Time after time Wilson told us there was going to be changes to the team this summer, So how does he respond...By not releasing players from the youth team and one old pro and not a single player who played the majority of the season including our disgusting away record of 15 defeats from 23 games!

Then our chairman says were not going to spend money this summer, Well guess what neither am i!!

Season ticket...Err no thanks!!

Transfer window aint even open yet

We need 1 Striker to back up Porter/Barker/Brown, Maybe a new keeper too

We need RB and LB... Seems B Clarke is now Defensive midfielder again..

What is the problem??

Whats going to change from last year then, whats going to stop us making them mistake we have made ALL season.

Why has Danny Wilson had a massive u-turn from only a few weeks ago, when he said there is going to be some shocks in the summer and an influx of players will come.

Correct me if im wrong but if the chairman says were spendng no money this summer that indeed is what is going to happen.

£450 to watch the SAME shite as last season, not for me and not for a lot of other im guessing.

You dont need to ram it down our throats.. Your entitled to your opinion... but you seem to think we should be splashing the cash when we have lost a good 2k off the fan base due to stay aways..

Jesus christ man go have a beer and chill out

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Im guessing you were pleased with last season then, and you feel you got full value for money?

First season in league 1, Consolidation (granted due to financial diffuculties) But we still would have finished above the drop, There is nothing to say Bournemouth would have had that run if they didnt get the penalty.

So Yes it was frustrating but a decent season we are a League 1 club and ready to push on next year

No not for me either season ticket will not be getting renewed and home games will now be limited, i would rather go fishing than watch that crap again next season. will attend the away games though as they tend to be good days out ha!

Think Big Ken will get a shock come the first game of the season when season ticket sales will probably be in the region of 600

Erm no, if you read it again its a dig at Wilson what he says and what he does are 2 totally different things.

All talk, no action.

Obviously not.

not really. I have been loyal to HUFC since i was only 8 years old going every home game and some away with my father. since i turned 16 and earned my own money i have bought a season ticket (minus 3 seasons when i played in the northern league) so from leaving school i bought a season ticket for 2 years then played northern league for 3 and then the last 5 i have bought season tickets. averaging 11 away days over the past 5 season also i would count myself as a loyal fan to HUFC.

But Wilson and Hodcroft continually promise to move the club forward and as Wilson stated there would be massive changes in the summer. But out of the released list he has let go 70% of the list are youth team one was a loan back to his parent club, one was past it. so he again has failed to deliver. I was going to pools when we were getting less than 1000.

But i cant see where wilson is taking the club next season keeping the majority of the squad that were garbage last season

Cant disagree with that but we'll maybe have to wait a couple of months because there i'm sure be more comings and goings before the season starts.

well i hope so, but until it does i wont be renewing my season ticket.

if we make some good signings then i will probably renew, but until we do iwont be

At first glance it looks unambitious but what you've seen today is only half the story. The squad last season was paper thin and not good enough. We need to see who is brought in before anyone can make a judgement. If we sign four good players in the right areas then we've got a chance.

Which areas? I'd personally like to see a keeper, a striker, a proper left back, and a good holding midfielder.........................i suspect we'll see none however!

Goalkeeper, Left back, Right back, Forward (if Porter goes)

We've got a great defensive midfielder in Ben Clark.

A goalkeeper, a left back, a creative centre midfielder and a right winger (James Brown should not be playing on the wing, he should be up front) are the most important for me. Maybe some more cover up front as well.

I think we need...

Keeper; Left Back; Right Back; Right Winger (Keep Brown as 1st choice, but we cannot keep using centre midfielders & strikers to do that job); and a striker to replace Barker as 1st choice.

Amazed Foley is being offered a contract, Robson has had more than enough chances and should have gone. Pleased we've taken up the option on Porter (Just hope he can stay injury free).

We have a creative central midfielder. A very good one. If we get a proper left back then it will allow him to play in the middle of the pitch.

I'm not convinced but we'll see.

no i understand what you are saying, and as much as i twist on that i wont be there next season i will be. I wont be buying a season ticket though but will probably just pay in on the gate. It is my birthday the end of June, and that is normally my present of the missus, but i might just hold off on buying one.

I think if the season ticket sales are down Hodcroft and Wilson might shat themselves and think about their actions should they not buy anyone before theseason starts

I have been a season ticket holder for more years than I care to remember and will renew again this season.

I cant understand why people who have purchased a season ticket for many years, always resort to the "I'm not renewing this season" due to the fact they disagree with what the incumbent at the time decides, whether that , as in this case the retained list, or who he starts in certain games, or who he brings into the club.

