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 Post subject: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:29 pm 
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Every year we get "How come St Patricks day gets celebrated & St Georges doesnt".
The answer is dead simple,Guinness are good at marketing & the English public are apathetic whingers.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:30 am 
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Or could it be that St. Patricks has been the Irish national holiday for as long as anyone can remember whereas the English have never had one, and even if they did, St George's Day would be a very poor candidate.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:39 am 
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and why is that a bad candidate?

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:51 am 
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GroovyCrimes wrote:
Every year we get "How come St Patricks day gets celebrated & St Georges doesnt".
The answer is dead simple,Guinness are good at marketing & the English public are apathetic whingers.


This is very true to an extent. Every year I recieve huge amounts of P.O.S rubbish from Guinness although I never use it. Come St Georges's day I recieve nothing, So have to go but my own.
2 years ago St georges day fell on a Sunday so I decieded we'd have a party in the pub, until the local fire safety/police occifers came in and told me to take down the bunting due to the fact it was a fire hazard.............That turned out to be bull shi*, apparently I was offending people ( how can I say this) people not from this country.
After refusing to take the bunting down I received I slap on the wrists, and a black mark on my licence from our local council. blastt


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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:12 pm 
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and why is that a bad candidate?

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Well for a start we are not a religious country so why celebrate a saint?
And even if we were going to celebrate a saint why pick one who never came within 2000 miles of England in his life?
Surely there must be some more memorable occasion to celebrate than a bloody saint's day. The French celebrate their revolution, the Yanks their independence, the Jocks their greatest poet, the Dutch and the Thais their monarchs, the Australians the first European settlement on the continent, the Canadians their first Constitution, etc., etc.
If we make St George's our national day all we're doing is copying the Paddies and showing our lack of imagination (we've got a bigger saint than you he killed a dragon na na na).

About the only event we celebrate (rather than commemorate) in this country is the Gunpowder Plot. Don't tell me a country with a history like ours has nothing better to celebrate. And it had better be English. No Sweaties or Taffs thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:52 pm 
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I could be wrong but was St George Turkish and catholic.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:41 pm 
Let's not go through all that shite again....he wasn't even English, we aren't a actholic country etc etc!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

The bottom line is we celebrate the irish patron saints day and we don't/can't celebrate ours and to me that is very wrong!!!! confised :evil: confised

That is my final say on the matter cos we have this argument/debate every year and it's very boring!!!! confised :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
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The ironic thing is, that according to current excavations in Cumbria, St Patrick was born near Barrow. He's English.... rolfl

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
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MutleyRules wrote:
That is my final say on the matter

Good because in that case you won't argue with what I'm about to say! :laugh: :laugh:

Making St. George's our national day, or simply celebrating it as a kind of riposte to the Irish, is lame. We can think of better reasons to celebrate than trying to get one over on the Paddies who to their credit have cornered the market in saints' days.

I've no problem with having a national day, I've no problem with having a red cross on a white background as the national flag, I have no problem at all with yelling "I'm English"' at the top of my voice, but I do have a problem with epitomising St George as a statement of Englishness.

So go away and come back with something better! St George can go and get fooked as can every other saint for that matter.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:36 am 
Right....

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
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Richard M. Head wrote:
So go away and come back with something better! St George can go and get fooked as can every other saint for that matter.


That's put paid to my idea of proposing St Cuthbert as an alternative then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuthbert_of_Lindisfarne

They must have thought a lot of him, last millennium, they built a nice looking building to keep his remains in Durham.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:59 am 
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Why is the arguement that "St Patricks Day is celebrated more than St Georges" or "St David's more than St Georges". Why isn't it St Patricks compared to St Andrews. Or St Andrews compared to St Davids? Why do they always pick the English to compare themselves with but the English don't work the comparison the other way?

Because the English don't have or need something to compare themselves with. We don't need to rail about our "Englishness" We're comfortable with it. No-one has ever subjugated us (When the Romans came there was no "England") since William the Conqueror and what's the point about feeling downtrodden about something that happened a thousand years ago?

The English look forward more because we're comfortable with our past.

Besides, altogether as British we're about 1.2% of the worlds population and yet have had a massive effect on the scientific, medical, geo-political,artistic, democratical development of the world.
Isn't that what we should be celebrating. Not this "We're more patriotic than you" rubbish. Especially when associated with irrelevant religious symbols.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:06 pm 
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Richard M. Head wrote:
So go away and come back with something better! St George can go and get fooked as can every other saint for that matter.


That's put paid to my idea of proposing St Cuthbert as an alternative then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuthbert_of_Lindisfarne

They must have thought a lot of him, last millennium, they built a nice looking building to keep his remains in Durham.


No, that's a great idea, Mr BP.
Cuthbert is a bloke well worth remembering and one of the few proper, all-round saints

PS To reply to Mr Rain Dog, in addition, Cuthbert wasn't in my opinion religious primarily, but spiritual


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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:55 pm 
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Why is the arguement that "St Patricks Day is celebrated more than St Georges" or "St David's more than St Georges". Why isn't it St Patricks compared to St Andrews. Or St Andrews compared to St Davids? Why do they always pick the English to compare themselves with but the English don't work the comparison the other way?



Nobody compares themselves to the English,the whinge that we hear every year is from the English themselves

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:58 pm 
who cares?


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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
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A logical choice would be Athelstan's day.
See, the nation of England didn't even exist until Athelstan united it in 927.

The problem is no one knows what date in 927 this happened; but that's OK, we can choose a date at random to suit us (much the same way saint's days are chosen at random!). :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:43 pm 
Salty, it pains me when you fall into this alienated frame of mind. Remember, we are all star dust :sweeeet:

Richard, I think Athelstan is the gadgie who was responsible for building the arch in Beverley High Street, wasn't he?
He's supposed to have been marching to war in the north, stopped over in Beverley and promised that if the natives helped him, he would come back and build that. Which he did. I saw it when I was at Beverley Folk Fest once


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:15 pm 
Alsation Day???? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:34 pm 
we have a song called Athelstan :sweeeet:


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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
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The Queen. = German.
Phillip. = Greek.
St George. = Turkish.
The Corgi's. = Welsh.

So were does the english come into it. sctatchinghead rolfl

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How about St Ivel? The patron saint of low fat spreads? Would fit in well with all the healthy eating climate. Everyone could wear gold for the day, and eat sarnies, toast, jacket potatoes and everything else associated with low fat spreads.

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 Post subject: Re: St Patricks v St Georges
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:13 pm 
What about Ian St.John???? confised sctatchinghead

Oh shit....he's a Scot!!!! confised confised


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