ok so people are not happy with Turners time in charge.

Chip says (and i agree with him) that colin west should be given a chance.

So if he was given the managers job, full control on decisions etc, would you be happy?

And if not, why not?

Fresh start, new manager.

Frankly though i'm sick of pools changing managers, it seems every season we have a new guy in charge.

isnt it unfair to assume that west doesnt have different ideas from turner?

fair point. But if i find out that turner and west are purposely playing long ball then i will poke them both in the eye.

I agree with Dibble to be honest. Both Turner and West are responsible for the current performances so if we were to get a new manager then we need fresh ideas.

I would happily have a manager with a decent record in non league football for the remainder of the season. The manager who comes in (in the short term at least) will not need to sign many players. We simply need someone who knows what he is doing 'tactically' with the players given to him. The squad we have should be doing better than it currently is.

A manager from part-time or non league who knows the game and gets his sides to play the 'right' way would probably achieve more than CT would.

can i just point out that this thread was aimed at the turner outers asking what they though of west as a viable candidate if they got their wish and got turner removed. I certainly will be giving turner more time to prove that the last week was a mere blip.

After scotty was in charge will pools ever promote from within again?

I'm not a fan of promoting number 2's to the big job, mclaren, kidd, adams, scott etc etc good examples of bad managers but decent assistants.

someone like John Still would sort it out...he's been a success in every one of his jobs with no money - but whether he would come this far norf to a lower league management job is open to debate

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From the Mad Crowd

Managers
list | gallery
Name From To P W D L F A %W %Pts
Chris TURNER + 15-Dec-2008 ---- 43 11 10 22 52 68 25.6 33.3
Danny WILSON 13-Jun-2006 15-Dec-2008 133 58 29 46 199 166 43.6 50.9
Paul STEPHENSON + 01-Feb-2006 13-Jun-2006 16 3 8 5 15 20 18.8 35.4
Martin SCOTT 04-May-2005 01-Feb-2006 39 11 10 18 42 55 28.2 36.8
Neale COOPER 26-Jun-2003 04-May-2005 110 48 26 36 180 147 43.6 51.5
Mike NEWELL 21-Nov-2002 30-May-2003 29 13 9 7 42 36 44.8 55.2
Colin WEST + 07-Nov-2002 21-Nov-2002 2 1 1 0 3 2 50 66.7
Chris TURNER 24-Feb-1999 07-Nov-2002 193 82 47 64 266 220 42.5 50.6
Brian HONOUR # + 18-Jan-1999 24-Feb-1999 7 2 1 4 8 14 28.6 33.3
Paul BAKER # + 18-Jan-1999 24-Feb-1999 7 2 1 4 8 14 28.6 33.3
Mick TAIT 04-Nov-1996 18-Jan-1999 115 33 36 46 149 169 28.7 39.1
Keith HOUCHEN 20-Apr-1995 04-Nov-1996 75 20 17 38 80 123 26.7 34.2
David MCCREERY 01-Aug-1994 20-Apr-1995 46 10 10 26 41 84 21.7 29
John MACPHAIL 24-Nov-1993 09-Sep-1994 36 7 6 23 32 74 19.4 25
Viv BUSBY 15-Feb-1993 24-Nov-1993 42 9 10 23 32 61 21.4 29.4
Alan MURRAY 17-Jun-1991 15-Feb-1993 97 39 24 34 122 125 40.2 48.5
Cyril KNOWLES 01-Nov-1989 17-Jun-1991 90 41 18 31 138 132 45.6 52.2
Bobby MONCUR 02-Nov-1988 27-Nov-1989 61 14 14 33 65 130 23 30.6
John BIRD 01-Nov-1986 01-Oct-1988 102 35 29 38 110 130 34.3 43.8
Billy HORNER * 01-Dec-1984 01-Nov-1986 100 32 22 46 125 157 32 39.3
Mike DOCHERTY 01-Jun-1983 15-Dec-1983 22 1 7 14 13 40 4.5 15.2
John DUNCAN 01-Apr-1983 14-Jun-1983 9 3 1 5 10 14 33.3 37
Billy HORNER * 01-Oct-1976 31-Mar-1983 343 106 82 155 423 554 30.9 38.9
Ken HALE 01-Jun-1974 01-Oct-1976 119 39 31 49 146 187 32.8 41.5
Len ASHURST 01-Mar-1971 01-Jun-1974 164 50 41 73 162 208 30.5 38.8
John SIMPSON 01-May-1970 01-Mar-1971 33 5 9 19 26 49 15.2 24.2
Gus MCLEAN 01-May-1967 30-Apr-1970 149 48 41 60 155 216 32.2 41.4
Brian CLOUGH 29-Oct-1965 01-May-1967 84 37 13 34 125 126 44 49.2
Geoff TWENTYMAN 01-Jun-1965 19-Oct-1965 14 4 2 8 17 28 28.6 33.3
Alvan WILLIAMS 01-Feb-1964 31-May-1965 68 21 18 29 90 128 30.9 39.7
Bob GURNEY 01-Apr-1963 31-Jan-1964 45 9 11 25 48 94 20 28.1
Allenby CHILTON 01-Jul-1962 01-Apr-1963 35 5 7 23 43 78 14.3 21
Bill ROBINSON 01-Nov-1959 30-Jun-1962 125 27 24 74 162 285 21.6 28
Ray MIDDLETON 01-May-1957 01-Nov-1959 116 38 26 52 190 220 32.8 40.2
Fred WESTGARTH 01-Aug-1943 01-Feb-1957 510 207 99 204 739 746 40.6 47.1
Jimmy HAMILTON 01-Jul-1935 30-Sep-1943 195 65 47 83 283 353 33.3 41.4
Jackie CARR 01-Apr-1932 01-Apr-1935 135 55 22 58 284 303 40.7 46.2
Bill NORMAN 01-Aug-1927 01-Apr-1931 164 53 27 84 270 348 32.3 37.8
Jack MANNERS * 01-Jun-1924 31-Jul-1927 136 46 29 61 207 235 33.8 40.9
Davy GORDON 01-Jul-1922 31-May-1924 85 20 23 42 96 129 23.5 32.5
Cecil POTTER 01-May-1920 01-Jul-1922 88 42 17 29 144 100 47.7 54.2
Jack MANNERS * 01-Aug-1913 01-May-1920 133 55 33 45 244 172 41.4 49.6
Percy HUMPHREYS 25-Jun-1912 31-May-1913 43 19 6 18 79 73 44.2 48.8
Fred PRIEST 01-Aug-1908 31-May-1912 145 68 37 40 311 179 46.9 55.4