Wilson has not set out to distance himself from the fans with his retained list, he has done what he considers to be best for the club in the forthcoming season, and before anyone says, I do disagree with his released list, I believe some more needed to be on it (Robson Foley Budtz Boland to name a few)

But not renewing season ticket will result in only 1 thing, and that is a lack of quality players being brought in to strengthen the positions, he wants to as he will have less money for buying or wages.

So before jumping to a heart felt decision, as some seem to have done on here, but let your head decide what you should do and if you think about it in the near future, you will see purchasing a season ticket will in the end be the best decision for the TEAM.

So lets start to support those decisions which I'm sure Wilson didnt take lightly and lets give him the money he may just need to improve what he believes is a reasonable "part" squad to go into the following season.

COME ON POOLS'

Good point, well put...But

You say not renewing will only result in a lack of quality players being brought in to our club.

Normally i'd go along with that but after hearing the chairman at the player of the year do i feel a bit dissapointed in that it doesnt matter wether i or anyone else get a season ticket or not, he has decided no money will be spent on the team regardless.

Negative comments like that coupled with ticket prices are not going to bring the fans back.

I think he did, how did you take his comments then?

As I heard it he said that they weren't going to spend silly money, not that they weren't going to spend any money.

There is a massive difference.

What is silly money to pools?

We rarely spends cash our biggest buy is around 100k.

And......

How many clubs of our size spend more, you can include the ones that have gone, or will go, tits up if you like.....

BUt we keep getting fed false promises. How many has Wilson made?

I promise i wont tinker with the team (I believe he quoted this in a Friday night mail)
Come saturday changes!

I Promise there will be massive casualties this summer
1 regular 1st team player if you can call Elliott that (Gibb has been out on loan and the rest are all youth team)

Its all bull $hit and we keep believing them! Whether Pools sell 4000 season tickets this summer or 4 I bet he only signs shite again like he has done since being here

Were not talking about other clubs, we only care about our own...

The point being people are saying we need 4-5 good signings to add to a squad that was very poor last season, then our chairman come's out with comments which suggest were not going to spend the money required to get these players.

Its not going to happen, we may sign players but i doubt we will pay money although i seriously hope im wrong.

You cant sell a product with a bad advert.

OK, 4 or 5 decent signings at 65000+ each.....
Add that to the wage bill
All on crowds of 4500

Season ticket prices way more than they should be, so why shouldnt we expect a bit of ambition?

Keeping our key players like we have done and signing a good pair of full backs and a good striker would be ambition in my eyes.

What would you class as ambition?

because we have third lowest attendance in the league ( Que madjohn)

Mate stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.. Pool's raise the tickets to compete with other teams.. Point out one team in league 1 outside of the top 10 who have spent 200k+

Without scouring the net, I would think our season ticket prices are about right, given the average crowd, the loss IOR carry over every year and the size of squad

We will always be hamstrung with crowds of 4500-6500, we cannot compete with the likes of Forest, Leeds, Hudds and even Carlisle, unless IOR commit financial suicide

Id just like to hear some positive noises come from the club, instead of saying were not gonna spend 'silly money' come and and say if we come across the right player wle'l back the manager 100% even if they dont mean it it will sell tickets and at least sounds good.

Getting rid of players who blatently arent good enough would of been a step in the right direction instead of offering them another deal therefore giving us half a chance to bring better players in.

I just fear for our gates next season i think fans who had season tickets in the past are really being tested this summer.

Saying it and not meaning it would actually piss me off more than being honest does.

Maybe it's just me?

SO say Wilson buys these signings we all know we need. Will he play a new aquired right back at right back or play him where he wants (McCunnie?) and play more midfield players in defence, forwards on the wings defenders in midfield!

this farce just sums up everything wilson do the world a favour and slink out of town
foley a contract sick joke ditto boland robson and mckay who not only
suffers headless chicken but could not trap a cement bag cleanly let alone a football

to ken hodcroft do the decent thing and get rid of wilson NOW

Do you ever wonder why we had the 3rd lowest gate last season, the last time we were in league one we got 5,500 -6,000 regularly the fans are there, some just need tempting out.

Why am i digging a hole, because my opinion is different to yours?

Last time we did not have all these high spending teams here.. the "big" teams bar forest were not here... Swansea were not as well off as they are now.

Your just seeing what YOU want to see

Also we do NOT have a god given right to be up in the play offs year on year or relegation scrap just to give you some satisfaction.. There are other teams vying for those spots too.

Put your Dummy back in we had an "average" season get over it and wait for the transfer window to end before waffling on again!

