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hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

Is it the credit crunch, lack of investment in the close season, the manager, the team?

I read the Sunday papers and we are second from bottom in the league attendances table for our division @ home

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Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:56 pm

Credit crunch?

Nah.

It's the recession and climbing inflation.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

What with bills, rent, food etc all going up i simply can not justify 20 squids on football at the moment

if anyone has any cheap tenner tickets ill happily take them

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37336

hufc1908 wrote:

Is it the credit crunch, lack of investment in the close season, the manager, the team?

I read the Sunday papers and we are second from bottom in the league attendances table for our division @ home

It's a number of factors. I've just had a phone call asking me to stay at work for an extra three hours till 5.30 on Saturday, one time no chance, but the way things are nowadays you tend to re-arrange your 'priotities'. :roll:

i won't be going it appears and those going with me won't be either ..... funny old world innit?

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2471

Its ironic isn't it when we were the highest scorers at home last season and we have also been scoring freely at home this season as well (in all but one game anyway). So, you can't blame the team, and personally I don't blame the manager either - he has done well with the resources available.

I suppose the general hysteria that constitutes the 'credit crunch' might affect a few people but I think it is just a general lack of interest being shown by the people of Hartlepool and surrounding areas. Not everybody appreciates good football - sad but true. stpid

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:09 pm

JohnnyMars wrote:

Its ironic isn't it when we were the highest scorers at home last season and we have also been scoring freely at home this season as well (in all but one game anyway). So, you can't blame the team, and personally I don't blame the manager either - he has done well with the resources available.

I suppose the general hysteria that constitutes the 'credit crunch' might affect a few people but I think it is just a general lack of interest being shown by the people of Hartlepool and surrounding areas. Not everybody appreciates good football - sad but true. stpid

Phew, that's a relief.

I thought that this recession and high inflation rate were real.

Fortunately they're just an excuse for not going to watch Pools that is being perpetuated by the national media on behalf of disinterested Poolies.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

5 years ago i was pools mad, used to go everywhere to support them, but my priorities we're different, i had money to burn being a student, no bills, my life was my own.

Now i have my own place, a child, bills, a bird with expensive tastes etc

how depressing is that!

Don't ever grow up, or have kids, or get a lass!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37336

We have a boring manager, it doesn't help.

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:12 pm

Yubep wrote:

5 years ago i was pools mad, used to go everywhere to support them, but my priorities we're different, i had money to burn being a student, no bills, my life was my own.

Now i have my own place, a child, bills, a bird with expensive tastes etc

how depressing is that!

Don't ever grow up, or have kids, or get a lass!

Or if you do get one, get one who loves football as much as, if not more than you!!

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2471

Mr Ripper wrote:

JohnnyMars wrote:

Its ironic isn't it when we were the highest scorers at home last season and we have also been scoring freely at home this season as well (in all but one game anyway). So, you can't blame the team, and personally I don't blame the manager either - he has done well with the resources available.

I suppose the general hysteria that constitutes the 'credit crunch' might affect a few people but I think it is just a general lack of interest being shown by the people of Hartlepool and surrounding areas. Not everybody appreciates good football - sad but true. stpid

Phew, that's a relief.

I thought that this recession and high inflation rate were real.

Fortunately they're just an excuse for not going to watch Pools that is being perpetuated by the national media on behalf of disinterested Poolies.

Its not all down to finance though Mr Ripper - it's just a general malaise, which is a shame because we are a great side to watch.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:19 pm

JohnnyMars wrote:

Its not all down to finance though Mr Ripper - it's just a general malaise, which is a shame because we are a great side to watch.

So it's Snowy's melancholy attitude that is the reason for him working over on Saturday, not the fact that he needs the money to pay the bills?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37336

Er ...'malaises' don't just happen, there is something called cause and effect.

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2471

Mr Ripper wrote:

JohnnyMars wrote:

Its not all down to finance though Mr Ripper - it's just a general malaise, which is a shame because we are a great side to watch.

So it's Snowy's melancholy attitude that is the reason for him working over on Saturday, not the fact that he needs the money to pay the bills?

I know a lot of people who have the money but just can't be arsed to go. They would rather watch Jeff Stelling and his cronies and support Pools that way instead.

