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 Post subject: Rwanda.
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:36 pm 
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Just watched a film called Sometimes In April about the genocide in Rwanda and it makes you wonder if there is a god up there to let things like that happen shocking.

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 Post subject: Re: Rwanda.
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:44 pm 
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Just watched a film called Sometimes In April about the genocide in Rwanda and it makes you wonder if there is a god up there to let things like that happen shocking.



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TalbotAvenger wrote:
mouldy old dough wrote:
Just watched a film called Sometimes In April about the genocide in Rwanda and it makes you wonder if there is a god up there to let things like that happen shocking.



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 Post subject: Re: Rwanda.
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MadJohn wrote:
I've not seen the film but I did read Philip Gourevitch's book (We wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families) a few years ago. Truly awful stuff, beautifully written but a difficult read. He is particularly damning of the squirming attempts of the rest of the world to avoid taking any action. Signatories of the Genocide Convention are obliged to act to stop genocide, so the like of the United Nations and Clinton's US administration started using terms like "possible genocide" or "possible acts of genocide". Then the US gave an imaginative reinterpretation of the Genocide Convention, stating that it didn't "oblige" them to act, it only "enabled" them to do so. Genius!
If you get the chance to view it MJ do so as you say the world sat and watched as whole familys were butchered not ashamed to say had a wee tear in my eye.

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 Post subject: Re: Rwanda.
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I've not seen the film but I did read Philip Gourevitch's book (We wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families) a few years ago. Truly awful stuff, beautifully written but a difficult read. He is particularly damning of the squirming attempts of the rest of the world to avoid taking any action. Signatories of the Genocide Convention are obliged to act to stop genocide, so the like of the United Nations and Clinton's US administration started using terms like "possible genocide" or "possible acts of genocide". Then the US gave an imaginative reinterpretation of the Genocide Convention, stating that it didn't "oblige" them to act, it only "enabled" them to do so. Genius!


The French were even worse - not only did they supply the Hutus with arms, they knew what was being planned and then discouraged any intervention, believing it would damage their interests in the area. I'm doing a module on Genocide and Mass Killings at the moment and out of the 5 we're studying (Armenia, Nazis, Soviets, Cambodia and Rwanda), Rwanda, to me, is definitely the most shocking. The death rate in Rwanda was 5 times that of Auschwitz at its peak. Unbelievable.


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Kolley Kibber wrote:
MadJohn wrote:
I've not seen the film but I did read Philip Gourevitch's book (We wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families) a few years ago. Truly awful stuff, beautifully written but a difficult read. He is particularly damning of the squirming attempts of the rest of the world to avoid taking any action. Signatories of the Genocide Convention are obliged to act to stop genocide, so the like of the United Nations and Clinton's US administration started using terms like "possible genocide" or "possible acts of genocide". Then the US gave an imaginative reinterpretation of the Genocide Convention, stating that it didn't "oblige" them to act, it only "enabled" them to do so. Genius!


The French were even worse - not only did they supply the Hutus with arms, they knew what was being planned and then discouraged any intervention, believing it would damage their interests in the area. I'm doing a module on Genocide and Mass Killings at the moment and out of the 5 we're studying (Armenia, Nazis, Soviets, Cambodia and Rwanda), Rwanda, to me, is definitely the most shocking. The death rate in Rwanda was 5 times that of Auschwitz at its peak. Unbelievable.
And over a short period of time Adam.

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