As some of you might know our David lives in Lincolnshire and has 3 familys living in one house next door.
Well 6 weeks ago a family of Romanians 3 women. 1 bloke and 11 kids moved in over the road well world war 3 the poles and Roma hate each other so its fisty cuffs all the time.
Last week the council turned up to empty the front garden nappies household rubbish the lot just tossed into the front garden David said it better than watching the telly.
Anyway on Friday the police and social services turn up and all hell breaks lose at the Roma house the bobby said they are a 1 family crime spree pickpockets. shoplifting. thieving and begging in a very aggressive manner.
The bobby said there is 2 families of Roma in Sleaford and 90% of there time is took up with them,
He does not live on a council estate either why cant these problem foreign familys live next door to the politically correct were they could live in harmony togeather.

Of course we do believe him....it's just that plenty of English people could have been reported doing the same kind of thing

the point being made is.............we already have enough problems without bringing in more known troublemakers. Nobody has a problem with people coming here to work and contribute to our society. However it isn't without good reason that many Romanians are accused of causing trouble.
Ask the residents of Prague what their "contribution" to that city's tourist industry is!!!!

I think you're confusing the Romanians with the Roma peoples, the people we term as gypsies. They're two entirely separate entities.

he did mention Romanians, like..............and a lot of Romany people come from that neck of the woods!!!!!
A shame for the genuine hard working people from over there, but it's like the reputation of England football fans abroad innit? Preconceived ideas etc etc......... but there are a lot of people who fulfill these expectations sadly.

Parmo, this is true in every walk of life. People fulfil behavioural patterns whether it is expected of them or not. Preconceived ideas are not some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.

In the case of the Roma (not Romanians in general) it is unfortunate that they have a set of values that are often incompatible with ours. It is also unfortunate that they have no place to call their own where they can practise those values.

It is Roma not Romanians as i said and they are animals the bloke had a slash in the front garden last night with all the kids there.

Aye there is a limit.

I don't think this has anything to do with the being Liberal or the Liberal Party

perhaps the Labour Party 'could' shoulder some of the blame, but I would never dare suggest anyone is trying to expliot cheap foreign labour

Good, 'cause getting them to work legit is a bit like trying to shit a cruise missile.

Hey don't look at me, I'm an immigrant and I've got TWO jobs!!

No, it's not true that I'm condoning this, (if I am one of the lily-livered liberals )

The point I was making was that 'immigrant' misbehaviour is always being reported as tho one case implied the guilt of a whole ethnic group, whereas the same sort of behaviour by a 'native' person isn't interpreted like that.

As evidence, Mr Mouldy has identified the problem as 'Romany' behaviour, not just 'bad neighbours'.

Agree with you mutters people can be as liberal as makes them feel good and turn the other cheek but if they moved next door to them then it would not be on..

No one is condoning anti-social behaviour for fook's sake but go ahead and put that spin on it if it helps you vent your bile. It's nothing to do with being lily livered, it's to do with being frustrated with people selecting one detail and basing a sweeping argument on it, then repeating it ad nauseaum as if saying it often enough would make it irrefutably right.

The way you are talking, the MAJORITY of antisocial behaviour comes from foreigners, which you know as well as I do isn't true.
I've admitted Roma have a compatibility problem, but at no point have I said you should tolerate bad neighbours FFS!!

Compatibilty problems they are filthy scum that are a burden on my taxes eating away at this country from within draining our NHS. living off the benefits of the working man no wonder hospitals and post offices are closing there is more money going out than coming in but lets not worry as long as we all become compatible with each other... bollocks.

Ah but some people are good at saying things ad nauseam to make their theories right. That is how they justify making sweeping statements. It puts a meaning on their otherwise sad existence. Laughable really but not funny. There are immigrants and there are immigrants. They shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush. There are immigrants in this country who save lives on a daily basis. I have reason to be grateful to some of them.

They can't claim benefits though, or has that changed?

Hospitals aren't closing because of Poles and Romanies, they are closing because of economic mismanagement and greed

And lets not forget some of Hartlepools finest, including Mt Peter Owens

So if they cannot claim benefit how are they homed and fed.
its all false ecomomy the foreigns that are working here have took more from this country than they will ever pay back in tax.
NHS.
Doctors.
Schools.
interputors.
forms and litreture in hundreds of languese.

If immigrants enhance the local economy, society and make an attempt to improve themselves they should be welcomed. If like these lot in the original post they bring now't but trouble then we should boot them out without a seconds thought.

Agree with you 100%.

Mouldy, I'm genuinely sorry your family is suffering all this annoyance, but you seem intent on twisting my words to keep your anger up. At no point did I say we should adapt to the Roma. They have their own code they live by that is incompatible with ours (which you prefer to interpret as "they are filthy scum"), but I am not suggesting for one minute we should change the code we live by to accommodate them here!!
You can go to plenty of places where English tourists or immigrants will be thought of as filthy scum (think Gary Glitter), and by the same token I'm not expecting those places to adapt either.

I'm slowly understanding what "lily livered liberal" means now. It means someone who gets in the way of a good grumble by throwing a bit of objectivity between the spokes.

I maintain that only a xenophobe will tar a whole people with the same brush and in general blame foreigners for all our national ailments. From now on anyone who uses the term "do gooder" or "lily livered liberal" will go down as a fascist xenophobe in my little red mental notebook. You can't beat a good bit of name calling.

Mr Head i agree with you i do go off on one about this subject our David bought his house with his girlfriend when they were 20 three years ago and now he has Poles to the left of him roma to the right nearly burst in to song there and the area is going down hill and he is family and i feel for him.

Sounds like he ought to throw in the towel while the going's good and sell out. It's exasperating I know, but it might make more sense in the long run.

The point still is that their 'trouble-making' has nothing to do with their ethnicity

This is why I tried to be tactful by talking about compatibility. Enthnicity can have something to do with it.
Some ethnic or national groups have everyday practices we find a bit weird. Some of these we even find offensive. This works both ways and if we were in their country the shoe would no doubt be on the other foot.

But clearly there are also varying degrees of sociability among different families within any such group. Those at the anti-social end of the scale will compound the resentment against them by being both "weird", by their own customs, and by being anti-social by nature. Unfortunately they will thus tarnish the image of the whole of their group, who already had a hard time of it as it was.

I repeat, just to make it clear, in my view the onus is 100% on them to adapt. But we can also show tolerance up to a certain limit.

But why do you accept there trouble making as bye the bye.
We have enough of our own scum without importing it.

But didn't you think it was a 'hoot' when some posted a clip of a chav kicking a wall in

Where have I said I accept it?