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

The club has a product that they have to sell the same way as any business has to in a competitive market. People will always have to prioritise on how they are going to spend their income and it’s up to the club to make them selves more attractive to do that. How is the question?
I get the feeling we are down to the hardcore of supporters, looking at the attendance league table for our division.

Salty · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:37 pm

if it weren't for my cheapy season ticket [thanks grabey!] I wouldn't be able to afford 2 games in a week, as it is I'm struggling to scrape the petrol money and jacks attendance money, nevermind my beer his sweets etc....costly do this footy malarkey it really is!! sadx

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:37 pm

It seems like people in England have much more to worry about over the last few years that there has to be some financial cushion or they're riding a tightrope. It's no wonder hobbies, and that's all footy is, for all it's mystery, don't see the income that they did.

There's so many different things you have to pay for, and so much more enforcement of these things that the cash just isn't there. If you get a speeding ticket and a parking ticket in the same week, that's five games gone. Pay your telly licence and that's seven games gone. That's half the home games in a season, easy done. If your ceiling falls in, you're fooked.

I think it's just robbing people of the choice.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37336

The 'product' needs freshening, not the players, the way it's sold.... do you feel as though your missing something if you don't go, do you feel you aren't part of something? There is no excitement, no anticipation, the message from the top is slow but steady and the image has morphed onto the club in general, efficient, works well , but ploddingly comfortable and the ride isn't gonna shock you...a sort of Alton Towers for pensioners. It's all about image and making the fans want to be part of something with excitement and drive, not the football equivalent of a visit to the 'World of Beige... Clothes Outlet' on a damp afternoon in January.

Salty · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:43 pm

I think a part of that comes with getting older too snowy, I too dont get anywhere near as excited as I used to....but jack does [mostly,unless he gets a better offer!! :roll:

- in which case I'm blowing my point here! :laugh:

]...and probably will more into his teens...then it'll wane as he gets older sadx

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:50 pm

Interesting theory Mr Snowy. Surely at the end of the day you've got 22 blokes chasing the ball and a bounder who was bullied at school, assisted by the two kids who were too malodorous to be phsyically bullied but who had soubriquets such as 'snot' and 'gimp,' spoiling their pursuit, such was it ever.

Now 99.9% of the attendees are too fat/inept/drunk/thick/old/hungry/unfit etc to participate in any other form other than verbally.

Actually the only thing you've got to sell is passive participation.

What price gobbing off??

Thanks Cornelius, I'll stick with the 2-4-1 deal..... :roll:

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:50 pm

Just a half please wrote:

Jesus. Never read so much shiit in one thread.

People arent going because they cant afford to. How can it be any simpler than that? stpid

£18 to watch league one football, at a club that, during the summer, did nothing to give the impression that it had any interest in progressing, is a lot of money.

Yes we play good football. Then we go away and play like a bunch of girls. So its midtable then. Accepted before the season begun.

£18/20 is a lot of money when mortgage rates are rising, unemployment is rising, and the banks are running to the hills.

Oh, and people are saving, what little they can, for christmas.

If Pools dont/wont/cant react to the market forces then crowds will stay at the current levels, or drop further depending on how well pools perform.

Those who would RATHER sit and watch Jeff Stelling, probbaly always have and always will.

I dont know anyone that used to go but wont because they would rather not. I know loads that have prioritised their cash that doesnt allow them to go.

And who can blame them?

Now that all sounds very reasonable to me.

But it's obviously not true cos Mr Mars says so. :laugh:

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:52 pm

Spender wrote:

Actually the only thing you've got to sell is passive participation.

What price gobbing off??

Even that is frowned upon now by a swathe of political correctness seemingly engulfing the Vic, and blokes taking their bewer and not expecting anybody to swear cos they've let her barge her way out of the kitchen for the afternoon.

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:54 pm

Just a half please wrote:

Jesus.

Oh, and people are saving, what little they can, for christmas.

Aye but that's just you bible bashers, indoctrinating your kids that they have to have a NASA space station or a Russian gas field for Christmas.

Give 'em an orange and a nut and you can get pissed and see the Boxing Day game AND the New Years Day one through an alcoholic haze.

You're just mis-prioritising which estimators do all the time. :roll:

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:56 pm

Just a half please wrote:

Errrr............but I will be at the games............I think. confised

Jeff Winter again?

