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 Post subject: Re: The General Election
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:02 am 
All politicians are the same. All a waste of space.


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i have never got why they do number 4.

4. Stop ploughing Billions into climate change investigations.

Is it Natural and something they cant stop?


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All politicians are the same. All a waste of space.


Is it me or do you all think that politicians are the kids at school who got picked on or were crap at sports. They all look like weasly gits who have a massive chip on their shoulder and hate the world

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 Post subject: Re: The General Election
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Compo wrote:
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
All politicians are the same. All a waste of space.


Is it me or do you all think that politicians are the kids at school who got picked on or were crap at sports. They all look like weasly gits who have a massive chip on their shoulder and hate the world


Not sure but they are all in it for what they can get out of it.


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Well said Mr Dibble.

A compelling case to vote Conservative and chuck the one eyed Scottish bastad out on his ear.

Sort out the scroungers and the poor and make them suffer to get everything back on track instead of decent hard working folk like you and I.







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 Post subject: Re: The General Election
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:08 am 
Compo wrote:
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
All politicians are the same. All a waste of space.


Is it me or do you all think that politicians are the kids at school who got picked on or were crap at sports. They all look like weasly gits who have a massive chip on their shoulder and hate the world


If David Cameron looked more like that, I might like him better.


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Compo wrote:
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
All politicians are the same. All a waste of space.


Is it me or do you all think that certain Hartlepool Mail workers are the kids at school who got picked on or were crap at sports. They all look like weasly gits who have a massive chip on their shoulder and hate the world



I'd definitely go along with that Compo and have a multitude of evidence to back it up.

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The Tory party is all about inequality and they intend to keep it that way. We, the working class, will pay to get us out of 'trouble' and not the upper classes. The national debt in this country, by the way, although admittedly high is no higher proportionately than that of Germany, France or the US but the Tories are emphasising the point in order to alarm people and to suggest that they will get us out of it.

They will slash public spending on our schools and hospitals and freeze the pay of the normal working man while the fat-cats continue to prosper. Don't fall for the Tory rhetoric.


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Vote for Brown? not while I've got breath! But then I don't intend to vote Tory either. The one voice of reason in all this madness has been Vince Cable and thats why I'll be putting my x in the yellow box.


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After the next election, they'll all be cutting their spending, that's ALL. The people who pull the strings, are the IMF and they say we have to rein in our public spending. Cameron can afford to play the austerity card, while Brown will just drag his feet so as not to alienate the unions. As for the future, the money aint there. They just can't bring themselves to say so. :roll:

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we can talk about this till were are blue in the face, but as long as I have a hole in my arse Labour will always get in, in Hartlepool and surrounding areas.

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But if the money isnt there will they be cutting the expenditure on Climate change issues? On that new weapons system?

Will they fook.

The money IS THERE to clear a lot of the debt. They are just too scared to make REALLY BIG decisions.


The point is they are all to scared to say these things, if a party said we are pulling out of all the war zones, not developing any weapons and climate change is a load of old tosh, the EU would be on our backs like a rabid monkey.

The thing they need to understand is if they did say these points though, they would walk the next election, simply saying we are going to set our own house in order first before commiting to these points would be welcomed by the masses and you would see a landslide victory.

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even though bymost standars I'm well off I would NEVER as long I have a hole my Ar5e vote for the Tories. They are only interested in insurung hte "ruling class" get richer and it will be likes of us who pay for their good fortune. Schools will get worse..they don't care they don't go to them .. as the mission to cut class sizes it shelved in order to "pay for the national debt"...

One interesting thing these damned bounders done when they where last in charge (although it hard for me to remember cos I was only little) was to sell off all the governments assests in the oil industry ...

Just imagine how far that would go now into cutting the Govt debt if they still owned 29% of the one of the biggest companies in the world..

Oh and why are we inthe mess in first place..nowt to with labour more to do with their rich fookin mates in the banks screwing us.. personally I don't think we should suffer due to the banks cock ups

I could go on but I won't.... but like adg correctly says it won't be rich bastads (c) adg that suffer .

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All politicians are the same. All a waste of space.


Erm...have you heard Obama's won the Nobel Prize? :laugh:


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Surely the only people who will vote Tory will be people who aren't old enough to remember the state of this country throughout most of the 80's??? sctatchinghead


Valid point Mr Dead.

The "state of the country throughout most of the 80's" was obviously all down to the Tories.

It was obviously nothing to do with Labour leaving the country bankrupt and somebody having to come in and sort it out was it.

Hang on a minute, that's starting to sound familiar... sctatchinghead

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Poolie of Kent wrote:
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
All politicians are the same. All a waste of space.


Erm...have you heard Obama's won the Nobel Prize? :laugh:


Will you be voting Tory

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Excellent. I'm not politically motivated but I do not trust Cameron, not one little bit. I fear for the ordinary working man if the tories get in.

