They're not lovely people but they are real people. You pester real people and that's what you get. Coming from Hartlepool you should know that. Didn't John Prescott chin somebody, that was even better. Deputy prime minister in a Blair government. Proper labour man our John. I was in the visitors gallery once when JP was doing prime minister's questions in Blair's absence and John Bercow, before he was speaker, stood up and had an altercation with JP. Bercow is a small person but he was a foot smaller when JP had finished with him. Great character.

Sorry Mr Horden, missed out a vital word on that post.

You think so? More like they are absolute control freaks that are making sure Johnson avoids scrutiny at any cost. All the reporter was doing was trying to get Johnson to speak to ITV which he promised he would not 6 weeks earlier. The reporter got pelters because he interupted a carefully orchestrated scene of Johnson helping to load a milk float.

I watch all sorts of situations where journalists treat politicians with no respect at all, like Andrew Neil when interviewing Corbyn and I'm not comfortable with it and If somebody tried it on me or you, both of us would try to put a stop to it either by telling them where to go or maybe stronger. There is absolutely no call for it. Same applies to photographers who hound people.
Louise Minchen interviewed Corbyn the other morning and they were both polite to each other so it can be done.

I am saying exactly what is written. It is my personal view of the man's credentials to govern.
I am sharing that view. If you have a different view you are free to express it. You are also free to ignore it. I'm not asking for an opinion on my view and I'm not budging from that view.
I have nothing to add.

Kuenssberg is the least impartial impartial journalist to have walked this earth. She is a disgrace to her profession.

Look at her bio. She is one of those very privileged types that silver spoon is an understatement. How she can possibly consider herself impartial is beyond me

So basing your views on what's reported in the tory press. Good to know.

Oh Chip(Watching from Afar, Face paint army etc), are you getting paid by the Labour party for all this canvassing?

This is quite interesting;

88%!!!!!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology ... ssion=true

First of all I don't read the tory press so you can stop clutching at that straw.

Secondly you will notice madjohn has changed the focus on corbyn's incompetance to me. He is now attacking me personally even though from his high moral ground the other day, he was complaining about me attacking him personally. He wanted to keep to the point. Well I have just kept to the point and he can't handle it. He is now getting personal.
Some of you people need to know that we, where we live, know people who work for the NHS in Leeds and the story of the little boy is sheer momentum propaganda. He had actually been treated and had been earmarked for further treatment, was feeling sleepy so his mother made a bed for him on the floor. He didn't receive treatment on the floor. His mother asked for the pictures not to be published, as did the royal college of surgeons. Does anybody think that the angels who work in the NHS
would just let a child with pneumonia to be treated whilst lying on the floor. These left wing fanatics are evil and will stop at nothing to get power.
The next constituency to me is bassetlaw where John Mann was MP. He was hounded out by momentum and they have now dropped his successor because she too wouldn't toe the line.

People will vote as they wish but before you fall for all this moral high ground hype from momentum have a good look at these people who are conning you.

I didn't think madjohn's mask would slip but eventually these people can't help but reverting to type.

John you had me fooled as well. I used to have massive respect for you but you couldn't keep up the act and have now shown your true colours.

You vote for your anti seminist friends and pursue your left wing hard line tendencies but keep as far away from me as you can.

Don't out him Mr Butt, let him continue to make a fool of himself.
Another left wing activist hiding behind a mask.

There are some intelligent people on here who are being drip fed propaganda. Unfortunately they can't see it.

This is up there with your crass stupidy claiming you didnt know certain comments were racist. You have surpassed yourself. I take it the chief executive didnt give an apology and that Matt Hancock didnt rush there to apologise in person. I can only assume you think momentum sent Hancock there. You must have just posted the daftest post ever on the pooliebunker.

I suggest you stop, just for once, from talking absolute shite and go to the hospital and talk to the staff. Or are you calling the nursing staff liars. The people being accused here are ward staff and are being accused of being heartless. Can't you see that, blinded by your left wing marxist mist, you are actually attacking nursing staff.
For fucks sake man just engage what little brain you've got before you open that chasm you call a gob.
Do you honestly think a nurse would leave a child in the situation your momentum friends are painting.
You ought to be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

And this is why we’re now fucked. The truth is dead. The tactics used in this election are the sort I’d expect from an authoritarian regime. We’re left with a plutocracy.

