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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:28 pm 
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right, i'm preparing myself for a beating here :laugh:

When i see Foley play, he reminds me of Jermaine Easter......only better

im obviously on about Easter from his Pools days....amazing in the reserves, but awful for the first team

Easter has gone on to do very well after gaining a few years experience.


Whats to say Foley cant do the same?

Everybody expects youngsters to automatically be good enough, it takes 2 or 3 years of regular first team football before you start to see the best of them, but you have to give them a chance.

At the end of the day, he tries his best and is learning all the time.

Is there any need at all for the abuse the poor kid is getting, some people should be ashamed of how they go on about him.



.....cue the onslaught sadx

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:42 pm 
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I not going to start any onslaught, I just dont believe the player in question is NOT good enough though I will be happy to be proved wrong.

He , is in my opinion, far to lightweight for the standard of football we are playing in, and I also believe he has nothing except some pace. His choice of what to do is on more occassions the wrong option, he attempts to take on a player when a pass is the best option and vice versa.

By way I actually thought Easter had something but wasnt given a fair chance at Pools' ,I believe the total opposite with Foley.To the point were I would never ever have him in any Pools' team. Sorry I just do .

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:46 pm 
misterb2001 wrote:
right, i'm preparing myself for a beating here :laugh:

When i see Foley play, he reminds me of Jermaine Easter......only better

im obviously on about Easter from his Pools days....amazing in the reserves, but awful for the first team

Easter has gone on to do very well after gaining a few years experience.


Whats to say Foley cant do the same?

Everybody expects youngsters to automatically be good enough, it takes 2 or 3 years of regular first team football before you start to see the best of them, but you have to give them a chance.

At the end of the day, he tries his best and is learning all the time.

Is there any need at all for the abuse the poor kid is getting, some people should be ashamed of how they go on about him.



.....cue the onslaught sadx



Easter gone on to do well.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jermaine_Easter


Very average, one good season, then Plymuff were fooled into buying him

I can't believe Rae was never given a chance and Foley continually gets a run out...


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:52 pm 
I think he's only really started to be criticised in the second part of this season when people have grew increasingly frustrated in him, I haven't seen any abuse really, he's performances have been reviewed but I haven't seen anything more than that. I think for a forward to have played as many minutes as he has in the football league and not to have scored is embarrassing, it's a monkey he needs to get off his back quickly.

He was as out of his depth as I've ever seen a player against a physical Nottingham Forest team in the last home game, he was so poor I began to feel sorry for him.

He's only ever impressed as an impact sub in the league below, even then he lacked end product.

We've seen a lot of him, and I don't think he's good enough for this level to be his size and make it you have to have exceptional ability. Maybe he needs to go out on loan in fourth division or conference for some toughening up, it won't make him grow though will it?

The ball is in his court but I think he's a lucky lad to be getting a further couple of years. Danny Wilson obviously see something in him the majority don't I hope he's right.

Easter is and was, shite.


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:21 pm 
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I think Foley looked excellent at times last season, usually as an impact sub as previously mentioned. He missed a few he should have scored but also was damn unlucky on a number of occasions as well. I believe if he had scored a few then, as he deserved to, then things might have been different. As it happens the ball didnt go in and that, together with a higher league, must have affected his confidence. I thought he was definitely one for the future last season. Michael Owen doesnt have any exceptional tricks or ability but has pace and the puts the ball in the net.
Foley needs to start putting the ball in the net from the start of next season or it will be curtains for him.
And thats fair enough...

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:57 pm 
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I want Foley and Robson to do well - they have come through our own youth system and they try hard and do their best. But, as someone has said, Foley has been frustrating to watch this season - last season he looked a great prospect but it just hasn't developed in the way we all wanted.

Maybe the management are right and we should give them both a bit longer. I sincerely hope it works out for all parties.


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:42 pm 
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BritishWestHpool wrote:
Foley needs to start putting the ball in the net from the start of next season or it will be curtains for him.
And thats fair enough...


completely agree.

i just think the criticism of him is unfair at times as he is still learning. I for one don't think he will make the grade, but he deserves a bit of support

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:11 pm 
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Foley is Istead-lite...... a jinky little dandy of a player who flatters to deceive. Does anyone get excited when he appears on the team sheet or comes on as sub...I know I don't.
He's the last in a line of mini players brought on to bring out the latent mothering instinct in the officials and grab the odd sympathy penalty as they're bullied off the ball, which is inevitable given the fact they have the weight and impact of a balloon on a stick
He appeared a 'prospect' at one time, but he's had ample time and opportunity to make an impact and hasn't...unless of course you're a fan of endless running and sideways passing, I'm not.
But, it appears Wilson is and rates him, so we'll just have to suck it and see..... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:51 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
Foley is Istead-lite...... a jinky little dandy of a player who flatters to deceive. Does anyone get excited when he appears on the team sheet or comes on as sub...I know I don't.


I did, last season. He made things happen, made an impact (as a sub)
I think we all know confidence is a massive thing in football, probably the most important thing unless you're a complete duffer.
Lets hope he gets a few goals next season - as sub hopefully
Then we might see him flourish.
Of course it might be that he needs confidence and a league below but time will tell...