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I watched Camerons speech yesterday, and do you know what I drew for it?

I am more inclined than I have ever been to vote..................................................Labour.

And this is why.

We all know the country is saddled with debt, we all know Labour have fooked it up. But that speech yesterday concerned me.......and I dont normally get concerned by what politicians say.

But its like this. The Tories intend to make the hard decisions, to reduce the national debt. Its gonna be a rough ride etc etc, but we will get there in the end. Get fookin where exactly?

These hard decisions? You know what he means by that dont you?

The working classes, will be taxed to the hilt, many jobs will go as well. We will all be made to pay, so that we have a bright future. We will all suffer, so that "we" can gt to this promised land. Many people wont see it, or live long enough to see it, as they will be out of work, and stressed to death.

Teachers will be made redundant, so class sizes will increase.

Older police officers will retire and not be replaced. Even though we already need more.

The fire brigade will halt recruitment, smallet fire stations will shut down.

Nurses will be made redundant. Health care promotion will go. Waiting lists will go up.

All of this in the name of reducinng the national debt.

Most, but not all will suffer because of the above.

Not one tory toff will suffer though, because little of the above affects them anyway.

Cameron has said the words, sent out the signals. We must all pay our bit, to help the country off the floor. Doing our bit may well mean losing our jobs. Then losing our homes. He has told us all. Prepare for pain.

Its a small short term price to pay to get the country, and the banks up and running and back in the black.

So far, Cameron has not shelved his plan to increase the threshold on heritance tax to £1million. Why not? That will cost millions in itself, and the only people that will benefit will be the already stinking rich. Hypocrisy at its best in one speech.

Now things wont be better under Labour. But at least they will not dare to do what I believe will happen under the tories. What the can do though, I have no idea.

I never thought I would say this, but we should all be very very scared...........if all that matters to the government of the day is to reduce the National debt.

Mr Cameron, Here is some radical thinking for you.

1. Pull our troops out of every war zone they are in.
2. Stop development immediately on all weapon development.
3. Stop all funding to the third world.
4. Stop ploughing Billions into climate change investigations.
5. Cut stupid bureacracy immediately.
6. Let the people live, and stop trying to run every bretah of their lives.
7. Get rid of every stop rule and law ever introduced.
8. Get rid of the house of lords.

There you go, we will be in the black in no time.

Do that or welcome to the board.

Errrrrrrrrrrr...........sorry about that, dont normally start political debates. Soz like. :uhoh:

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look you don't need to einstien to work out its always the ordinary working man who pays for the fook ups..

What all these tory grandees are forgetting to tell you is that this massive national debt is down to he government borrowing loadsa dosh to bail out their mates in the city...

Truth be known its fook all to do with building hospital schools or even fookin duck houses its cos a few greedy bastads in the city wanted to make big bonuses at the banks and theygot found out and the rugs pulled under them..

So we the humble taxpayer had to bail them out and will continue doing so for many years to come!

Vote tory my arse

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look you don't need to einstien to work out its always the ordinary working man who pays for the fook ups..

What all these tory grandees are forgetting to tell you is that this massive national debt is down to the government borrowing loadsa dosh to bail out their mates in the city...

Truth be known its fook all to do with building hospital schools or even fookin duck houses its cos a few greedy bastads in the city wanted to make big bonuses at the banks and theygot found out and the rugs pulled under them..

So we the humble taxpayer had to bail them out and will continue doing so for many years to come!

Vote tory my arse

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look you don't need to einstien to work out its always the ordinary working man who pays for the fook ups..

What all these tory grandees are forgetting to tell you is that this massive national debt is down to the government borrowing loadsa dosh to bail out their mates in the city...

Truth be known its fook all to do with building hospital schools or even fookin duck houses its cos a few greedy bastads in the city wanted to make big bonuses at the banks and theygot found out and the rugs pulled under them..

So we the humble taxpayer had to bail them out and will continue doing so for many years to come!

Vote tory my arse

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...in the interests of fairness, they fat cats got obesely fat under a Labour government, or has no one noticed.

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I agree its only lighter shades of blue but that's the only choice we have at the moment isn't it. The banks where to big to fail the problem with Cameron is that he'd would've had to do the but is only attacking Brown for doing so.

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I'll second that. It was the age of youth opportunity schemes, yes £25 foooking quid, working 5 days a week just to keep the dole queue figures down. :evil:

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Funnily enough I couldn't wait until I was 18 to go on one of the 3 day week schemes where you got £50 a week making paving slabs in George Street :laugh:
I didn't get my first proper job until I was 20 years old :evil:

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:shock: What rank were you in World War Two sctatchinghead

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Youse lot should have all tried harder at school....

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You forgot to add that none of these gunts where saddled with the student debt thanks to this lot and the lot before them (who did introduce the current system btw) that our children will be Mr Glasses....