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:57 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

Spender wrote:

Actually the only thing you've got to sell is passive participation.

What price gobbing off??

Even that is frowned upon now by a swathe of political correctness seemingly engulfing the Vic, and blokes taking their bewer and not expecting anybody to swear cos they've let her barge her way out of the kitchen for the afternoon.

She can always welcome to the board again. :roll:

We've got her money. clappp

grabec · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:02 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

Spender wrote:

Actually the only thing you've got to sell is passive participation.

What price gobbing off??

Even that is frowned upon now by a swathe of political correctness seemingly engulfing the Vic, and blokes taking their bewer and not expecting anybody to swear cos they've let her barge her way out of the kitchen for the afternoon.

Do women still get 'taken out' in your neck of the woods, Ripper :wink:

How quaint. Most women just 'go' nowadays.....

Anyway, back to the question. Obviously some people aren't going because of cost, but I agree with the folk who're saying it's just not much fun any more.
The bairn and I couldn't go last Fri as we'd something else on, and I couldn't have cared less, even tho I already had a ticket

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37336

Trouible is Chip, it's what the floating supporters feel that's relevant and that's not being said in a manner disparaging of the floating supporters, but you've got to get them on board permanently and we aren't doing that.

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:30 pm

Well can you, me old matelot, when the die hards are saying they aren't bothered that much any more??

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

My main problem is that I now feel like a customer rather than an intergral part of the club. I am also bombarded with sales span via text email and when I go onto the official site I have to wade through articles about Ronaldo returning for Man United before I get to the bits I'm interested. It all feels a bit too impersonal for my simple tastes.

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

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The bairn and I couldn't go last Fri as we'd something else on, and I couldn't have cared less, even tho I already had a ticket

I think that about sums up the apathy the Hpool supporter feels. Gone are the days when you worked everything around a pilgrimage to the Vic. When the hype for the game made you want to go.

Im not jumping back onto the Mail ban story, but it doesn’t help when your local paper won’t even cover the next home game like last Fridays addition. You always read about the build up to the match and that got the juices flowing to say the least.
Unless you subscribe (if you can afford to) to some sanitised media coverage that only wants to sell you stuff, paint a rosier picture? You are forgotten about and the knock on affect is the public loose interest in the product.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:21 am

I'm in two minds to go on Saturday....need money for me holiday!!!! confised

I want to go cos I think it'll be an helluva' game....but can't really afford it!!!! confised

HELP....I don't know what to do!!!! banghead

I'll proably end up going!!!! :grin:

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

Quote:

HELP....I don't know what to do!!!!

Should be a top game chore, have a beer with you in the Millhouse

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

If we are looking at getting some of the floating fans then tomorrows a perfect start, you don't get much more than playing the top of the league team who are also currently unbeaten!!

I haven't lost the excitement, I have a part time job and do extra work for the council i.e. delivering electoral forms so I can get the cash to go.

There's plenty of part time work out there if people are strapped for cash!!

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:32 pm

Yubep wrote:

What with bills, rent, food etc all going up i simply can not justify 20 squids on football at the moment

if anyone has any cheap tenner tickets ill happily take them

Yubep Post subject: ChipPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:42 am

Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:35 pm
Posts: 1209
Location: Hartlepool It seems your lads like the sauce and George Best lifestyle as much as me chip.

Friendships have been forged, transfer dealings may well be in place.

P.s. if they feel anything like me hangovers will also be in place too

Justify lager before pools never.

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

Normal services has been resumed in tonight’s Mail. Full write up for tomorrow’s game - Niceone. That should get a few floating supporters to get off the old spud-bag

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:33 am

Looked like a quarter of a page to me like!!!! confised

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

4507 for us with 709 oldham fans but the loids had

Att: 2,814

now thats shite :shock:

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:38 pm

They're doing well....aswell!!!! confised

parmopooly · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:53 pm

Spender wrote:

It seems like people in England have much more to worry about over the last few years that there has to be some financial cushion or they're riding a tightrope. It's no wonder hobbies, and that's all footy is, for all it's mystery, don't see the income that they did.

There's so many different things you have to pay for, and so much more enforcement of these things that the cash just isn't there. If you get a speeding ticket and a parking ticket in the same week, that's five games gone. Pay your telly licence and that's seven games gone. That's half the home games in a season, easy done. If your ceiling falls in, you're fooked.

