackle wasn't right, it was a red card.

I could see it coming a mile off. I would have done it when I was 13/14. But it still doesn't make it right.

Haven't seen Leeds' penna but if it is I'll give you that. I also feel we could have had a penna for a much more obvious handball than Austin's (which I don't believe was)

But it doesn't take away the fact that I feel that both Leeds first two goals were caused by refereeing mistakes.

What's done is done. We cannot live in the past. Let's all move on. We'll make a march into the play-offs and join you in the championship next season (I'm hoping for a small miracle btw)

What would concern me most - just in passing - is that the Hartlepool Team which played yesterday was the poorest I have seen at ER over the 3 years we have been in Div 3. The ref let an awful lot go yesterday - for both teams - and as I've never been in the cheese wedge with the away support I have no idea what the stewards are like in there. On the kop they never bother me so I always wonder what all the fuss is about - we stand all game where I have my season ticket and they never interfere. Some fans see them as the enemy mindst and post endless threads about them for some reason. I often wonder if some fans actually watch the game.

Truth is we were worth our 2 goal victory and more besides yesterday. And surely that and not the stewards/ref is the real issue.

I still wonder why you parted company with Wilson. First year down your side played lovely football and could easily have taken all the points. Yesterday that never looked likely.

And don't count your chickens - we have a habit of cocking up big time. I don't think it will happen this time but who knows. You may be back at ER next year

Worth your 2 goals?? You could not put it in the net without help from the ref let's not go down that route, and the chants of scum you got yesterday are quite justified.. Your fishing for a bite you got one now f00k off out of our league and look forward to your cup final with Manure

I wish we still had Danny Wilson in charge.
Unbelievably some fans on here didn't like him.
We always seem to sack our successful managers.
Or they are hounded out by fickle fans.

Back to the bad tackle incident - our player is one that wears his heart on his sleeve - and went in with sheer frustration at another blatent foul on one of our players not given by the ref. Yes, agree it was bad, and probably deserved a red, but as said - it was sheer frustration - not malice.

The incident later when 3 players were booked - this highlighted the uselessness of the officials - many saw hands raised and some receiving yellow cards were very lucky they weren't red.

Stewards - words fail me again - no ID on them - makes me wonder if they are legal!

Re the Stewards. TRied contacting HUFC?

Thats where you bought the tickets for the match (Id guess) and although its not tehir fault, might they be obliged to investigate?

I've sent e-mails to quite a look of places. Pools, LUFC, FA, Football League and also let the Football Supporters Federation know.

A great post!

The stewards yesterday were nothing but bullies, the one in the black jacket wants to be sacked the way he was pushing and pulling a teenager proberbly about fifteen year old. But then of course when the adults had a go at him the he got the police to defend him when he was the on completely out of order.

Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year.

I seem to miss any juicy stuff outside the ground (thankfully) so I'm always surprised when I see posts like yours mad john. I walk past Billy Bremner, the visitors car park (the way things are going you'll be able to park on someone's drive next visit) and MacDonalds etc on the way back to the car and the only trouble I can recall is Millwall. Shame cos a good away following helps to make the atmosphere.

Anyway best of luck for the rest of the season. Good to know the Leeds hate is as strong as ever

Have to disagree with you there MJ (seems like I'm doing a lot of that today).

But ALL stewards are responsible for the HEALTH & SAFETY of all supporters within the confines of a football stadium. If a steward sees something wrong regardless of where in the ground it is(whether his/her areas or not) then under the HEALTH & SAFETY ACT 1974 section 3 states (and this not verbatim )

"employers ensure, as far as reasonably practicable the safety of persons other than employees, for example, the general public"

that will cover fans in a stadium, so as an employee of LUFC or any football club he has to act otherwise him and the football club are liable. Another part does state they have to be competent.

I have to admit that on at least two occasions when a steward (cant remember the grounds) replied to me that he wasn't responsible for other part's of the ground, I replied with confidence and an apparent knowledge of the subject (though did admit to mates it was BULLS***,though not complete bullsh** some knowledge did help.) That the Health and Safety at work act 1974 meant he WAS responsible for safety within the whole ground and if anything happened to anyone while I was in the ground I would make a statement to the Police and courts if necessary that I HAD POINTED OUT WHAT I CONSIDERED A DANGEROUS OCCURRENCE i.e. home fans standing. And that he was failing in his duties to ensure their safety was met. Therefore under another part of the act, maybe common law negligence or if death occurred, the club he was working for could be liable to corporate manslaughter along with him as he had been informed. He quickly walked off and we never heard from him again during the game. still a little bull but quite possible.

Though going back I still believe a steward is responsible for the whole ground not just a section. he can't turn his back (relatively speaking) if he is told something, do it politely and just quote UNDER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AT WORK ACT 1974, you do get a change of attitude.

One day when I've had enough of Pools I'll carry on standing get a banning order so got excuse for not going.

Not the place to debate this but clubs don't do anything - directors do; director's who are only ever passing through. We are left with the reputation and Ridsdale is left chasing promotion to the Premier League. All the hate, unfortunately, means it's self perpetuating - you hate us - we respond - you hate us even more - we respond, and so it goes on. Personally I don't hate any club although seeing one or two lose makes me smile. Would, for instance, normally back any Yorks club to survive/gain promotion but you have to laugh at Hull and their oh so cocky manager. Beyond that I don't care what anyone else does - it's their business. I don't even hate the mancs simply looking forward to a good day out. Hate will only eat you up . . . . peace to all men

Be happy

Same old story that comes about every time we visit Elland Road.

Nothing new to see here.

You tend to find directors and chairman tend not to want to 'harrass' visiting fans on the way out of the ground, blaming the 'boardroom' for all your ills is a bit sad really. Leeds fans have had this toxic mix of inferiority complex and the 'cock that crows' attitude for many a year and I can go back to the sixties on that one. Nowt new there so to speak. Maybe other fans just 'hate' you (such an emotive self pitying turn of phrase) because you're not very nice ... and apparently have to blame someone, anyone but yourselves.

phew!
thought there was going to be a game of footy on no mans land for a second there!!

It's a mine field.

Best post in this thread..............by a country mile.