Controversial dilemma.

[Grayhoundend]

Like I said somewhere else, if the takeover had occurred and this manager and these players were brought in there’d be little if any complaints about the signings.

Pretty rational to have more faith in a new regime than Ione which has had consistent failure. Its a fake scenario anyway. As soon as decisions like a new manager were being made, you knew Raj was not serious.

The takeover that never was.
It fooled a fair few including me self.

Hope does strange things at times but in theory don't change what will be.
It can take a while to accept sometimes and that's the part that frustrates ya like.

Lightly brush aside the time,money and effort people are putting in. Well done Kevin.

[Grayhoundend]

He owes the fans big style.
The club is more sellable in div 4.

We will see and have a better perspective of things in October.

Way to early for the few to re_hang out of him again.

He owes the fans nowt, We are customers who have the choice to shop at pools or not.

could say its the other way round where we owe him nowt now.

We owe him nowt, As much as he owes us nowt. Its our choice to support or not.

[accrington fan]

He owes the fans big style.
The club is more sellable in div 4.

We will see and have a better perspective of things in October.

Way to early for the few to re_hang out of him again.

He owes the fans nowt, We are customers who have the choice to shop at pools or not.

could say its the other way round where we owe him nowt now.

We owe him nowt, As much as he owes us nowt. Its our choice to support or not.

we are in an odd situation as the majority cannot keep away and stop supporting. really looking at our situation from a none football fan it would make more sense to wash your hands with pools and all this intrigue behind doing it. possibly its better just to be the type of fan who just ignores all this and just turn up and support those on the pitch and stay well away from the bunker and other forms of social media as they are not exactly helping matters.

[kevin pooles gloves]

Like I said somewhere else, if the takeover had occurred and this manager and these players were brought in there’d be little if any complaints about the signings.

Pretty rational to have more faith in a new regime than Ione which has had consistent failure. Its a fake scenario anyway. As soon as decisions like a new manager were being made, you knew Raj was not serious.

The takeover that never was.
It fooled a fair few including me self.

Hope does strange things at times but in theory don't change what will be.
It can take a while to accept sometimes and that's the part that frustrates ya like.

Lightly brush aside the time,money and effort people are putting in. Well done Kevin.

Spill the beans then.

[Grayhoundend]

Like I said somewhere else, if the takeover had occurred and this manager and these players were brought in there’d be little if any complaints about the signings.

Pretty rational to have more faith in a new regime than Ione which has had consistent failure. Its a fake scenario anyway. As soon as decisions like a new manager were being made, you knew Raj was not serious.

The takeover that never was.
It fooled a fair few including me self.

Hope does strange things at times but in theory don't change what will be.
It can take a while to accept sometimes and that's the part that frustrates ya like.

Lightly brush aside the time,money and effort people are putting in. Well done Kevin.

Spill the beans then.

NO!

[Grayhoundend]

I know nothing, Basil.

[Pooly_Imp]

He owes the fans big style.
The club is more sellable in div 4.

We will see and have a better perspective of things in October.

Way to early for the few to re_hang out of him again.

He owes the fans nowt, We are customers who have the choice to shop at pools or not.

could say its the other way round where we owe him nowt now.

We owe him nowt, As much as he owes us nowt. Its our choice to support or not.

we are in an odd situation as the majority cannot keep away and stop supporting. really looking at our situation from a none football fan it would make more sense to wash your hands with pools and all this intrigue behind doing it. possibly its better just to be the type of fan who just ignores all this and just turn up and support those on the pitch and stay well away from the bunker and other forms of social media as they are not exactly helping matters.

Yeah bury your heads in the sand and keep sustaining the rich man's play thing.

