just read an article on your adopted country shocked and disgusted
the zoo's round the country are turning into roman style circuses
tying rubber bands round the necks of tortoises to stop them tucking their heads under their shell as the tourist's throw coins at them
it is supposed to bring good luck if you can bounce the local fifty pence of the napper of a slow moving tortoise
then we have the spectacle of a bloke buying a goat from the "KIDDIE FARM" excuse the non intentional pun as this thread is serious
then he proceeds to throw this goat into the lions pen where on landing the poor wee thing tries to make a run for it and fifty grown lions tear it to pieces as enthralled chinese famies applaud politely
how long before they start throwing christians although you should be ok on that score
can you make an official bunker complaint to your local party rep

Sounds good to me.

What's the address and how much is it to get in?

Sounds a bit shite, but the UK, and the NE in particular, has an abysmal record when it comes to animal welfare

the post script to the article was
while the familes finish off their vist with a barbequed dog [skye terriers a local delicacy]
so they have that one covered aswell

So they eat dogs, so bloody what, the mutts in question arent bread as family pets, so whats the issue, its just another animal as far as they are concerned

Exactly.

There are millions of Indians not overly chuffed about our love of roast beef and steak.

And a few ragheads who are none too keen that we like to munch our way through bacon and pork chops.

Each to their own.

I would happily try dog meat.

Not dog cock you silly old fool

scrag end of dog on order for ripper then

Why?

It's only meat.

If you were at a barbeque and were offered a sandwich with what turned out to be cooked human flesh in it would you be tempted to try it? Bearing in mind that whoever it was had obviously already been killed, so they were dead regardless of whether or not you ate the meat, would you be curious enough to see what it tasted like?

I would.

Why, they arent bred as pets, they dont keep them as pets, I really can't see the problem

Are you a veggie Mr Mutley?

I'll read it in the morning.

well in the mean time i have ordered six pounds of CORGI spare ribs and a crate of budgie hou dourves for the next bunker Meat
sorry mut "MEET"

1. When we kill Sheep for food we don't drop them into cauldron of boiling water like some countries do with Cats!!!!

2. When we kill Cows for food we don't bind their legs together and put them in cages which are too small for one with other Cows which some countries do with Dogs!!!!
We also don't make the others watch the HORRIFIC killing which they say makes the meat more tender!!!

3. Feeding time at Zoos in a civilised country involves meat....not live animals which have a chance to escape in the wild during a hunt!!!!

Yes I know slaughterhouses and the transportation in this country could be less stressfull....a lot less in my opinion....for the animals but I think this country is heading down that road!!!!
I would love it....just love it....if every animal we reared for food was reared as naturally as possible and slaughtered as quickly and as painful as possible!!!!

It's not the eating of Dogs, Cats, Spiders, Monkeys etc etc that I'm against....it's the rearing of them and the killing of them that upsets me!!!!

Now read this and have a look at these Photos and then tell me it doesn't upset you....even just a little bit....

(PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT THE PHOTOS PEOPLE IF YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE UPSET....THEY SHOW GRAPHIC PHOTOS OF ANIMAL CRUELTY....ANYWAY DO LOOK AT THEM....EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS GOES ON!!!!)

"These are pictures of a market area on an embankment above the river in the old part of town. At the front there are puppies and kittens for sale as pets and further back are about 100 dogs waiting to be selected by customers. When selected the vendor puts the dog in a sack and weighs it. After a price is agreed the purchaser kills his dog and butchers it (sometimes in that order, more often in the reverse order). Business was brisk with a dog being killed about ever 5 minutes. There seemed to be two techniques. The one man technique was to hit the dog twice on the head with a wooden plank which dazed it sufficiently to make it safe for him to plunge his knife into its jugular without getting bitten. He then held the dog up by the tail until it bled into unconsciousness - he would then proceed to butcher it with the dog coming in and out of consciousness. With the two man technique, one man held the dog up by her tail while the other pulled the neck back with a wire round the dog's neck. The first man was then able to reach down, again without fear of being bitten, to sever the jugular vein. Since the dog was in no way stunned, she struggled and howled and urinated until passing out. The watching dogs were also shaking and howling. The dog was flung onto her back and the butchering began - consciousness returned on lying flat but she was too weak then to struggle much. One of the men laid down his knife and put his mouth to the inside of the dog's hind leg - I couldn't see what he was doing.