Phil. Do you honestly think a nurse would treat a child in the manner being described.
Do you really believe that a nurse would treat a child whilst the child was on the floor. The only time that would happen would be if the child had collapsed and was being checked before moving that child.
I don't actually think that you would expect that from our nurses.

Our nurses are being used as political footballs by callous bastards pretending that they care.
They obviously don't care about the effect they are having on our nursing staff.

The story was fact checked by the paper that printed it. The hospital confirmed it happened. Since then a shit load of ‘people’ have claimed they know nurses who have denied the truth of the story. Either there are more nurses working in that hospital than in the rest of the NHS, or the few nurses there have a very wide circle of friends, or there’s been a concerted campaign to spread untruths. I know what I believe. What’s interesting is the response of the mainstream media; they’ve acknowledged that they were played.

So the paper investigated itself..........that is about as far away from neutrality as you can get
The hospital confirmed that the kid's mother made a bed for him. As did the mother. They didn't confirm that it was their idea which was reported by the media. There are no beds in any hospital waiting room, only chairs.
The question is, who was responsible for making a bed for him on the floor. The kid's mother did that, on her admission. She allegedly requested that the photos weren't made public as she didn't want her son to be a political football, as did the Royal college of surgeons.
That is what has been related to me.
I suggest that anybody who thinks that nurses would treat a child with such callousness needs to go and accuse a nurse of that and we'll watch what happens.
The media were played simply because they are desperate for headlines whilst having a passing interest in the truth.

Do you know what ‘fact checked’ means? They didn’t investigate themselves. They were told the story, and unlike some reporters who tweeted the BS that came after, they asked the hospital to confirm or deny the story. The hospital confirmed it happened, so they published it.

Yes I do know and I expected you to point that out. My daughter is an LLB.
I am not interested in legal jargon what interests me is the fact that we have to do everything possible to prevent callous politicians both tories and labour from using dedicated nursing staff to further their own dubious agendas.
I can't believe that any bunkerite or any decent person would back the idea that nursing staff should be in the firing line over this, which, in my view, is in danger of happening.
There are a lot of woes in the NHS, there are a lot of shortfalls in the NHS but I want the politicians to sort that out. I don't want there to be any shadows over our nurses.
The nurses think the blame is spilling over on them and, as you can guess, I am on their side. I'm staying that way. I am more interested in the morals than the legals, with your permission.

‘Fact checking’ is not a legal phrase. It’s a journalistic term. So I’ve no idea why you’ve referenced your daughter’s qualification.

Ha..... She keeps me right was what I was referring to but never mind. It doesn't matter.

Nobody was blaming nurses. They were and still are blaming the tory government for the shortage cash beds and nurses. You have yet again twisted the facts to suit your own warped agenda.

Ah I see. Woke you up a bit when you realised you were accusing nurses of being callous.
You'll never change I'm afraid.
Like I said go to the hospital and tell the nurses of my warped agenda and you might end up with a squeaky voice.
You'll change your tune if and when you're screaming for their help.
Only callous twats use nurses as political footballs.
I haven't twisted anything, all I have done is quote what the nurses have said whilst you prefer to back momentum et al against them.
You momentum marxists will stop at nothing to con the electorate. You've used nurses as political footballs, I dread to think who else you'll trample on to get your evil bunch into power.

Are you drunk?

Derwent I think the fat man had a great point vote for your mp not the leader. Who are you going to vote for out of interest? I live in a massive Tory area and I have to say the local transport etc are great, I wonder why? Then I look back home and to relatives homes in Manchester and it’s shocking. The Tory bubble is focused on the south and I have heard people locally saying we need to get out of the EU. But go ten miles from my village and you are in Cambridge the biggest metropolitan and diverse university city in the country. The research in science is already and going to be hit hard for a few years loosing EU funding. It baffles me like in Hartlepool how turkeys can vote for Christmas and cut the hand of money away from their local area. Let’s be honest Cambridge uni and the other research hubs will always get funding but I very much doubt the NE and Cornwall etc will. Let’s just prop up the food banks.

https://news.sky.com/story/general-elec ... s-11883740

It does highlight how dangerous ‘fake news’ in this era is though.

That report above highlights exactly how it was coordinated and spread. The Tories have used social media in the worst possible way during this election it surely needs looking into before the next time.