[bobby lemonade]

Who's burying their heads in the sand? Everyone is aware of the situation, and to be honest most people just want to go and watch pools, it's as simple as that. With the onset of the internet and everyone's point of view is there in print, people seem to think it carries a bit of weight. It doesn't. It's just a modern version of the pub gobshite.
Every chairman will get some sort of stick, doesn't mean I can't go to the game. When Vince Barker tried to sell us to Scarborough it didn't stop me going. As someone mentioned the other week there was times in the eighties that were worse than the current situation, the players were getting paid in loose change off the turnstiles. That's not living in the past it's perspective. It didn't stop me going then, and the Raj thing won't stop me going now. I'm not sustaining a rich man's play thing, he couldn't give a fuck if I went or not.
People lose interest now and again, I had a period mid to late nineties where I totally lost interest but I didn't obsess on it, I found other things I wanted to do went to see bands, parties, drugs,I didn't give pools a second thought. I don't get why people fall out of love with pools but attack it. If you can't be arsed with it, take up knitting or something.
I'm not a Raj apologist , but I really can't be doing the doom and gloom thing.

[PTID]

Well said.
My reason for not buying a ST was due to the possibility that Raj would pull the plug and we wouldn't be starting the season in NL. That possibility looks to have gone so I'll renew my ST before the start of the season.

[Snowy]

People lose interest now and again, I had a period mid to late nineties where I totally lost interest but I didn't obsess on it, I found other things I wanted to do went to see bands, parties, drugs,I didn't give pools a second thought. I don't get why people fall out of love with pools but attack it. If you can't be arsed with it, take up knitting or something.
I'm not a Raj apologist , but I really can't be doing the doom and gloom thing.

I never lost interest..there was no break for me, it was a constant life long relationship…a sort of marriage for better or for worse as the wife will testify..even my three kids ended up going without me having to drag them there, I left it to them to fall in love with the game at this level.
I still care so strongly and the frustration of not being able to attend for the sake of an handrail in the stands still makes me fume…it .aint the walking it’s the stairs
But how many regulars over the years have been lost due to access…?
I did ask the club because I knew two lads in a similar position but not even a response, but that’s not the club’s fault, it’s ehe owners at the time ‘s response.

Calling people pessimists because they have genuine concerns based on past experience isn’t negative …..it shows they care and see it as a right to express their concerns because watching the same pattern repeating itself tends to cause frustration ……hoping v actual experience of events is no answer either.
Hence the ‘caution’ label on seasons now,

[Pooly_Imp]

Who's burying their heads in the sand? Everyone is aware of the situation, and to be honest most people just want to go and watch pools, it's as simple as that. With the onset of the internet and everyone's point of view is there in print, people seem to think it carries a bit of weight. It doesn't. It's just a modern version of the pub gobshite.
Every chairman will get some sort of stick, doesn't mean I can't go to the game. When Vince Barker tried to sell us to Scarborough it didn't stop me going. As someone mentioned the other week there was times in the eighties that were worse than the current situation, the players were getting paid in loose change off the turnstiles. That's not living in the past it's perspective. It didn't stop me going then, and the Raj thing won't stop me going now. I'm not sustaining a rich man's play thing, he couldn't give a fuck if I went or not.
People lose interest now and again, I had a period mid to late nineties where I totally lost interest but I didn't obsess on it, I found other things I wanted to do went to see bands, parties, drugs,I didn't give pools a second thought. I don't get why people fall out of love with pools but attack it. If you can't be arsed with it, take up knitting or something.
I'm not a Raj apologist , but I really can't be doing the doom and gloom thing.

You've just claimed that nobody is burying their heads in the sand then described people burying their heads in the sand. Wearing blinkers, putting it to the back of your mind so that you can just watch the men kicking the ball, call it what you will. Its ignoring the elephant in the room, fingers in ears, la la laaa, all the same thing.

Meanwhile other clubs, little different to ours, enjoy being competitive, cup runs play off campaigns, hell even perhaps winning something. If you tell me that none of that matters and that the current dross is enough and that no thought has to be spared for the bigger picture than just the men and their leather inflated bag then perhaps the town does have a problem with apathy and deserves nowt. Does it? I like to think not because I'm very much a product of the town, I would not care about is football club otherwise.