What upsets me is not so much that people capable of such cruelty exist in
China (they exist in every country) but that there are so few Chinese people coming forward to stand on the side of the animals."





































Now read this about a Zoo....

"The smiling children giggled as they patted the young goat on its head and tickled it behind the ears.
Some of the more boisterous ones tried to clamber onto the animal's back but were soon shaken off with a quick wiggle of its bottom.
It could have been a happy scene from a family zoo anywhere in the world but for what happened next."

For the rest follow this link....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=506153&in_page_id=1811

I actually thought the Tortoise story which started this thread was a wind-up!!!!

[shakesheadindisbelief]!!!!

Sigh......The Daily Mail......

The Daily Mail almost daily continues it's vilification of China. Much the same as it doesn't like Asians, black people, arabs and anyone not from extremist parts of Germany. Or Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians or anyone not dressed as St George and Aryan. Do you know why it does that?? Because it can say what it likes without the risk of 99.999999% of people ever going beyond Beijing, Xian or Hong Kong and seeing what a perfectly normal but slightly different world it is.

The Daily Mail didn't even cover the horrible story of dog fighting in the Asian communities in Birmingham which resulted in 11 convictions just at the end of last year.

Yes, they eat dog here, you can buy it on most markets. They also eat dog in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, Kazakhstan and Thailand. Yes Thailand where thousands of us all go for our holidays. Yes they kill them on the market. Have a drive around the UK and anywhere you see the sign 'Halal' they will be using the same methods. Their slaughter houses will look much the same as any slaughter house does. My old man worked at Buxted Chickens and they cut the chickens throats while they were suspended upside down and semi-concious.

No spectator chucks goats into lion pens at zoos. For a start they are fully caged in, or they are in the zoo I went to last week. Rather a good idea, wouldn't you say?? Them being big cats that can climb, jump really high, etc etc etc If they'd said crocs I'd be a bit more inclined to believe them. What they do do occasionally, in order to recreate the conditions in the wild, is throw a live goat in but NEVER when there's spectators present. They probably do the same at Whipsnade or London Zoo. I think this bloke has been reading 'Life Of Pi' when the young lads Dad, a zookeeper, makes him watch a tiger killing and noshing a live goat to make sure he's aware of how dangerous the animals can be. It smells a bit like plagiarism.

Up country it's a bit different, I live in a beautiful clean green city. It looks like any modern European place but peopled by Chinese. They're different in their culture and habits but certainly as a 20 year vegetarian I have nothing to say about their cuisine or culture that isn't positive. Either eat dog or don't, but before you complain, have a visit to any abattoir in the UK and come out and tell me it's fine. At least here it's subsistence farming and we don't throw 30% in the bin.

And if you believe what you read in the Daily Mail.............well........

Oh and I almost forgot, the money here is all paper money so hitting a tortoise on the head with it wouldn't really serve much purpose. You can get one yuan coins and one jiao coins (think 5p and 10p) but they're so light they'd almost float and you don't see them much. Added to which I never, ever, ever met a Chinese who would throw money away for fun. After all, they all earn 10p a week in sweat shops don't they??

Also in those photo's, there's a conspicuous lack of evidence that it's China anyway, no signage, no facial close up's etc etc etc.

Bit smelly......

I agree with that bit.

I'd happily pay a little more for meat in the shop if I knew that such procedures had been followed.

Fork Off you silly old fool.

How much would you pay for a veggy kebab then?? Or put another way, a salad sandwich??

great reasoned response as always Mr WHY but the pics were convincing and did look as if tourists were watching
not a family of keepers children [scanner knacked]
so i can have a pop at the mail over the tortoise heads or tails
not that any common or garden poolie would get a response to criticism of them

i would draw the line at dog
i only eat vegetarian chicken and the occaisional vegetarian porker

I concur.

