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 Post subject: Ebsfleet
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:23 pm 
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Many moons ago I posted a thread about myfootballclub.co.uk, where you pay £35 membership, the money is pooled together and a football club is bought for the members to run.

Well a club is going through the process of being purchased by myfootballclub.co.uk - Ebsfleet in the Blue square prem.

Unfortunately 90% of the members on this board posted abuse and accused me of spam with my original post, so those 90% who werent interested then, dont bother clicking the link. For the rest who may be interested, heres a news post on the BBC website:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 089473.stm


And heres the MyFC website:- http://myfootballclub.co.uk/


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Thank God I don't support Ebbsfleet. (it has two "B"s by the way...)

I would be fuming. I don't put all of the emotional (and financial) investment into my club just so that some bunch of tossers can come in and play Champ Manager with my life. If I was a member of the playing or coaching staff at Ebbsfleet my resignation would have been filed immediately, and if I was an Ebbsfleet supporter I would be hunting down this Brooks character with a bat. :evil: :evil: :evil:

By the way Bosh, is 20% of the subscription fee still being raked off for "administrative purposes" :roll:


I agree, how can 20000 people possibly constructively vote on who plays and who is transferred? Unless they are all going to turn up week in week out to see them play?

The website owner wasn't the former owner of Ebbfleet was he by any chance?


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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£400'000 admin fees is a touch rich for my liking.

Anyone want to buy part ownership of the bunker for £35? You can have a share on all decisions for that. If I can knock out say 1000 shares thats a cool 35k in my sky rocket. The only thing that annoys m about this myfootballclub scheme is that I didn't think of it first. rage


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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I don't see the point of this post. sctatchinghead

Your post appears to suggest everyone missed out by not following your original post but to the majority it is a rip-off, with the supporters of one poor club having 20,000 "experts" thrust on them. sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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As far as i am aware you can still invest your 35quid if you want can't you. I'm seriously considering it....... rolfl


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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I think its a good idea to pitch together and buy a club in financial difficulties, But as for thousands of people voting for tacticts and team selection...Thats pathetic, I would be really pist off if it happened to pools


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Sounds like a crazy idea to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Im one of the members that perhaps foolishly forked out £35. However £35 is not a lot of money and so far it seems well worth it for what may be a 'crazy' idea, but also an interesting one.

The point of the post was to inform people who had not heard about it.

The £7.50 admin fee each member pays (currently 20,000 members so the figure is more like £150k not £400k) is described thoroughly on the MyFC forums.


Mr I, I get the feeling you are the type to have a good old whinge if it were even as little as £1 admin fee. But in all seriousness, MyFC is a massive project and so far has 4 full time workers. You cannot expect those 4 people to work for nothing ?

Please dont test ur Maths skills before reading the MyFC FAQ about the admin fee. Its not as simple as 4 people sharing £150k, that admin fee is spread over many areas, such as huge legal fees etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Jonny wrote:
As far as i am aware you can still invest your 35quid if you want can't you. I'm seriously considering it....... rolfl


Its not an investment.

Its spending £35 to be part of a unique and innovative venture in Football. One which has never happened before in English football. One which many hope will fail, who knows perhaps it will, but one which 20,000 people have so far paid their money to be a part of because theyre interested.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Sounds like the sporting wing of the Moonies to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:48 pm 
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Im one of the members that perhaps foolishly forked out £35. However £35 is not a lot of money and so far it seems well worth it for what may be a 'crazy' idea, but also an interesting one.

The point of the post was to inform people who had not heard about it.

The £7.50 admin fee each member pays (currently 20,000 members so the figure is more like £150k not £400k) is described thoroughly on the MyFC forums.


Mr I, I get the feeling you are the type to have a good old whinge if it were even as little as £1 admin fee. But in all seriousness, MyFC is a massive project and so far has 4 full time workers. You cannot expect those 4 people to work for nothing ?

Please dont test ur Maths skills before reading the MyFC FAQ about the admin fee. Its not as simple as 4 people sharing £150k, that admin fee is spread over many areas, such as huge legal fees etc.



Why on Gods Green Earth would I want to give £35.00 of my hard earned cash away to a website that 'may' give some of it to a club I have no connection whatsoever with banghead banghead banghead


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Boshpoolie wrote:

Mr I, I get the feeling you are the type to have a good old whinge if it were even as little as £1 admin fee. But in all seriousness, MyFC is a massive project and so far has 4 full time workers. You cannot expect those 4 people to work for nothing ?

Please dont test ur Maths skills before reading the MyFC FAQ about the admin fee. Its not as simple as 4 people sharing £150k, that admin fee is spread over many areas, such as huge legal fees etc.


Why not? If they are genuinely in this for the good of all. On their website they say it goes towards administering the scheme and building the website. We've discussed the former, the latter is ridiculous. The website is a cheap template driven site. cost to set up - about £200.

You're for it, most on here aren't. Personally I think its a hare brained scheme which will give one or two people a very decent salary and potentially a say in how a relatively irrelevant club is operated.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Cost to set up the website £200? sctatchinghead

I'll give you one cost thats larger than that alone. Screening matches live to every MyFC member will cost around £20,000 per week alone.