[kevin pooles gloves]

Some go.
Some don't.

Only wordage.

[Pooly_Imp]

Some go.
Some don't.

Only wordage.

Nope, hard cash.

[PTID]

Recognising and acknowledging that there's issues at the club is hardly burying your head in the sand.
Realising and accepting that there's absolutely nothing we can do about that stuff doesn't mean we're happy about the situation. I can't think of any club that's been in a similar situation that's been positively affected by boycotts or protests. Blackpool fans didn't drive Oyston out, a £31m court order against him did.
Attending matches and supporting the manager and team isn't an endorsement of the owner it's just satisfying our passion.

[Pooly_Imp]

Recognising and acknowledging that there's issues at the club is hardly burying your head in the sand.
Realising and accepting that there's absolutely nothing we can do about that stuff doesn't mean we're happy about the situation. I can't think of any club that's been in a similar situation that's been positively affected by boycotts or protests. Blackpool fans didn't drive Oyston out, a £31m court order against him did.
Attending matches and supporting the manager and team isn't an endorsement of the owner it's just satisfying our passion.

Where do you think head burying comes from? Its in response to something you want to ignore. That's the problem isn't it. Hartlepool Disunited. At least at other clubs they try. A fanbase has huge power but if it's full of 'Jack' types then it's screwed. Perhaps it is.If so they're welcome to the shite they get served.

[Snowy]

Well said.
My reason for not buying a ST was due to the possibility that Raj would pull the plug and we wouldn't be starting the season in NL. That possibility looks to have gone so I'll renew my ST before the start of the season.

I get the feeling that some season tickets were bought on a fear of various outcomes if they didn’t..,but that is no basis for a purchase of a season ticket..you should be buying one on the basis of a good season to look forward….and nothing else…hope over necessity.

[accrington fan]

can never understand this season ticket thing. if you go to every game you,ll save a few bob, have first dibs on away tickets but thats about it. you,ll be able to see every game without one and just cannot see the point of buying something you have no idea what you,ll be watching when you first hand your money over.

[PTID]

You also miss the lottery of the buying a match ticket, the online system is hit and miss and the buying on the day is a joke when they actually deal with about 10 to 12 punters per hour at times, and only after you hand over all of your personal details.

[Snowy]

When pay at the gate was brought in it took a lump out of possible earnings from casual supporters, those who boost the finances during cup runs, etc, the last minute supporters and those who work odd patterns.
It’s made easier for season ticket holders, even buying a ticket for everyone else is a deterrent, inconvenient and a right fart about if you have the time.
Funny how ‘improvements’ make things worse.

[Pooly_Imp]

When pay at the gate was brought in it took a lump out of possible earnings from casual supporters, those who boost the finances during cup runs, etc, the last minute supporters and those who work odd patterns.
It’s made easier for season ticket holders, even buying a ticket for everyone else is a deterrent, inconvenient and a right fart about if you have the time.
Funny how ‘improvements’ make things worse.

Never had an issue buying a ticket. It was dead easy. The football was horrific though.

[Snowy]

can never understand this season ticket thing. if you go to every game you,ll save a few bob, have first dibs on away tickets but thats about it. you,ll be able to see every game without one and just cannot see the point of buying something you have no idea what you,ll be watching when you first hand your money over.

I was paying for four at one time so no chance of me pulling out for rheum during the summer, hols so I spread it over the season….let’s be honest, get the flu and any financial advantage is gone.
If anyone wants to buy one fair enough, but it all depends on individual circumstances…..funny though, but those at the bottom of the pile income wise who go occasionally, pay the biggest price per match.