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The only way I can see Labour and the little shit getting kicked out of this Town is if the Lib Dems put a decent high profile canditate up for the Election!!!! :coool: :coool:

That's the only way for me like....and I hope they do!!!! :coool: :coool:


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You can't beat a good political debate.

The easiest thing in the world (in any country) is to be the leader of the opposition party, simply because you can make all the promises you want and then when(or if) your elected simply say the position you find yourself in, is worse than you thought and you can't keep your promises. Do the opposition ever get to see the books , so to speak to enable them to say how they going to balance them.

Like many on here I lived through the Thatcher years ( wasted years) and for that reason will never vote Tory (I also prefer the term Tory to Conservative as it's originally an Irish term for OUTLAW).

The facts are simple the Tory promises will not help this country.

1. The recession will get worse under Tory proposals
2.To cut public sector jobs/wages etc, when unemployment is high is counter productive. They can and will help to stabilise the economy.
3. Cutting spending and increasing taxes is also bad at this time, the economy is to weak for those proposals to work
Lets look at other things

When the Tories were ousted in 1997, the number of people on the 90% tax bracket was approx 130,000 it now stands at approx 60,000 half the number,they have NO plans to reduce tax for the well off, as pointed out their only plan is on inheritance tax, which for those who don't know will benefit the richest 3000 people in the country. Who they looking after??

Lets go to the expenses scandal, "Cameron and Osborne said we have paid back the money"

No they didnt Osborne "flipped" his house made £55,000 avoided capital gains tax.

Cameron wants EU TRANSPERENCY, yet refuses point blank to release the transcript of a letter HE wrote to the EU president to attempt to stop the Lisbon Treaty. There's TRANSPERENCY , THE TORY WAY.

Pensions by raising the retirement age the tories state they can save £13 billion a year, utter and total bollocks,it nearer £2 billion. They wont tell you in what year they will reintroduce the earnings link, more educated people than me state if they leave it till 2015, (technically last year before another general election) then 3 million pensioners will have died. 1 in 5 of them in POVERTY.

His speech boring, self-indulgent,vain, shallow and empty.

He mentioned Maggie Thatcher. Let's hope he does that more often and that he really frightens the life out the average voter.Some of us haven't forgotten the under-funded shabby schools and hospitals which occurred under Maggie's watch! Praising Thatcher, for F*** sake Cameron seems to be deluded enough to believe, that we should go back to days when Maggie ruled the roost.
This proves that Tories are still a bunch of arrogant fools, they still have the audacity to proclaim that the free market is the answer to everything.
One example of their laissez-faire fanaticism, was their privatisation of hospital cleaning services in the mid 1990s, and look where that got us.
There is a deafening silence from the Tories, regarding City deregulation, and they have been caught off balance, to find major economies around the World having re-nationalise major assets, in order to bailout failure and greed.
So much for deregulation and privatisation, Tories get stuffed


Isn't it nauseating to see the serried ranks of smug, well-off Tories, immaculately dressed and obviously comfortably -off, clapping on cue every meaningless banality that tripped from the lips of this snake-oil salesman? Does anyone really believe that this pampered old Etonian with his staid views possesses a real grasp of what life is like for people in Barnsley or Dudley or Fife or Llanelli?

The tory faithful sucking up the dry powder.

If we, as a country, fall for this smarm then we deserve everything we get

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All the party conferences had rows of smug smartly dressed drones clapping to the leaders boring speech.

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Hence the reason the word COMFORTABLY WELL OFF was added by me.

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Come off it, do you believe top Labour politicans are scratching their arses, they're as bad as the others, thank God I'm a Communist.

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ADG wrote:
I was very lucky. :roll:

I was put on a YOP scheme and given £25 per week, with the promise that if I worked hard the firm would give me a full time job.

As I was about to finissh the year, the firm informed that the governemnt had introduced a new scheme, that meant they could employ you for a second year on £39 a week.

I asked if I had done enought o geta full time job, and the firm said yes. But why should we employ you, when we can get you for another year through this scheme.......and so it went on.

Very depressing thinking about it now. I just my kids are clever enought o do A Levels and go to uni.


Its called Future jobs fund now I believe

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ADG wrote:
I was very lucky. :roll:

I was put on a YOP scheme and given £25 per week, with the promise that if I worked hard the firm would give me a full time job.

As I was about to finissh the year, the firm informed that the governemnt had introduced a new scheme, that meant they could employ you for a second year on £39 a week.

I asked if I had done enought o geta full time job, and the firm said yes. But why should we employ you, when we can get you for another year through this scheme.......and so it went on.

Very depressing thinking about it now. I just my kids are clever enought o do A Levels and go to uni.


