I see that news reports this morning have Danny boy getting into the ribs of his players, virtually saying that a fair number of them are not good enough (for this division?), presumably some of his signings included, and is asking (through the media) IOR to fund replacements for next season.

Now Danny has had some spectacular failures in both loan and permanent signings so what do you reckon his chances are of being around to sign anybody or being trusted to sign improvements to what we have already?

Sounds like a forerunner for a parting of the ways with Wilson saying he wants more than he's getting before he gets the big heave-ho.

In a straight choice between IOR and Danny Wilson then IOR have my vote every time.

Ta ta Danny.

I think you're right Mr Ripper - this looks like a pre-cursor for DW's departure. I have also heard the rumours that he (DW that is) is mightily brassed off at the board and having little or no contact with them. Instead, he only has contact with Turner who invariably turns down any request that he makes.

Looks like they might be forcing DW out and getting Turner in to replace him. I'm not a great fan of DW but I do sometimes wonder what IOR are playing at. We get through far too many managers, sack some perfectly good ones without a reason being given, then keep others for far too long

Turner Coops and Wilson have all signed there fair share of good and rubbish players, i think it's the nature of this level, you have to take a chance on players and see if they sink or swim.

For every Gordon Watson there is a Sperrevik

For every Joel Porter there is a Ryan McCann

And for every Monkhouse there is a..... Ali Gibb, Antwi, Budtz, Allison, Craddock etc

Farking hell, talk about assumptions and rumour mongering!

Wilson says in the papers that some players are just not good enough and suddenly its become a statement of fact that its a battle of wills between DW & IOR.

To me it simply looks like he's saying that there will be a major clear out come May.

Ryan McCann the invisible man, who probably spent a total of less than half an hour on the pitch for the first team?
I'm not quite sure why you chose him as the antithesis of Joel.

Meaning what?

Some of you need to face facts; all of this hearsay and rumour is complete bollox. There's only one man who makes big decisions at Pools and thats KH. The undeniable fact that we do know about the man is that he does not spout off to all and sundry about personnel issues. If he is considering dispensing with DW's services then only he and possibly Chris Turner will know about it.

What the fat bloke down the pub may or may not have heard doesn't really come into it.

Ah, I see you've rumbled my source of info then

The great manager in the sky is notoriously cagey about the whys and wherefores of life but it doesn't stop us speculating and making deductions

It depends what you call yourself

Oi!!! Leave me out of this!!!

do i take it you are still defending DW

Show me where I've defended him.

I've said that the players are culpable as well as the manager but you won't find anything with me saying how wonderful he is.

the question was now not what you might have said are you defending danny wilson now?

Is he not allowed to defend him like?

i have been saying the same thing since the home game v tranmeere and still stick by it
what you might call local knowledge

did i say he could not defend him? a simple question

I did not know this rule Mr. Hero.

Apologies

Wilson out

PS Get me some sweets next time I see you in the shops

i never started roll on next season without him

I think that the fact is that Wilson's record at Pools is better than any previous manager. Yes this season has not been great but we've got a team which is mostly good div 4 / average div 3 players. It should be no suprise therefore when we don't run away with Div 3.

I don't think any manager would have done better than mid table with this group of players. Some are not good enough, some are and others are just too comfortable. We need a shake up and a clear out. I'd like to see at least four or five core players replaced with better quality. If thats done then perhaps we can move forward.

Naw, I can't be bothered any more. We've all been through the "who do you keep" "who do you release" threads tediously regularly. I'm not going to list players but its not going to suprise anyone if I started with the defence. We have roughly 6-8 first team squad players across the positions who cannot or do not perform up to the level.

Danny Wilson is the Manager and will remain Manager until Ken Hodcroft decides otherwise. In the cold light of day he's took us up at his first attempt and followed that up with consolidation. He simply is not going to get sacked for that. Live with it because no matter how much you whinge on it won't change that basic fact.

Yes strawberry bon bons will do just fine.

And don't eat them all before you leave the shop like last time!

as everyone knows you are only as good as your last game in football at any level and you are not kidding when you say this season has not been great
so on this season alone wilson has failed failure at any level means the sack
but i can see you are miffed so we wait till the fat chanter starts and watch the fireworks

You aren't wrong Ian.
I can think of plenty of examples of managers getting the boot after one bad season despite performing well in previous season(s). Ray Mathias with Tranmere jumps to mind. Ian Holloway with QPR is another one. Sturrock with Wednesday also. And those examples are off the top without even thinking.

Mike Newell didn't even last a season....

And didn't all those clubs do well afterwards.

My point is this; there isn't a single example of a club being consistantly successful if they change their manager every season. The main example that we can aspire to is Crewe under Dario Gradi.

Manager A takes over a club who have just been relegated. After shaping them up they go on a record breaking run to win promotion at the first attempt. The following season is a bit up and down but they finish in a respectable mid table position because now they're in the league above some of their players get found out at that level and need replacing. This reveals itself as a lack of consistancy but in reality the players who got promoted were good enough to do well in a poor league but not good enough for the league above.

Manager A has persisted with the established players but deep down he knows that come the summer some new blood is needed. Still, consolidation has been achieved which is surely acceptable for the first season back in a higher league. Club A can look forward to another season in the higher league and with a few better players they can even challenge at the top.

You know what? you lot are so fooking spoilt after the last decade of consistant (nearly) success.

No I haven't and they haven't.

I never said that Wilson is the be all and end all, I'm just trying to be a touch more pragmatic that you and your rabid mate.

Does he mean me?

no he means me
i dont call stripping a team of its best players and brining in lesser players as consolidation
it will ultimately end with manager A getting the sack

Bet it doesn't.

sack or walk same end product
if i had money i would become a gambler

But Wilson has had players available this season who would almost certainly have led us to a higher league placing and provided more entertaining football for the supporters if he had played them and played them in their correct positions.

It is this more than any thoughts of consolidation, finding our level, punching above our weight etc etc etc which pisses me and many others off. It is the knowledge that things could have been better if he hadn't been such a stubborn self righteous bastad.

The jumped up little cnt even said in last nights Mail that with him in charge we have to expect and put up with a load more boring tactics and football next season so what do you think that does to the chances of me and many others buying season tickets?

Well said.