[Snowy]

When pay at the gate was brought in it took a lump out of possible earnings from casual supporters, those who boost the finances during cup runs, etc, the last minute supporters and those who work odd patterns.
It’s made easier for season ticket holders, even buying a ticket for everyone else is a deterrent, inconvenient and a right fart about if you have the time.
Funny how ‘improvements’ make things worse.

Never had an issue buying a ticket. It was dead easy. The football was horrific though.

The key words being…’for you’..

[kevin pooles gloves]

You also miss the lottery of the buying a match ticket, the online system is hit and miss and the buying on the day is a joke when they actually deal with about 10 to 12 punters per hour at times, and only after you hand over all of your personal details.

It hasn't changed then in the last 2.5 years.
Queing up for age's then the database integration.
For div5 struggling!

[accrington fan]

You also miss the lottery of the buying a match ticket, the online system is hit and miss and the buying on the day is a joke when they actually deal with about 10 to 12 punters per hour at times, and only after you hand over all of your personal details.

It hasn't changed then in the last 2.5 years.
Queing up for age's then the database integration.
For div5 struggling!

its not too bad for regulars as they know the score. its just the person who rolls up for there first game i feel sorry for having to tick the clubs boxes. what next, the vic going cashless down to the half time draw tickets. you do not have to go back many years to tell fans this is the future. you,d be laughed out of where you were for something that sounded as stupid as all this.

[PTID]

The online system often throws a wobbler halfway through the ordering process then you end up worrying how many tickets you've bought by the time you actually get all the way through the process.
Can't understand why they have to print tickets on demand either at the office or kiosks, the printer went tits up for 20mins one time when I was queuing for a cup ticket.

[Snowy]

Why do organisations demand so much information for such irrelevant transactions…now let me guess

[accrington fan]

Why do organisations demand so much information for such irrelevant transactions…now let me guess

plus how many sodding data banks are we all on.

[PTID]

It's ridiculous, I've seen people who are there for 1 match and won't be coming back and they've got to be registered on the system before they'll print them a ticket. Why?

[Pooly_Imp]

It's ridiculous, I've seen people who are there for 1 match and won't be coming back and they've got to be registered on the system before they'll print them a ticket. Why?

Are you sure it's not just old fogies being technophobes? I mean it might not be, shit IT effects old and young.

[accrington fan]

It's ridiculous, I've seen people who are there for 1 match and won't be coming back and they've got to be registered on the system before they'll print them a ticket. Why?

thing is its been going on for years at the top of the game but dropping down now right to our level. its something you can imagine a 25 year old university graduate bringing in who has no idea about football fans and the wide ages of them. if it works at old trafford then it needs to work at the vic in there eyes.

[Grayhoundend]

Who's burying their heads in the sand? Everyone is aware of the situation, and to be honest most people just want to go and watch pools, it's as simple as that. With the onset of the internet and everyone's point of view is there in print, people seem to think it carries a bit of weight. It doesn't. It's just a modern version of the pub gobshite.
Every chairman will get some sort of stick, doesn't mean I can't go to the game. When Vince Barker tried to sell us to Scarborough it didn't stop me going. As someone mentioned the other week there was times in the eighties that were worse than the current situation, the players were getting paid in loose change off the turnstiles. That's not living in the past it's perspective. It didn't stop me going then, and the Raj thing won't stop me going now. I'm not sustaining a rich man's play thing, he couldn't give a fuck if I went or not.
People lose interest now and again, I had a period mid to late nineties where I totally lost interest but I didn't obsess on it, I found other things I wanted to do went to see bands, parties, drugs,I didn't give pools a second thought. I don't get why people fall out of love with pools but attack it. If you can't be arsed with it, take up knitting or something.
I'm not a Raj apologist , but I really can't be doing the doom and gloom thing.

Spot On!
Can,t understand why some fans whinge incessantly, As you say just stop going instead of whining like a bitch.

