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 Post subject: Re: Vauxhall closingFord cuttin jobs and Nissan worried for
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:56 pm 
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We are often asked this by leave supporters, so here are a few facts, can some of the Brexiteers list the benefit ?
Over 40 years of peace
Erasmus and overseas study
A home market of over 500 million consumers Cheaper flights and compensation for delays
Help with tax avoidance
Maternity and paternity leave
Stronger voice in the world
Consumer protection
Investment in arts and culture
Cleaner air
Paid holiday leave
Maximum working hours
Cheaper mobile calls and international roaming
Visa-free travel across Europe
The right to work in the EU
Funding for UK regions
Opportunities for young people - our future leaders Funding for start-ups 44% of UK exports
Safer food standards
3 million jobs
Lower prices in shops
The world's strongest animal welfare rights
Rights for part-time workers
Single market with no export charges of red tape
Product safety standards
Standards in the workplace
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
Free healthcare across Europe Cleaner beaches and waterways
Co-operation on counter-terrorism intelligence
Rights in equal rights pay for men and women
Protection against discrimination based on gender, race, religion, age, disability and sexual orientation
Strongest wildlife protection in the world Investment and collaboration in science
European arrest warrant
Improved standards for farm animals
I'm sure this list is not exhaustive.


Are you actually suggesting that if we hadn't joined the common market none of the above would have been brought in by a UK Government??????
It is not all true anyway because I enjoyed paid holidays long before we joined.
We joined the common market, nothing more nothing less, and were assured that it would not progess into the United States of Europe or would interfere with individual national sovereignty etc etc etc. We were lied to, manipulated, charged vast sums of money, controlled and generally step by step had our sovereignty eroded. They even wanted us to ditch the pound. That was not what was envisaged, which was a common market. Why we left was the fact that sensible people could see or had actually witnessed this ideal of a community ruled from Brussels and said no more, enough is enough. Freedom of movement played a part in some people's decision to vote leave but it was by far not the main reason. Some of us witnessed it from the start. When we left it was nothing like what we had been sold. So we left. Those who were involved don't need the lies and propaganda spouted by people like you Jamie. WE WERE THERE.

We had most of Jamie’s list before we bleedin joined…even clean air started in the very early 60’s….what a plonker :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Vauxhall closingFord cuttin jobs and Nissan worried for
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There is a car park next to Nissan with a massive uncountable number of new cars in it.
Surely they would not miss one.
Its worth a visit to see and what i think is the new battery plant going up.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:55 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
We are often asked this by leave supporters, so here are a few facts, can some of the Brexiteers list the benefit ?
Over 40 years of peace
Erasmus and overseas study
A home market of over 500 million consumers Cheaper flights and compensation for delays
Help with tax avoidance
Maternity and paternity leave
Stronger voice in the world
Consumer protection
Investment in arts and culture
Cleaner air
Paid holiday leave
Maximum working hours
Cheaper mobile calls and international roaming
Visa-free travel across Europe
The right to work in the EU
Funding for UK regions
Opportunities for young people - our future leaders Funding for start-ups 44% of UK exports
Safer food standards
3 million jobs
Lower prices in shops
The world's strongest animal welfare rights
Rights for part-time workers
Single market with no export charges of red tape
Product safety standards
Standards in the workplace
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
Free healthcare across Europe Cleaner beaches and waterways
Co-operation on counter-terrorism intelligence
Rights in equal rights pay for men and women
Protection against discrimination based on gender, race, religion, age, disability and sexual orientation
Strongest wildlife protection in the world Investment and collaboration in science
European arrest warrant
Improved standards for farm animals
I'm sure this list is not exhaustive.


Are you actually suggesting that if we hadn't joined the common market none of the above would have been brought in by a UK Government??????
It is not all true anyway because I enjoyed paid holidays long before we joined.
We joined the common market, nothing more nothing less, and were assured that it would not progess into the United States of Europe or would interfere with individual national sovereignty etc etc etc. We were lied to, manipulated, charged vast sums of money, controlled and generally step by step had our sovereignty eroded. They even wanted us to ditch the pound. That was not what was envisaged, which was a common market. Why we left was the fact that sensible people could see or had actually witnessed this ideal of a community ruled from Brussels and said no more, enough is enough. Freedom of movement played a part in some people's decision to vote leave but it was by far not the main reason. Some of us witnessed it from the start. When we left it was nothing like what we had been sold. So we left. Those who were involved don't need the lies and propaganda spouted by people like you Jamie. WE WERE THERE.