%W = percentage of games won
%Pts = percentage of points won, assuming 3 for a win and 1 for a draw regardless of the competition.

* Jack Manners and Billy Horner both had two spells in charge of the club
# Brian Honour and Paul Baker were jointly in charge
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But Mike Newall sued the bunker members didnt he?

I thought it was Rivals' members

you do realise that we have more chance of getting mourinho who in turn would sign rooney, gerrard & messi than get cooper back dont you?

Besides he would most probably 'do a turner' if he did.

Surely the good of Pools is more important then past misdemeanors
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No I'm not his love child

but it doesnt work like that. If we sacked him it must have been for good reason. And i would doubt if either party would welcome a reunion!

Mick Docherty's stats take some beating.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight indeed..................

Id rather have Humphreys in charge than Turner.

I wouldnt mind West to be given a chance but I have a feeling that if we appointed from outside the club, how happy would they be with Turner hovering above them?

As chip has said in his post CT record as a manager since he walked out on pools is shocking and why people think its going to change is beyond me over the last few months Lambert and Bothroyd have joined clubs at our level shame we missed them.
West will always be in CT shadow so he is not the answer leave CT in control till a suitable contender can be found and make the changes.
But i would go a step further and remove CT from the club it has become an old pals club now in my opinion.

Time to run and hide methinks!

I get the feeling we are wasting our breaths even discussing this.

IOR have backed Turner to the tune of 12 players, Hodcroft obviously trusts him and wants him to get on with the job. I don't see this changing while we are mid to lower mid table in League One. The only way it would happen is if Turner said "look I'm not really up to this Ken" which lets be honest isn't going to happen is it? Even though his current record in his second spell is worse than that of Keith Houchen.

As for Colin West, I don't know. We don't know what happens behind the scenes or really how good a coach he is, we've had our fingers burnt on this one in the past. A lot of people (including me) thought Martin Scott deserved a chance and that was a huge mistake that set us back years. One things for sure though the entertainment levels at the Vic couldn't get much lower than they are currently.

We don't need a director of sport, very few clubs at our level, or the top level, even have them.

waste of a wage.

I wouldn't opt for Colin West if Turner was to go back upstairs.
My reason is, quite simply, that everywhere Turner has turned up Westy has followed. To me that means that West backs and believes in Turners tactics and style of management.
So unless Westy has a different style of play to Turner tucked up his sleeve, we would expect more of the same. If Westy doesn't agree with Turner's tactics or ability to manage at this level then he sure must be one frustrated cookie, having watched Turner's teams perform over the last 180 (courtesy of Chip) games.
I think they are much of a muchness so, no I wouldn't give the job to West should Turner vacate it.
I would however give West a chance to prove himself if IOR decided to give him a go. It is after all their decision.

it became apparent to ior a few years ago that hodcroft didnt have enough time to do both his own job and that of a chairman of hufc. They decided to appoint turner to overlook things, ease uncle kens workload a bit and write all the reports that ior like to be written after every match.