Remember Joe Allon a while ago saying he got paid when the turnstiles cashed up.
Lets face it, Does not matter if the club is taken over or not they would still whinge

[Grayhoundend]

People lose interest now and again, I had a period mid to late nineties where I totally lost interest but I didn't obsess on it, I found other things I wanted to do went to see bands, parties, drugs,I didn't give pools a second thought. I don't get why people fall out of love with pools but attack it. If you can't be arsed with it, take up knitting or something.
I'm not a Raj apologist , but I really can't be doing the doom and gloom thing.

I never lost interest..there was no break for me, it was a constant life long relationship…a sort of marriage for better or for worse as the wife will testify..even my three kids ended up going without me having to drag them there, I left it to them to fall in love with the game at this level.
I still care so strongly and the frustration of not being able to attend for the sake of an handrail in the stands still makes me fume…it .aint the walking it’s the stairs
But how many regulars over the years have been lost due to access…?
I did ask the club because I knew two lads in a similar position but not even a response, but that’s not the club’s fault, it’s ehe owners at the time ‘s response.

Calling people pessimists because they have genuine concerns based on past experience isn’t negative …..it shows they care and see it as a right to express their concerns because watching the same pattern repeating itself tends to cause frustration ……hoping v actual experience of events is no answer either.
Hence the ‘caution’ label on seasons now,

"Calling people pessimists because they have genuine concerns based on past experience isn’t negative"

Yet they ridicule optimistic fans as happy clappers as though they are willing to put up with anything and everything.

[Grayhoundend]

If people are not happy with pools and there are plenty on here, Then pop along to Clarence Rd between 2-3 to give the owner some stick, If you care thats what yous will do.
And leave others to enjoy THEIR match day.

[Pooly_Imp]

Can't understand why some fans can't work out scrolling. Its dead easy, kids can do it. Let's you zoom past stuff you don't want to read. Pebbled solved.

Raj created the doom and gloom thing when he presided over us being shit every year. I'm a realist, we can get better either through more money or more competence. The expectation for daft amounts of money isn't reasonable (but would be nice). The expectation for more competence is perfectly reasonable.

[Grayhoundend]

When pay at the gate was brought in it took a lump out of possible earnings from casual supporters, those who boost the finances during cup runs, etc, the last minute supporters and those who work odd patterns.
It’s made easier for season ticket holders, even buying a ticket for everyone else is a deterrent, inconvenient and a right fart about if you have the time.
Funny how ‘improvements’ make things worse.

Never had an issue buying a ticket. It was dead easy. The football was horrific though.

Then watch pools then

[Pooly_Imp]

If people are not happy with pools and there are plenty on here, Then pop along to Clarence Rd between 2-3 to give the owner some stick, If you care thats what yous will do.
And leave others to enjoy THEIR match day.

You'd probably end up being in some Paul Frost video. Or maybe it would end up in another poll. Match days were pretty grim a lot of the time anyway, and I don't know why anyone on here could or would ruin anything for 'others'.

[Pooly_Imp]

People lose interest now and again, I had a period mid to late nineties where I totally lost interest but I didn't obsess on it, I found other things I wanted to do went to see bands, parties, drugs,I didn't give pools a second thought. I don't get why people fall out of love with pools but attack it. If you can't be arsed with it, take up knitting or something.
I'm not a Raj apologist , but I really can't be doing the doom and gloom thing.

I never lost interest..there was no break for me, it was a constant life long relationship…a sort of marriage for better or for worse as the wife will testify..even my three kids ended up going without me having to drag them there, I left it to them to fall in love with the game at this level.
I still care so strongly and the frustration of not being able to attend for the sake of an handrail in the stands still makes me fume…it .aint the walking it’s the stairs
But how many regulars over the years have been lost due to access…?
I did ask the club because I knew two lads in a similar position but not even a response, but that’s not the club’s fault, it’s ehe owners at the time ‘s response.