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:10 am 
misterb2001 wrote:
BritishWestHpool wrote:
Foley needs to start putting the ball in the net from the start of next season or it will be curtains for him.
And thats fair enough...


completely agree.

i just think the criticism of him is unfair at times as he is still learning. I for one don't think he will make the grade, but he deserves a bit of support


I don't buy that like "still learning" what a load of tosh you sound like a woman (no sexism intended like :laugh: ) he has made the same amount of appearances as James Brown and is the same age, and just one year younger than Gary Liddle.

He's older than Godwin Antwi who's had far more pelters and who has much more talent.

If you're good enough you're old enough, if you aren't good enough you are never old enough!


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
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PJ_Poolie wrote:
misterb2001 wrote:
BritishWestHpool wrote:
Foley needs to start putting the ball in the net from the start of next season or it will be curtains for him.
And thats fair enough...


completely agree.

i just think the criticism of him is unfair at times as he is still learning. I for one don't think he will make the grade, but he deserves a bit of support


I don't buy that like "still learning" what a load of tosh you sound like a woman (no sexism intended like :laugh: ) he has made the same amount of appearances as James Brown and is the same age, and just one year younger than Gary Liddle.

He's older than Godwin Antwi who's had far more pelters and who has much more talent.

If you're good enough you're old enough, if you aren't good enough you are never old enough!


so what your saying is once you hit 21 (or whstever age he is) you stop learning sctatchinghead

im not trying to defend his talent, i'm just trying to stop all you big bullies picking on the poor kid :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:08 am 
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I remember chatting to Mr Mouldy after Joel Porters first Season, Mouldy reckoned that despite the stick the little Aussie was gettin from some quarters, he would prove pivotal in the coming seasons.

i know Foley has had more than one season but...

Make no rash decisions until Mystic Mouldy has been consulted is my advice :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:34 am 
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Bearing in mind that the likes of Foley are quite cheap to have on the books then surely theres no great problem with giving him another year. If Wilson was saying that Foley is our first choice centre forward then fair enough, criticise away but he isn't; as a squad player David Foley has got to be worth another throw of the dice.

I'm still shocked that Michael Rae was released although I noticed that after featuring for a few games for Southport he was on their bench for their last couple of matches. Even so, he wasn't given a real chance.

On the subject of kids, I am looking forward to seeing this goal machine Matty Tymon breaking into the first team.


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Mr I wrote:

On the subject of kids, I am looking forward to seeing this goal machine Matty Tymon breaking into the first team.


Can you really see this happening with Danny Wilson in charge Mr I?

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
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On past evidence I won't hold my breath but I live in hope.


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:31 am 
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Mr I wrote:
I'm still shocked that Michael Rae was released although I noticed that after featuring for a few games for Southport he was on their bench for their last couple of matches. Even so, he wasn't given a real chance.


I'm led to believe he was well thought of at Southport and his inclusion on the bench in the last playoff game was primarily a tactical decision.


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:50 am 
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people talk about Foley as an impact player. Exactly what is this impact he produces? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead sctatchinghead sctatchinghead confised confised confised confised stpid stpid stpid stpid

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
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Foley will be getting 'another chance' for years to come..." he's only 42, but he's still learning and after all he did come thought the system" ...the band of fundamentalists will chirp..."once he gets a bit of experience under his belt he might be OK... we'll give him another season"... and they actually believe it. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
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spot on. and im sure he is shrinking,soon they are going to have to cut the grass at half time so we can see him play both halves. :laugh:


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
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Imagine if we had bought Foley, would people rate him then?

He is only rated, by the very few that actually do rate him, because he came through the youth system.

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 Post subject: Re: Foley
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:12 pm 
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Last season he had impact. I cant comment on this season as I've seen so few games though from the comments by everyone else I understand he hasnt performed as we and he would have liked.
Last season though, he came on and upped the tempo. He got the ball and ran at tired legs and the team looked more likely to produce and score. Granted, looked like and and actually did do are different things. I believed last season he made a difference when he came on and his pace caused many problems for tiring defenders. If only his shots had gone in instead of going just wide or hitting the woodwork - but yes I know thats if only.
Last season he definitely had positive impact in my opinion.
This season has obviously been different.
I think he has the potential but that he needs to score goals when he has the chances.
Given that he will cost very little I'm fine about him being kept on (though admittedly I havent seen much of him this season).
What happens with other players to me is irrelevant as other youth players that could have been kept on but weren't should not have made much difference financially.
Give him a season I say. Let him and fate decide what happens thereafter

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I think now he's playing at a higher level pace alone won't make much of an impact, you need a bit more about you.

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he is not the only one too come thru the system,he has had that bit of luck to make it,but i have seen better and stronger players released,[i think wilson may put him in goal next season] rolfl


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 Post subject: Re: Foley
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Foley wasn't given the oppertunity when he was doing ok, after he won the game in the league cup he should of been given a start but Wilson didn't even use him in many games in the 6 weeks after that tie.

I think that league one is probably too high a level for Foley but I think he could do a job in the Fourth Division.....


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