Well after being a Turner supporter I have to admit that he is f*ckin clueless.Sweeney was struggling all game and yet he left him on the pitch as he was on Tuesday.......he started Larkin up front who although is a lot fitter than Boyd did very little.......did he change anything at half time....No.............He only changed things when we were 2-0 down and chasing the game.We never looked like scoring and to be honest Norwich were not a good team.I really do fear when we do actually play a really decent team as we are going to get banjoed.I am not normally a negative person but I do despair after today.I hope IOR get a real manager in who can pick the team up as I do think that we have potential.....rant over......

What do people expect???????? I said before the season started and i'll say it again WE'LL GO DOWN!!!!!!!

Unless we get some changes asap we are dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed

We will go down if Turner doesnt fuck off yes. A half decent manager who knows his arse from his elbow and we will be ok.

From the first time Turner was in charge (Yes he done well) but he always wanted a big striker up front

Hoof Hoof Hoof

Just heard Turner on the radio comparing us to Liverpool what a clown this man is. He also said the wind was swirling round the ground what ground was Turner at?. I said at the start of the season Turner is not the man now people might start to agree.

A bad workman always blames his tools

A bad manager always blames other people/aspects

Give your head's a shake for goodness sake.

We have played 5 games against 5 good sides, What do you expect. We are not gonna get anywhere with people moaning 24/7. Give it a rest for goodness sake. We were Poor today, but This thread is sickening.

From the moment the ball was played out to their left I knew it was going to be a goal.

Give it a rest yourself. Norwich were not a good side, we were just utter gash and have someone in charge who doesnt know his arse from elbow.

Ditto.

So far we've:
Played well, kept a clean sheet and drawn away again MK Dons.
Played well, kept a clean sheet and won away from home against Coventry (I missed that one)
Played quite poorly and lost at home against Charlton.
Played hot and cold and lost at home against Bristol Rovers.
Played well, kept a clean sheet and won away against Gillingham.
Played very well despite losing at home against Burnley
Played badly and lost at home against Norwich.

So I make that two bad peformances (where we played the long ball)
One hot and cold peformance against Bristol Rovers (to be fair, it was more warm than cold)
And four good peformances.

Don't get me wrong, there's a few things I want to ask Turner including our use of the long ball. But it's a bit early to be calling for his head, especially considering we've not gelled yet.

We beat Coventry and lost to them?

totally agree, team gelling is a load of old tosh, maybe they should nip to savers post haste and buy some

The Mighty Chip has spoken everyone, theres no such thing as needing to gel.


Turner Out!!!!

maybe CT should by some of this and quickly

Any one who uses the f***ing term '24/7' deserves berating. We were sh*te no arguement.
Please explain the alternative approach to todays game from Tuesdays crackin performance !!, Turner has always advocated the 'why change a winning team' poo!!!! so why did we change a team who put in a crackin shift on Tues?

Plus Turner wanted a good bench!! well he certainly had it today, unfortunately some of em should have been in the starting eleven.

I am a Turner admirer but i am having doubts. What was his team talk? Nelsons strength is his aerial power, so instead of playing Brown or Boyd and playing it around him [and the other massive fooker], er lets pump the ball up over the top so it can be dealt with easily. The hard work and team building which went on Tuesday was wasted today, we are as far back as China.

Agree totally on first point. On second point, it is a tough league but after today's experience, two things are prominent, Norwich are going to find it hard to get out of this league and Pools are going to find it hard to stay in it.
The toughest side we will face this season is probably Burnley, where we set out our stall.We have proved we can perform at a certain level [consistency is the (managers) problem].
Why should the paying public expect anything less than was witnessed on Tues? We have proved we can do it.

Must admit i expected 5 points from first 5 games so a return of 4 is no hardship.
However totally agree on last point

who deleted my post?

state the obvious why don't you!!!!

i know i didn't, i was at Asda!

3 for £20 on crates!!!!

I personally can not believe people are talking about wanting Turner out.

We've only played 5 games!

In the three games I've been to, we have played well against good teams and got excellent results.

I tell you what I think didn't help getting two ex-Championship sides in the first month of the season - now we've got teams like that over with, surely we've got the potential to play teams that we can actually compete with in this division, who don't have the resources like Charlton and Leeds and who don't have the desire to get back straight up.

Is that including stoppage time?

it really wasn't worth reading, i'm quite happy it was erased. If only we could do the same with todays match!!!!

I know of a moderator who left around that time in the game, but doubt he would have logged onto the bunker before 8 if at all on saturday night, i dare say you weren't sat for from us chip

He did say he was going to be, during the week. I can't believe he was there, and hasn't made his displeasure known yet.

His record has continued were it left off, Different players who "play" well when it suits them as we witnessed, I dont buy that "they were tired" crap either

Doyle.

Rarf.

Divvy.

Remmer.

He would when they are playing that badly and Becks is 99p a bottle in King John's.

Is Salty a moderator?

If so, there is a fair chance he did it, he won't remember though, regardless of the fact if he was pissed or sober

We'll see

On past experience, you couldn't see the sea if you were adrift in the middle of the Atlantic.