This thread also highlights that even if that fake news is completely discredited and the original story verified as absolutely true if your agenda is half baked enough and your willingness to think for yourself has been put to one side it makes no difference whatsoever. It’s fits for so you’ll peddle it.

Awful times really. It will impact on the people they need it to. I can see it quickly becoming a criminal offence especially at times like this.

Roll on tomorrow. Television is luvvvverly today the news is hedgehog hospitals and the return of doorstep milk deliveries. Aaaaah.

Lets not forget the Left wing activist scum who invaded a hospital PJ.

Tommy Robinson fan boy calling people scum

The thing is Snowy whatever the outcome of today I can’t seeing solving much or things becoming less toxic. The situation is too far gone and the divide too great. Here’s to Brexit.

Disrupting a hospital is funny to you PJ ??

No the irony of you using the word scum is funny when you are a fan of Tommy Robinson. It’s fairly simple I’m not sure it needed explanation.

To much hatred and bad language on this topic.

I also guessed the ‘story’ would be utter bollocks.

Was it the lovely mr derwent who questioned the intelligence of some on here??.You could of at least condemned their actions turning up at the hospital.

Did you order the Taxi's phil?

Best story i heard this week was you telling everybody you had a job..

You are an incredibly sad individual I have never really worked out what you add to a Pools forum.

Did you have a problem with matt hancock suddenly turning up after being sent there like a scolded child? Or did it bother you that more than half the press there are right wing media?

A sad individual is anyone who disagrees with you on here PJ....now get back to your job

By who? Show me who has used bad language on this thread.

What I’ve learnt about Brexit is most people don’t give a toss, by that I mean life ‘outside’ this test tube of tempers does not reflect life in here. This is a small group exchanging marshmallow broadsides with another small group. The ‘toxicity’ is in social media, with language which I’d challenge anyone to use to peoples faces is a sign of immaturity. I’d like the think all the time I ‘ve been on here I’ve never sunk to the level experienced lately.

Brexit was a surprise, but that soon faded. Life carries on. I’m just glad I don’t have a job in one of the about to be nationalised companies because we have one locally that would be ripe for rationalising even though successful or the telecom industry.

There you are in your request ‘watching from afar’. Not alone, just the first one to pop up.

We’ll just cancel the whole thing then, pretend it never happened.

Which would actually be fantastic, a result for everyone really.

But if you did that I reckon you’d quickly find out this toxicity extends way beyond social media and a few of us getting hot under the collar on here.

I really wish you were right Snowy, I’m not sure you are though.

like brexit, if we get the result many of us do not want today can the result be ignored for a few years.

Sadly, the way I see it, this country is suffering from terminal cancer, caused in my view by the toxicity and poison created by this ‘Brexit’ thing as well as that created by social media. The fake news and underhand reporting which has been popularised by others but mainly by the Tory party and its followers, during this election campaign has driven wedges between life long friends and families which will last for generations and may never be healed, the damage has been done. I fear for my children and grandchildren. Whether major surgery will cure this cancer, cut out and prosecute the perpetrators i.e. hold people to account for crossing the lines of honesty and decency, I don’t know, but something NEEDS TO BE DONE. If we allow this behaviour to continue, what does the future hold for anyone?

No, but we'll get the chance to scrutinise the Government and vote again in five years (or less). Democracy is more than about voting. If it were only about voting, it would be a very impoverished conception of democracy.

That is one of the most tedious things about all of this though.

Leaving the EU was always going to be a long and drawn out process, with many complexities and details that very few people probably even considered when they voted one of two ways.

Nothing has been ignored, democracy isn’t under threat. All of those claims are absolute over simplified nonsense.

May spunked away her majority in parliament by calling the 2017 election, now we have a bloke who voted against her withdrawal agreement twice telling us it was the worst deal in living history telling us that he’s going to get Brexit done even though it’s word for word in the case of over 95% of it the very same deal. Nobody has obstructed Brexit more than Tories themselves. They caused this mess it moves nowhere as a mess because of them. Get Brexit Done insults people’s intelligence. The Suns front page today is telling people to vote Johnson to ‘save Brexit’ you couldn’t make up this shit!

Thats one in a 15 page thread. I am sure there will be more but not that many and most will have been said by Derwent.

PJ, this has become a toxic shouting shop about something that most people don’t care if we leave or not. By the way I’ll be quite open in saying over the past two years I’ve come round to Tony Benn’s view n the subject.

Even one is too many.