Its called Future jobs fund now I believe
It's all a rip off... look at something like the railway stsation, you'd be better off employing people out of the public purse to keep it clean and secure, it would be cheaper than the dole and give someone a purpose in life... but no, the bean counters can do it more efficiently which it isn't the place remains a dump and the bean counters get richer.

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I dont care who is rich and who isnt. I will votr for who I believe we cause my family least damage with their cuts.

And I am beginning to think thr Lib Dems may be the answer.

Aas long as the dont roll out that horrible owld c*** Arthur Preece again. He must be 200 years old now.
The cuts have been going on for a while now, starting with the hospital....

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Who is this LABOUR you are talking about. The New Labour or the proper one ?


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There's another choice. :grin: :grin:

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Surely the only people who will vote Tory will be people who aren't old enough to remember the state of this country throughout most of the 80's??? sctatchinghead


Valid point Mr Dead.

The "state of the country throughout most of the 80's" was obviously all down to the Tories.

It was obviously nothing to do with Labour leaving the country bankrupt and somebody having to come in and sort it out was it.

Hang on a minute, that's starting to sound familiar... sctatchinghead


Ripper, how old were you in '81? 5 or 6???

I was leaving school and working.

It was horrible.


I am not denying or disputing whether it was horrible.

I'm merely suggesting that blaming Thatcher's government wholly is maybe a little bit wrong due to the state that the country was in when they inherited it.

It seems to me that every time we have a Labour goverment we end up skint cos they spend money that they don't have and somebody else has to come along and clear up their mess, yet those doing the clearing up somehow get blamed by some folk who don't want to admit that the Labour party could ever be to blame for owt.

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Why would you want to vote for these cheats anyway they stole your tax money you will be voting for Benefit scrounger Owen for mayor next. sctatchinghead

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Well put PMT , one can almost see Kinnock chatting to a young Blair in some oak pannelled office over brandy and cigars throwing Clause 4 into a fire and having a giggle.....1997....the year the Christian Democrats came to power wearing red...ish colours !

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the main reason the government is skint is that they borrowed a fortune to bail out the tories mates in the city.. more money than you can ever imagine has been thrown at the banks to stop them "going under"..That our debt to bail out multinational orgainisations refred ... If Cameron was in we'd be in the same shite..he can't change anything for the average working man.. He's out to feather his own mates nest after having a good kicking for the last 13 years... The most sensible thing I saw in the conferences was the proposal to change the voting system so that a party only supported by about 25% of the populus ends u[ running the country for this fact and this fact alone I hope labour get re-elected or at least there is a hung parliament with no one party holding overall power.

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Come off it, do you believe top Labour politicans are scratching their arses, they're as bad as the others, thank God I'm a Communist.


Communism as written by Marx and Engels, the best and only government in the world.

Theoretically

Only problem is it can never be put into practice.

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The Tories are laughable and, as a public sector worker, I fear what they'll do to the likes of me if they get in. Shame they're going to walk the next general election.

By the way, Vince Cable is going to be at Hartlepool 6th Form/Brinkburn on November 6th as part of Any Questions. Tickets are available from the college reception. David Davis is representing the Tories but Labour haven't announced their representative yet.


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Im not a great fan of any of the parties as most politicians are only in it for themselves. However, as a private sector employer, I think its about time the public sector was made to feel the pinch as well, instead of the easy option of making everyone else pay for their pay rises in council tax. My staff get rises as & when they can be afforded, putting my prices up isnt always an option but it seems councils feel they can do that with council tax no matter what.


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There's another choice. :grin: :grin:

Tip the fook out. bbolt The whole place is fooked. sadx


Good idea run away to the other side of the world, instead of staying here and doing your bit to help out the country you know you love really.






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As if any one of us can really make a difference.

I'm hoping for a hung parliament.

Preferably with 646 Gibbets just outside of the House of Commons.

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Good idea run away to the other side of the world, instead of staying here and doing your bit to help out the country you know you love really.


I did love it, but it's become unloveable.

You know when you don't want to have your dog put down, but it's simply crueller to sustain it's suffering??

If all the money they'd wasted on shite, unworkable computer systems, daft wars and 'consultants' had been wisely spent, the place wouldn't have shit creeping up it's neck. If we'd got rid of these bastards five years ago I'd still be there. However, they take 50% tax off the working bloke and throw it straight into measures to repress the same bloke who's paying for it, then label him a paedophile or a terrorist, shove a camera down his throat, bug his telephone lines, demand to inspect his e-mail, etc etc etc......

Not for me. :wink:


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Im not a great fan of any of the parties as most politicians are only in it for themselves. However, as a private sector employer, I think its about time the public sector was made to feel the pinch as well, instead of the easy option of making everyone else pay for their pay rises in council tax. My staff get rises as & when they can be afforded, putting my prices up isnt always an option but it seems councils feel they can do that with council tax no matter what.


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Not tory and not labour neither.

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