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Last time we did not have all these high spending teams here.. the "big" teams bar forest were not here... Swansea were not as well off as they are now.

Your just seeing what YOU want to see

Also we do NOT have a god given right to be up in the play offs year on year or relegation scrap just to give you some satisfaction.. There are other teams vying for those spots too.

Put your Dummy back in we had an "average" season get over it and wait for the transfer window to end before waffling on again![/quote]

Who said we have a god given right to be in the play offs? Not me, your seeing what YOU want to see there aim afraid.

Im merely stating we have the fans out there to become an all round better club, but we are failng to entice them back!

Thats the end of it for me now, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Roll on next season

Having missed what Hodcroft said, my train from York was an hour late (having been on drink all day for leaving do). I cant and wont comment on his actual words.

But ,if I'm correct all teams are restricted to a spend of 60% of their turnover. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

Now as season ticket sales are INCOME to spend we need season tickets to sell.

Now as I stand in the Town end I can only comment on the price of a ticket for that end (and presumeably for standing on terrace on Mill House side) Now the cost is £354 if we sell a thousand standing season tickets that is the grand total of £354000 allowing the grand total of £212400 to be spent from that.

Now if we go for Duffy, his alleged fee would be £100,000 now if we were to pay an estimated wage of £2000 per week it would come to £104000 for the year.

A grand total of £204000 almost the total amount of 60% from the standing season tickets sold.

Now I'm no great mathematician but from those figures alone everyone of the fans' who dont renew season ticket next year will mean Duffy is almost certainly out of any equation and will not join Pools'. If that estimated number of season tickets for standing is lowered to 950 ( income £336300 ) spending of 60% equals £201780.

That leaves a deficit on standing season tickets of £2220 if a player like Duffy was to be purchased.

Now thats what I think Hodcroft would mean by spending silly money as they would have to subsidise that signing. Now I know people will say I have to take into account tickets for seating in Mill House and Cyril Knowles but all I'm trying to do is point out that we need season tickets to be sold if we are to try and tempt the players of the right quality and not just either players wanting a final pay day or players who simply aren't good enough for this League.

So once more get out purchase your season ticket and lets see who is brought in, and then let's get behind everyone including Wilson and see what next season brings.

With James Brown only on the one year option I can see him being sold during the summer as the value of players fall dramatically when they only have months before they can walk on a free (or tribunal fee for the younger players). If Sir Ken can strike a longer term contract to keep Brownie then he may be around for the centenary season. But I can see the money we get for him being spent on bringing a few players such as Duffy to the Vic. The worst scenario is that he isn't sold until the transfer window is about to close and we end up with insufficient time to sign the replacements.

But there a major problem there in that Brown isnt the only player who have had their years' option took up by the club.

Liddle, Monkhouse, Porter and Nelson all fall into that category.

Hopefully they will all be offered longer deals, before that option runs out otherwise we may find ourselves in major problems come end of the 2008/09 season as we will need to find far to many replacements for the following season.

Yet another reason to purchase season tickets to enable the club to offer the players mentioned further contracts to ensure we have a settled nucleus of a side.

I think Brown is the only one likely to go for big money. The rest should be offered deals according to how they fit into the overall scheme of things.

I think he did almost say what you have said (apart from the nonsense about not meaning it). He said they'll spend the money if the player is right and it's an area that needs strengthening. They've never thought the solution to a problem was throwing hundreds of thousands of pounds at it.

I tell you what I like about IOR, they don't make lavish predictions about getting to the Championship in x years like some owners, they do have the ambition to get to that level eventually though. The way they want to do that is with stability and steady improvement.

I'm all for that.

As has already been said Foley and Robson will be on peanuts, if we can replace the released players with 4-5 players who are good enough to play in league one next season we will have a much stronger squad than we did this season when at times it was exposed as threadbare especially after we lost Moore and Barker and Brown were injured.

What the fuck do you mean "what is the problem"??? The probolem is fuckin evident that we were utter utter tripe last season and it looks like very little is to change. At least 5 players in our first team are no better than whats on the rec yet get contracts. We have a manager devoid of any idea what he is doing and I for one will not be buying a season ticket next season. No money to spend and same squad and same useless fat 'lovely lovely person' of a manager? No fucking thanks.

You're hilarious!!!

Ladies and gentleman I present you Mr Trees season review of the clubs 4th highest finish ever and his thoughts on only the 4th manager to ever get the club promoted, and in doing so achieving more points in a season than the club ever has.

I was pissed off with last season but it's over now, chill out you rarf!

Not if there are a lot of clubs interested and the player really is worth a bit of coin.