That is one of many functions the website has.

I may be mistaken but I believe there is going to be transparancy on how the admin fee's are spent. If this is true I dare you to hazard a guess at how much the staff of MyFC will get paid in the coming year, I bet you would'nt even be close, especially if your working on a £400,000 figure between 'one of two people a very decent salary'.


You obviously havent read or thought about this Mr I, for a man with 'supposedly' a high IQ, to comment on something of which you have very little knowledge is quite silly, dont you agree? :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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interesting idea.let's get a group of people together to take over a football club with a few "administrators" to organise things,for arguments sake lets call them "the board". We'll need a leader,in this case the guy who runs the website,let's call him "the chairman".And we'll get thousands of people on board to pay a regular subscription to demonstrate their interest,lets call them"the supporters". revolutionary.

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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Boshpoolie wrote:
Cost to set up the website £200? sctatchinghead

I'll give you one cost thats larger than that alone. Screening matches live to every MyFC member will cost around £20,000 per week alone.

That is one of many functions the website has.

I may be mistaken but I believe there is going to be transparancy on how the admin fee's are spent. If this is true I dare you to hazard a guess at how much the staff of MyFC will get paid in the coming year, I bet you would'nt even be close, especially if your working on a £400,000 figure between 'one of two people a very decent salary'.


You obviously havent read or thought about this Mr I, for a man with 'supposedly' a high IQ, to comment on something of which you have very little knowledge is quite silly, dont you agree? :grin:



Not really. This is all pie in the sky. as far as I can see there is no streaming available on the website. As it stands its a text based website so £200 is plenty of money. They haven't bought a thing as yet, they do not own a club. There is an agreement in princlple to buy this club and that is a long way from owning it. As far as I can see they've just put a load of money in the bank and paid themselves a salary. As for me commenting on something I know little about; well thats me and most of the 'members' because theres very little details on the website.

What I do know is that todays publicity will drive an awful lot more people to send them £35 with no guarentees. The FAQ's answer very little financially and their members list as per their website stands at 53'000. 53k x 7.5 = 397'000. This is close to Mad John's figure of 400 not the 150 that you mentioned. This is a limited company and your shares do not give you a share in that company, it gives you a vote on club issues.The limited company hold the funds and the board of that company can decide whatever they like with your money including directors salaries.

They may well be perfectly honest and well meaning people but its not something I feel able to chuck my hard earned at.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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I feel sorry for their fans and from what I've read on their message board their all suicidal and have idiots who think the are the Champ Manager Champion telling them how great they should be feeling.

http://www.fansfocus.com/forums/ubbthre ... PHPSESSID=


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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And I hope your the member DanPoolie on the Fleet boards because if there's another Pools fan supporting this idea then I'll be very dissappointed.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Mr I wrote:
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Cost to set up the website £200? sctatchinghead

I'll give you one cost thats larger than that alone. Screening matches live to every MyFC member will cost around £20,000 per week alone.

That is one of many functions the website has.

I may be mistaken but I believe there is going to be transparancy on how the admin fee's are spent. If this is true I dare you to hazard a guess at how much the staff of MyFC will get paid in the coming year, I bet you would'nt even be close, especially if your working on a £400,000 figure between 'one of two people a very decent salary'.


You obviously havent read or thought about this Mr I, for a man with 'supposedly' a high IQ, to comment on something of which you have very little knowledge is quite silly, dont you agree? :grin:



Not really. This is all pie in the sky. as far as I can see there is no streaming available on the website. As it stands its a text based website so £200 is plenty of money. They haven't bought a thing as yet, they do not own a club. There is an agreement in princlple to buy this club and that is a long way from owning it. As far as I can see they've just put a load of money in the bank and paid themselves a salary. As for me commenting on something I know little about; well thats me and most of the 'members' because theres very little details on the website.

What I do know is that todays publicity will drive an awful lot more people to send them £35 with no guarentees. The FAQ's answer very little financially and their members list as per their website stands at 53'000. 53k x 7.5 = 397'000. This is close to Mad John's figure of 400 not the 150 that you mentioned. This is a limited company and your shares do not give you a share in that company, it gives you a vote on club issues.The limited company hold the funds and the board of that company can decide whatever they like with your money including directors salaries.

They may well be perfectly honest and well meaning people but its not something I feel able to chuck my hard earned at.


I'm agreeing with Mr I on this one, The site is a simple PHP Driven database site, With a simple Text template stuck over the top, Costing £200 max! The hosting will be pricey granted, But otherwise I'd agree! The figures put together also make a little bit of sense!

I looked at the idea of MyFootballClub a while back and thought its a bit much to pay for something, Which not might be guarnteed to work and for fans to have a say in management of the club via their PC Chair is just plain daft!

The guy who runs the site must be laughing all the way to the bank, He's used the internet to fish for mugs and he's found em'!

I feel sorry for Ebslfeet there going to lose a lot of fans through this and the idea is going to dissapoint many! Including Ebslfeet's Staff & Players.