I think it's just robbing people of the choice.

a recent report written about full participation in any western society included the stipulation that, to be truly a part of that society, you should be able to regularly afford the odd relatively affordable treat - such as a family night out at the cinema or at a sports event.
Quite clearly many cannot do that, and as such are missing out on something because of financial restraints.It must be made worse for those in that position, to see and hear about others who are not affected financially, carrying on in the same way as before and enjoying such activities. Capitalism, eh?

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:29 pm

parmopooly wrote:

Spender wrote:

It seems like people in England have much more to worry about over the last few years that there has to be some financial cushion or they're riding a tightrope. It's no wonder hobbies, and that's all footy is, for all it's mystery, don't see the income that they did.

There's so many different things you have to pay for, and so much more enforcement of these things that the cash just isn't there. If you get a speeding ticket and a parking ticket in the same week, that's five games gone. Pay your telly licence and that's seven games gone. That's half the home games in a season, easy done. If your ceiling falls in, you're fooked.

I think it's just robbing people of the choice.

a recent report written about full participation in any western society included the stipulation that, to be truly a part of that society, you should be able to regularly afford the odd relatively affordable treat - such as a family night out at the cinema or at a sports event.
Quite clearly many cannot do that, and as such are missing out on something because of financial restraints.It must be made worse for those in that position, to see and hear about others who are not affected financially, carrying on in the same way as before and enjoying such activities. Capitalism, eh?

Well, yes, but one has to support Spender's right to disprioritise on speeding and parking tickets

ronaldo · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:53 pm **Posts:** 861

Hartlepool has been in a one big credit crunch for 50 years, its a poor downtrodden town in anyones books. All things considered the crowds have been very good over the past six years and even now are holding up quite well.

We will never do owt though on these crowds whether they be 3000 or 5000.

TforTurner · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:37 pm **Posts:** 689

no6bus wrote:

4507 for us with 709 oldham fans but the loids had

Att: 2,814

now thats shite :shock:

I dare say if we were in that league our gates against the "lesser" teams would be around that mark imo confised

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:15 pm

ronaldo wrote:

Hartlepool has been in a one big credit crunch for 50 years, its a poor downtrodden town in anyones books. All things considered the crowds have been very good over the past six years and even now are holding up quite well.

We will never do owt though on these crowds whether they be 3000 or 5000.

You're a right little ray of sunshine you, aren't you. :roll:

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:19 pm

dont be so silly. the last time we were in league 2 we had much better crowds

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

there are 3 different programmes on tv tonight about the credit crunch

bit much innit.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:43 pm

chip fireball wrote:

if u tell folk 20 times a day every day to stop spending money a lot of them will actually stop spending money and things will get worse.

Tried that on our lass....it didn't work!!!! confised

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37336

MutleyRules wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

if u tell folk 20 times a day every day to stop spending money a lot of them will actually stop spending money and things will get worse.

Tried that on our lass....it didn't work!!!! confised

That's works job! :wink:

......

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:54 pm

I had a call today from someone who couldn't afford to pay their leccy bill. Started by saying she was one of the people who lost their job in the Lehmann Brothers crash, looking for sympathy, she didn't get any from me. I think perhaps I'm not cut out for this type of work!!

Spender · **Posted:** Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:37 pm

chip fireball wrote:

what the LABOUR government needs to do now is nationalise british gas again and run it as a not for profit concern.

But errmmm..British Gas hasn't actually GOT any gas.......to sell to anyone....

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:17 pm

Spender wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

what the LABOUR government needs to do now is nationalise british gas again and run it as a not for profit concern.

But errmmm..British Gas hasn't actually GOT any gas.......to sell to anyone....

But they must have. They're forever telling everyone how their gas and electric is better than everyone elses. :evil:

Despite the fact that all they are doing is selling the same 'product' every other utility company is selling. :grin:

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:45 pm

Spender wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

what the LABOUR government needs to do now is nationalise british gas again and run it as a not for profit concern.

But errmmm..British Gas hasn't actually GOT any gas.......to sell to anyone....

Yes they have, they've got loads of the stuff, it just its all brought in offshore and
stored in great big tanks off the coast near 'Ull

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