Seriously be considering bringing a new manager in.

It's November and we're out of all cup competitions, so our only aim is the league. Now we're all know we aren't going to win it unless we better our 23 game unbeaten run.

A new man with new ideas may just get a little more out of the players we have.

Fans who are disillusioned may get new hope from a change.

To me Turner is reaching the point of no return, and that is taking into account we have had a reasonable start to the season, but to me, he showed a total lack of any sort of tactical awareness on Saturday and his substitutions were astonishing to me. And yes Boyd and Behan were both playing badly, but a young lad in his first season wasn't the answer when we were chasing the game.

In football you will get results like Saturday, but there has been just to many of them particularly at the Vic , under Turner the second time around. This is not a vendetta against Turner, and if replies are fortcoming on the thread, I hope it doesnt turn into one. Both sides of the argument should be heard without vilifying people who think he should stay.

I said I would support him while in charge, I have done that now with about a third of the season gone, a new man now will have time to look at who he has, who he wants and who he doesnt, meaning come January any changes he feels necessary can be made.

Also any change now will not be a knee jerk reaction, Turner has been in charge 11 months and is still only in a "caretaker" role as far as I know, the club has not stated he is the manager.

Im not simply inferering we need a change simply because we lost to non league opposition on Saturday. Its based on the fact that prior to Saturday Turner had been in charge for a total of 46 games,yes I know that includes cup games but the fact is that 46 games is a complete season.

Would we have avoided relegation with his record in those 46 games. Well we would have reached exactly 50 points

Played 46 Won 13 Drew 11 Lost 22

So how often would 50 points have kept a team up in the last 10 seasons in our current division. If we look at the last 10 seasons for League 1 (Division 2 as it was also called), we see the following.....

Season 98/99 GOAL DIFFERENCE SETTLES LAST RELEGATION SPOT
Season 99/00 STAY UP
Season 00/01 RELEGATED
Season 01/02 STAY UP
Season 02/03 GOAL DIFFERENCE SETTLES LAST RELEGATION SPOT
Season 03/04 RELEGATED
Season 04/05 RELEGATED
Season 05/06 RELEGATED
Season 07/08 STAY UP
Season 08/09 STAY UP

6 of the 10 seasons 50 points is RELEGATION.

It to close a call to give Turner very much longer in my opinion. As i previously wrote , this is not a knee jerk reaction from me, the stats under Turner as they stand now seem to point , although some will disagree to a possible relegation fight,(I know we're 11th at moment), but the away wins will become harder, next 8 away games are...

Huddersfield, Carlisle, Southend, Leeds, Charlton, Bristol Rovers, Norwich ,Southampton, who can really see a large return of points there.

And if we dont turn our home form around, the next 8 games are...

Orient, Southampton, Millwall,Yeovil ,Oldham, Gillingham, Mk, Leeds.

Yes we would still have 15 games left and the teams we have left will be close to us and possibly in a bottom 4 position, but can we risk knowing that some of those games may well be MUST WIN games.

You could actually say because of those next 16 games give Turner longer, they are difficult , and that once we start to play the teams who we "expect" to be near the bottom then is the time to decide if he goes or stays depending on the results against those teams. Problem with that, in my opinion is it may just be too late.

So from me, Thanks Chris, but please move back upstairs, return to your Director of Sport position and bring someone in to run the football side.

Excellent post

I agree on everything apart from the last point.

Let him find a job elsewhere. Why should he be given a cushty number as "Director of sport".

Comfort zone my fooking arse.

I agree with that post. I dont see it as a gamble replacing CT now whoever we replace him with. I dont think any 'manager' could get the current squad of players playing any worse (apart from Scotty maybe but then his record is about the same as CT's).

The squad is good, not brilliant but good. Anyone with half a clue could get them playing well.

We seem to be going through the motions right now and persisting with CT will just result in lower and lower crowds. Ken needs to act now IMO.

amazed at turners comments on radio saturday evenig.
claiming they had a game plan and he was happy it worked.
what sort of game plan sees your team twatted by non league opposition
i would suggest the plan most definitely DID NOT WORK
long overdue is the appointment of a manager for the club
then c t can go back to being the moneyspiders office boy

Excellent post

I agree on everything apart from the last point.

Let him find a job elsewhere. Why should he be given a cushty number as "Director of sport".

Comfort zone my fooking arse.

Rewarded for producing rubbish.

sorry if i gave the impression that i wanted him back
as office boy i certainly dont .
the supposition is that moneyspider will
move him there if and when they see sense and
appoint a manager

i still dont understand this whole "we dont want him as director of sport" thing.

Why not?

because people assume he won't be able to keep his kneb out of team affairs

an assumption based on what though?

Because we dont need a DOS it undermines the managers position to have DOS over looking his every move.
CT feet are well under the table and IMO there is a clique at the club that is not benefiting the club or the team.
Dont know how true it is but CT has brought in another pal in Peter Eustace as scout.

On the other hand misterb, can you prove he doesnt but into team affairs when in the DOS role?

I personally dont like it, it isn't essential and is a wage that can be spent on a player, or a coach, or more people on the flipping beer tent to get the ques down.

If ken wants a sodding school report from every single game just read the bbc.

i know that special k is a regular spitter of dummy's but is'nt it because he had dennis the menace looking over his shoulder he done one,so turner if he moved upstairs would have a similar job as wise had

a fair point however he is paid by ior and not pools.

I dont think we particularly need one however if ior decide they want one i dont see why it should bother anyone too much. Unless of course he was "abusing his power", Which there is absolutely no suggestion of from anyone in the club.

Whats the difference of being paid by pools or by ior?

Ior own pools so give money to pools to pay people, so anyone paid by pools is paid by ior.

It's just different pots of money but essentially comes from the same source.

Half the point is that Uncle Ken doesn't want to be stuck behind a desk in Clarence Road all the time running a football company. He wants to be in Aberdeen running an oil company. He makes more money that way. Therefore there has to be someone to make the day to day decisions that UK doesn't want to be arsed with. It just so happens that that bloke at the moment is wearing two hats.

And his team are playing like them.

Correct on both counts sir.

It's a shame that the burning torch brigade fail to see things so clearly.

I still dont understand why we need a Director of Sport. Surely the footballing decisions are made by the team manager and the financial decisions by the Chief Executive.

In that case spender you could employ somone non football related to carry out them matters, if it's just everyday running, crossing t's and dotting i's, why does that need to be turner?

It doesn't at all, his role is pointless, about 87 clubs in the football league survive without a director of sodding fuck all.

Do they?

Or do they have other directors whose title doesn't include the word "sport"?

I believe that Pools board is relatively small for a football club, so maybe hold off lighting that torch just yet eh?

It's already lit, sorry.

And Snowy is away?! He'll be gutted!

I used the self service tills in morrisons to buy it too.