Still they've bought the club now and I'll have an interest as to how its run, But like DanielGaunt has said its like "Championship Manager"


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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stupoolie

Your obviously not reading anything I say, the only way you can see what is actually in the website is if you become a member, until you do that you can of course only see the text based front cover. I would describe exactly whats in the website, but that seems pointless?

Mr I

The front cover does say MyFC has 53k registered members, however the number of PAID members is more like 22-32k at the min (a massive amount of new members have paid over the past couple of days and its difficult to get an exact figure).

DanielGaunt

I am not DanPoolie, thats someone else. Indeed the fans typing crap on EUFC msgboards is inevitable, but they will be hugely dissappointed. Their suicidal vote(s) will count for little and should never effect a decision in a democracy as large as this.

dawlishmonkey

You have completely missed the point, which is unfortunate since I get the feeling you will never grasp this concept unless someone spends many hours talking to you in person.


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Only time will tell how this experiment will pan out.

Personally I would have thought that if you were passionate about a club you could try to buy shares in that club, most clubs not listed on the stock exchange have share allocations from time to time - I remember at least 2 such occaisions at Hartlepool.

I don't think that putting money into an indiscriminate club is the way forward, for me it lacks the passion of supporting your own club - whoever that may be.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:58 pm 
Bosh, you sound just the same as first time you came on here. Like a pressure salesman.

No-one here is very interested, that much must be plain.

Shouldn't you be down in Kent planning Saturdays match with your new club??


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Bosh, you sound just the same as first time you came on here. Like a pressure salesman.

No-one here is very interested, that much must be plain.

Shouldn't you be down in Kent planning Saturdays match with your new club??


That's a bit harsh.

He's a Poolie by all accounts who just fancied getting involved with this thingy that we think is silly.

I don't think he's trying to sell it to any of us, as I'm sure that he realised first time around that nobody is interested- more that he is logging on as a Poolie and passing comment on something that's footie related.

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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:06 am 
Then why does he go carefully through all the posts 'addressing the objections,' as I seem to remember it's called, while underlining that it's not too late to throw your 35 snodgers ((c)Mutley) in there??


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I only post to defend myself

Because people have made up their mind about MyFC without actually knowing the facts

Think this thread is getting a bit stale now though so ill leave it


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Good idea. You think its a good idea I think its a scam. Quite polarised viewpoints.


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Boshpoolie wrote:
stupoolie


dawlishmonkey

You have completely missed the point, which is unfortunate since I get the feeling you will never grasp this concept unless someone spends many hours talking to you in person.

I get the feeling that you're taking this personally.I think it's bollox.
when you sack the manager will you tell him don't worry it's a new concept.when you let a youngster leave because the keyboard warriors decide he's not good enough will that be a breath of fresh air?
anyway the membership voted for which club to take over and none of the top 10 got picked.not a good start for a democracy

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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:39 pm 
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I only post to defend myself

Because people have made up their mind about MyFC without actually knowing the facts

Think this thread is getting a bit stale now though so ill leave it


But you didn't have anything to defend before you came back to punt it again? :roll:

Why is it important that we know the facts?? stpid stpid

We largely don't care, we've got a club already. The clue is at the top. Why would we want a non-league club in Kent?? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


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stupoolie
You have completely missed the point, which is unfortunate since I get the feeling you will never grasp this concept unless someone spends many hours talking to you in person.

I get the feeling that you're taking this personally.I think it's bollox.
when you sack the manager will you tell him don't worry it's a new concept.when you let a youngster leave because the keyboard warriors decide he's not good enough will that be a breath of fresh air?
anyway the membership voted for which club to take over and none of the top 10 got picked.not a good start for a democracy


I havent missed the point, If you read my post properly :wink: you can see I'm referring to Mr I's previous post on the stats!

I'll be watching the idea closely but I feel for the management / staff and players of Ebsfleet, The poor fans aswell! Your gonna have a Man Ure / Chelski / Borer fan controlling their team! I think the only way that MyFootballClub would work is if all the fans supported the club they bought and worked together, Ala what Brentford have done!

Still enjoy playing Big Brother with peoples livelyhoods!!


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For the love of god please let this thread die!


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It was dying. you brought it back to the top.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebsfleet
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Whoops....sorry!!!! :uhoh: :uhoh:


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As far as i am aware you can still invest your 35quid if you want can't you. I'm seriously considering it....... rolfl


Its not an investment.

Its spending £35 to be part of a unique and innovative venture in Football. One which has never happened before in English football. One which many hope will fail, who knows perhaps it will, but one which 20,000 people have so far paid their money to be a part of because theyre interested.


The reason why i am considering it is because i am a bit of a nosey git and I am intrigued by the idea. I'm glad that Pools aren't owned in such a way though but this might be the best thing to of ever happened to that team...... You never know....


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my personal feelings are that they should have bought a club further down the pyramid, where if it goes wrong, they haven't got as far to fall and start up again. If they got that club higher, then it fell back again, then at least that club would have been somewhere good (i.e. higher level) that it otherwise wouldn't have been.
In this scenario, I think the club will end up somewhere bad it shouldn't!!!!!

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What you mean someone like Darlo? :wink: :uhoh: :laugh:


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For the love of god please let this thread die!



has God payed in too.....?!


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