Mutley, look at the intense factory farming of chickens in the UK, its just as bad as they way the foggies transport and keep their animals before they are hacked to pieces for human consumption

If it wasnt dogs, because dogs are cute, especially those nice Rotwiellers, and something less 'pleasing' on the eye and something that these people don't breed as pets, would you be so bothered?

apparnatly farmers sell chickens to supermarkets for 3p!

well thats what the wife said, so its more than likey wrong....but the rest we pay in supermarkets is there own mark up.
thats mad innit?
3p!!


did anyone see Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall's program last night?

looking forward to nexy weeks when the bastar d cries his eyes out killing chickens!!



anyways, I'm no hypocrite, I love eating meat, tried to be veggie once and couldn't hack it.
dont like dogs or cats, never have.
wouldn't molest one but wouldn't stroke one of the smelly twats either...

might have ate one like, apparantly Tony's in the 'Burn used to cook em...tasted like chicken...

Why does it make me 'sick' because I condone the eating of dogs in other countries?

You know what makes me 'sick' Mutters?

The fact the UK donates more money to the RSPCA and other 'animal' based charadies then to the likes of the NSCPCC, Help the Aged, the Lifeboat men etc etc

I don't condone cruelty towards any animal, but is an animals life worth more then a new born baby or perhaps someone who has been injured in the line of service??

Mutley i salute you for your rear guard action a bizz emmy is on its way to you
and while you wait i give you a golden dibbs for valour

I don't condone cruelty to animals either, which was why I didn't eat them for 20 years.

But don't runaway with the idea that the streets of China are awash with the blood of animals hacked agonisingly to bits for food and entertainment because it simply isn't true. Most of what they eat here is either rice or noodles. Meat, pork excepted because the Governement sponsors it, is a luxury still, and they won't kill their animals because they're productive. A tractor is a rare thing in the fields of China, most of which are paddy and can't be ploughed with a vehicle. They do it with an old fashioned plough and a water buffalo bullock

No they don't have our refinement in the way they slit a cows throat after they put 2000 volts across it's head but they'll get there.

I'm not 'condoning' it, but happens, what can I do to change the way an animal, may or may not be killed in China, India and the UK for example

Personally, I would rather people highlight, or at least put on the same parity, children being beaten to death in the UK, being blown up in the Middle East through no fault of their own, or starving to death in Africa

So get off your arse and Highlight it then Big man!!!!

If you do the same for pain and suffering of the animals in China & India, I will do the same...

anyways, I'm no hypocrite, I love eating meat, tried to be veggie once and couldn't hack it.
dont like dogs or cats, never have.
wouldn't molest one but wouldn't stroke one of the smelly twats either...

This just about sums up my views pretty succinctly.

Like Mr Avenger, I am much more concerned about the cruelty to children than I could ever be about animals. Which is why I have no intention of having a pet, I could never pretend to be interested in it's welfare, and I would also know I would be stuck with the job of cleaning up after it.

True, True!!

I sponsored an African kid once, rubbish it was, he did one lap of the track and then stopped and said his legs were hurting him!

Sometimes I think we forget that Britain (like Japan) is the one out of step with the rest of the world. The fact is, people treat food and animals differently - especially in China where famines in the past have wiped out whole chunks of the population, even recently under the idiot Mao's regime. The idea of going/not going hungry is a major part of the Chinese (and oriental) psyche.

Food is just a part of life so they'll eat anything. As for the cruelty - well you try working 16+ hours a day and then expending the physical, mental and emotional energy worrying if your four-legged food group has enough room in the cage.

They haven't got that time for that.

It's called poverty, wondering if your immediate family will have enough to eat today, this week and if they'll all make it to the end of the month.....so they'll cram 16 dogs into a cage that's only fit for 8. Who are we to say that is wrong?

Cultural attitutes take time to change but it's also the conditions that people live in that we are guilty of ignoring and making judgements from that position of ignorance.

Cant believe anyone hasnt mentioned hanging monkeys!
Anyway for what its worth i believe we are not the best at transporting animals for slaughter, do you really think we give the sheep, cow, duck whatever a nice cup of tea and a buiscut before we kill it, do we shite, one bloke dives ito the pen and starts stunning the buggers and another follows behind blasting a bolt through the neck, good chance of not getting the one thats been stunned, and while im on what about fish ? getting a fooking hook jammed in yer gob when you thought it was yer dinner must hurt.what about the smoking dogs beagles, (or is that bagles) anyway im off for a tab............................i love fish, meat and milk me

I spank my monkey most nights is that cruel or obscene.