Far too early in the voyage to be throwing the captain over the side !

Havent bothered reading all this thread over the last few days, but anyone who thinks Turner should go now is very stupid, what he has done in the close season is brilliant transfer wise, and these players need to gel. He at least should be given till the middle of Novemeber to see how things pan out.

With all due repect compo, how many games have you seen to be able to assess these new players in order to judge these brilliant transfers that Ct has done????

We are in the relegation places! We dont look like scoring goals, we are still conceding sloppy goals at home. We are NOT at the top of the table or anything. People keep coming out with all this rubbish about how great CT has done in the transfer market

If we were in the top half of the table then I would agree, I would be saying how great Ct has done with regards to the new signings but so far we have not looked anything special. I missed the Burnley game so I cant comment on that but apparently we played really well that game.

To criticise those fans who dont want CT in charge is ridiculous. As I have said before this opinion is not simply based on one defeat or anything, its based on the fact that CT's record is poor, tactically he simply doesnt have it, players are being played out of position from day one, he appears incapable of changig a game despite having a supposedly decent subs bench now. My opinions of Ct are not so fickle as to suddenly 'rocket' on the basis of the Burnley game.

I have major concerns about CT as manager (as many people do) but as I said before I will try and give him the benefit of the doubt for another month or so determine if our current position is false due to our players not 'gelling' yet or because we have apparently played a high proportion of the stronger sides in the division.

I dont see anything remotely wrong with having such an opinion. As soon as Ct starts to demonstrate that we are going to climb the table (towards a midtable position) and keep us there I will have more confidence in him. Until this happens my opinions are based on what I have seen so far and while there have been encouraging signs when we have played quite well - WE are still in the relegation places so it doesnt bode well once we start playing badly!!!

The attitude towards those who dare to doubt CT on this board is quite frankly ridiculous.

Fair enough I have to agree I havent been to many games this season and can only go on what people I trust (my dad and mampi) have told me. I was just saying in my opinion he needs more time and so do the players. Flinders and our defence are a god send compaired to last season, we may have unearthed a gem in Behan and possibly Freddy (is played in correct poisition and with a holding midfielder Jones), we have Brown and Boyd coming back from fitness.

I think there is more positives than negatives at the moment, granted we havent got the points on the board and this cannot be argued with, but who hoenstly though with the first 6 games of the seaon when they were released we would have as many as we do. I have to say I didnt and for me the season starts with the next two fixture in whcih we have to get and I believe we will 6 points.

Some of the signings, notably Flinders and Behan do look good I agree. The rest have not really pulled up Trees. CT is playing Hartley out of position from day one when its clear he is a centre half, while Austin sits on the bench. This IMO is not the sign of a good manager. Freddy looks an ok player but if we play the long ball game then it is pointless having him. It will take a sustained midtable position at this level for those doubters of CT to change their opinions of him.

If we start to collect some points and move towards midtable then this would be encouraging and suggest Ct should be given more time. IF however it gets to October/ November and we are in the relegation places I will laugh at anyone who says that he should get more time.

The only ridiculuous (and quite frankly sad and pathetic) thing is calling for the head of the manager before August is out when he's spent the summer trying to rectify the bad and short sighted decisions he inherited from the previous clown.

But trying to rectify the mistakes of the previous 'clown' by signing new players does not suddenly make him a good manager does it. Every man and his dog could see where we needed strengthening, a goalkeeper, left back etc. Its up to Ct to play the players in the right way. They could be world beaters but if his tactics are wrong a lot of the time we will falter. The next month or two will give a good indication as to whether he is right for the job. I hope he is as it would be terrible for another manager to come in and be stuck with the previous managers players all over again.

Its all about opinions (I have only been to the home league games and sheff wed) and I have not been impressed with Hartley (as a left back). Im sure he would be a decent centre half however.

What gets my goat on here is that as soon as someone moans about Ct the attitude of some is "oh, look , as soon as we lose a game/play badly etc etc the managers head is called for". However this is not the case, a LOT of people do not rate CT as a manager and this is not some fickle opinion based on one defeat but based on previous history. Once he demonstrates at this level that he is the man to get us 'comfortable' in league 1 then people will get behind him and start attending games again.

Have wanted CT out since he was put in the managers position again and that still hasnt changed. Those who think we only want him out because of the Norwich game are deluded.

and thats half the problem tree. you didnt even give the bloke a chance. you made your mind up before a ball had been kicked.

And wanting him out ever since he was appointed is sane?

You want out whoever's manager, it sounds like a medical disorder to me.

People cant just switch off their preconceptions though MrB. A lot of people were against him coming back to the club after he left for Sheff Wed. It will take success to change these opinions. He has not done enough yet to do this. Hopefully he will.

Awful manager and his record backs it up. Il agree with the media etc he is great and even go as far as saying he is decent in the transfer market but thats where it stops.

no only part of his record is bad. there are a lot of excellent years you are conveniently ignoring. in that case i am going to totally ignore neale coopers record and base my entire opinion on him on the walsall game just before he was sacked.