In my opinion the DoS role is needed and that Turner is perfect for that role.

Chris Turner: nice bloke, good with the fans but has unfortunately achieved the sum total of sod all at a selection of clubs.
Colin West: As above.

Despite this the vast majority of the fans would love him to succeed. Unlike Newell who did succeed but was hated. Unlike Wilson who did succeed but was hated.

The truth is that we are far too demanding of this club. We expect championship level football on league 2 level attendances. We have a group of journeymen players and the odd rough diamond. That said, our tactics are not currently playing to the strengths of the players we have and thats down to the manager.

Turner has shown in the past that he will listen and hopefully he will listen again. Maybe, just maybe, he seen that nice tippy tappy football almost got us relegated last season so is trying something different.

Irrespective of what we might think, I don't think CT is leaving anytime soon so we had better get behind him.

I agree with a lot of what you say Mr I, but we didn't play 'tippy tappy' football last season we just couldn't defend, we had no full backs and no keepers. That has improved but as a result we've stopped playing to our attacking strengths, what's the point in not playing the ball into the feet of players like James Brown and Adam Boyd? Even Behan is better with ball played into his feet.

I'd personally rather watch some of the 3-3, 5-3, and even 2-3 games from last year again rather than the utter dross we watched on Friday. We didn't even try to play football.

If 5-3 and 7-6 wins were guarenteed then I'm sure we'd all love to watch that. Unfortunately we tended to lose more than we won. Last season as you say we had to score three to get a point. Personally I'd rather watch us grind out a load of boring wins.

There has never been a successful team in history with a poor defence. I suspect thats CT's number one priority, once thats sorted he can build from there. Solid defence first, if you don't concede many, you don't lose many.

But this new style has seen us take 13 points from 12 games.

If we continued the same trend throughout the season we finish on 50 points, the same as last year!!

We are no better off it's just worse to watch, as the dwindling attendances suggest.

Strongly disagree. God only knows why we need to pay someone a massive sum just to write reports on games. Can't they just read the Bunker/Mail/Echo where there are always a number of cleverly put opinions on the game

And why is Turner 'perfect for the role', he has the tactical nous of a snail. I'd rather have chip evaluating the games.

No other teams at our level have someone, I'd rather put the money towards a decent centre midfielder

Disagree, we didn't fail last season because we overplayed football. We did badly because put in god awful defensive performance week in week out.

Turner has done well in addressing the problem this summer with some sound additions (after neglecting it like a numpty for the 7 months previous) yet he is cocking up massively in other areas

totally agree we have no need for a dos use the wages on players as iv said before i dont believe in going back fresh manager needed now

I hate your guts, but i agree with you there.

Why does a fooking report need to be written? It's a football club not a school.

Aye, point taken but new systems take time to bed in. If true this will take time for the players to get used to it. Cup games aside we've been tight at the back (steady OO). At the current rate we will concede 27 fewer goals that we did last year, surely that can only be a good thing.

We're not scoring as many clearly but with a solid defence, once the midfield and forward line is settled we should be able to kick on.

not having a clown in goal certainly helps with the goals against column... if ALB or Budtz had still been playing the goals conceded would definitely have been a lot higher, they were so bad they couldn't be relied upon to save a single shot at goal.

agree with your comments but if ct continues to change forward line as he has done then they never guna settle

He's made some excellent saves.

For example I think the goal last week against Grimsby was the first we've conceded from a direct free kick season, everyone that ALB faced last season went into the back of the net.

Turner still gets the credit though for signing him though.

but the dos position is much more than writing a report. It is the link between the manager and the constantly 'away on business' chairman. Its for that very reason that the martin scott situation developed. And so ior decided to pay for a person to 'cover' whilst the chairman is away.

sorry cant agree we got russ green there everyday its a job for the boys FACT

So what does Mr Green do at pools then.

by the sounds of things very little

all the diy jobs doesnt he?

I may have actually forgot about him

What does that mcrae geezer do?

Bri is spot on jobs for the boys

Please do give over

How to ruin a decent thread.....

hows it ruined

What has Russ Green got to do with the way Pools are playing?!? It's spouting off about the club for the sake of it.

We have made massive strides as a club in the last ten years and Russ Green is one of the reasons why.

it cant be a decent thread.....i started it!

Concurring.

the thread had changed to the dos and weather we need one

What a Cheif Executive!?

How else do you suggest the club runs on a daily basis? Leave it to itself and hope for the best?

who,s mentioned chief exc like surely he,s the go between manager and chairman? so why do we need director of sport