Calling people pessimists because they have genuine concerns based on past experience isn’t negative …..it shows they care and see it as a right to express their concerns because watching the same pattern repeating itself tends to cause frustration ……hoping v actual experience of events is no answer either.
Hence the ‘caution’ label on seasons now,

"Calling people pessimists because they have genuine concerns based on past experience isn’t negative"

Yet they ridicule optimistic fans as happy clappers as though they are willing to put up with anything and everything.

Well if you're going to moan about people not joining in with the glitter rolling, then be prepared.

[kevin pooles gloves]

Moan
Don't moan.

Only more wordage.

At least we all agree our Council are fcuken useless.

Probably get some Arselickers saying they Ellish.

Wordage
View s
Life goes on an on an on an on.

Darts is on TV.
It's good kids.

[kevin pooles gloves]

I think it was only 1000 STs.

That tells ya the majority have had enough of the piss Takeing.

Ye that could offend but hey ho that's life.

[PTID]

Would think there'll have been a few leaving it until last pay day before the start of the season and / or looking at who we're signing before buying. I've no doubt the sales will be down but not by a massive amount and there'll be a decent crowd for the 1st home game imo.

[Pooly_Imp]

Moan
Don't moan.

Only more wordage.

At least we all agree our Council are fcuken useless.

Probably get some Arselickers saying they Ellish.

Wordage
View s
Life goes on an on an on an on.

Darts is on TV.
It's good kids.

Stop trying to make peace. Trying to dislike people who are (at the end of the day) decent folk and fellow long suffering poolies is difficult enough with you going all kumm bah yah about things.

[kevin pooles gloves]

Moan
Don't moan.

Only more wordage.

At least we all agree our Council are fcuken useless.

Probably get some Arselickers saying they Ellish.

Wordage
View s
Life goes on an on an on an on.

Darts is on TV.
It's good kids.

Stop trying to make peace. Trying to dislike people who are (at the end of the day) decent folk and fellow long suffering poolies is difficult enough with you going all kumm bah yah about things.

Every one of them assumptions are 100% wrong.
In fact I ain't got a clue what ya on about and don't give a fuck.
A bit more wordage.

[Pooly_Imp]

Moan
Don't moan.

Only more wordage.

At least we all agree our Council are fcuken useless.

Probably get some Arselickers saying they Ellish.

Wordage
View s
Life goes on an on an on an on.

Darts is on TV.
It's good kids.

Stop trying to make peace. Trying to dislike people who are (at the end of the day) decent folk and fellow long suffering poolies is difficult enough with you going all kumm bah yah about things.

Every one of them assumptions are 100% wrong.
In fact I ain't got a clue what ya on about and don't give a fuck.
A bit more wordage.

It was just a joke, an olive branch, a peace offering.

[Snowy]

It's ridiculous, I've seen people who are there for 1 match and won't be coming back and they've got to be registered on the system before they'll print them a ticket. Why?

Are you sure it's not just old fogies being technophobes? I mean it might not be, shit IT effects old and young.

No.
It’s overcomplicating the process and wasting people’s time….if you want more fans through the door make it easier.

[PTID]

The system crashes often feck all to do with the user.

[accrington fan]

It's ridiculous, I've seen people who are there for 1 match and won't be coming back and they've got to be registered on the system before they'll print them a ticket. Why?

Are you sure it's not just old fogies being technophobes? I mean it might not be, shit IT effects old and young.

No.
It’s overcomplicating the process and wasting people’s time….if you want more fans through the door make it easier.

exactly, with every option and payment method for them to enter the ground and buy something from the food and driks outlets. we are not exactly putting sold out signs up.

[Snowy]

"Calling people pessimists because they have genuine concerns based on past experience isn’t negative"

Yet they ridicule optimistic fans as happy clappers as though they are willing to put up with anything and everything.

The most popular reason given for buying season ticket purchases given by the ‘optimistic fans’ appeared to be fear in case the club collapsed…not exactly an exercise in rampant optimism on their part.

[Grayhoundend]

Oh for clarity.