We had most of Jamie’s list before we bleedin joined…even clean air started in the very early 60’s….what a plonker :roll:


Most of the rights of employees wouldn’t have been granted if we hadn’t been in the EU Snowy.
Snowy answer me one question what have the benefits of Brexit been and don’t say we are £350 million better off. Rees Mogg couldn’t understand why you should be paid when you were on holiday, the Conservatives were in the process of removing workers rights, tbh you have no idea, you need to stop reading The Telegraph, Express, TheMail or what ever right wing rag you read and stop watching GB News and listening to Farage.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
We are often asked this by leave supporters, so here are a few facts, can some of the Brexiteers list the benefit ?
Over 40 years of peace
Erasmus and overseas study
A home market of over 500 million consumers Cheaper flights and compensation for delays
Help with tax avoidance
Maternity and paternity leave
Stronger voice in the world
Consumer protection
Investment in arts and culture
Cleaner air
Paid holiday leave
Maximum working hours
Cheaper mobile calls and international roaming
Visa-free travel across Europe
The right to work in the EU
Funding for UK regions
Opportunities for young people - our future leaders Funding for start-ups 44% of UK exports
Safer food standards
3 million jobs
Lower prices in shops
The world's strongest animal welfare rights
Rights for part-time workers
Single market with no export charges of red tape
Product safety standards
Standards in the workplace
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
Free healthcare across Europe Cleaner beaches and waterways
Co-operation on counter-terrorism intelligence
Rights in equal rights pay for men and women
Protection against discrimination based on gender, race, religion, age, disability and sexual orientation
Strongest wildlife protection in the world Investment and collaboration in science
European arrest warrant
Improved standards for farm animals
I'm sure this list is not exhaustive.


Are you actually suggesting that if we hadn't joined the common market none of the above would have been brought in by a UK Government??????
It is not all true anyway because I enjoyed paid holidays long before we joined.
We joined the common market, nothing more nothing less, and were assured that it would not progess into the United States of Europe or would interfere with individual national sovereignty etc etc etc. We were lied to, manipulated, charged vast sums of money, controlled and generally step by step had our sovereignty eroded. They even wanted us to ditch the pound. That was not what was envisaged, which was a common market. Why we left was the fact that sensible people could see or had actually witnessed this ideal of a community ruled from Brussels and said no more, enough is enough. Freedom of movement played a part in some people's decision to vote leave but it was by far not the main reason. Some of us witnessed it from the start. When we left it was nothing like what we had been sold. So we left. Those who were involved don't need the lies and propaganda spouted by people like you Jamie. WE WERE THERE.

We had most of Jamie’s list before we bleedin joined…even clean air started in the very early 60’s….what a plonker :roll:


Most of the rights of employees wouldn’t have been granted if we hadn’t been in the EU Snowy.
Snowy answer me one question what have the benefits of Brexit been and don’t say we are £350 million better off. Rees Mogg couldn’t understand why you should be paid when you were on holiday, the Conservatives were in the process of removing workers rights, tbh you have no idea, you need to stop reading The Telegraph, Express, TheMail or what ever right wing rag you read and stop watching GB News and listening to Farage.


While you keep reading the Guardian / Mirror / Morning Star etc?
You have no evidence whatsoever to prove that more workers rights wouldnt have come in. And you believe the bullshit that the tories wanted to remove them.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:08 pm 
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Jamie1952 wrote:

Most of the rights of employees wouldn’t have been granted if we hadn’t been in the EU Snowy.
Snowy answer me one question what have the benefits of Brexit been and don’t say we are £350 million better off. Rees Mogg couldn’t understand why you should be paid when you were on holiday, the Conservatives were in the process of removing workers rights, tbh you have no idea, you need to stop reading The Telegraph, Express, TheMail or what ever right wing rag you read and stop watching GB News and listening to Farage.


Thank you Commissar Jameski comrade for enlightening an humble ignoramus like me who fell off the path of EU righteousness.
So kind of you to point out the error of my ways and admonish me for failing to see the light of eternal wisdom you bring to this board from your Brussels’s pent house to uneducated, brainwashed enemies of the all powerful EU like me and would like to take this opportunity to tell you you can fuck right off …you snob. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Vauxhall closingFord cuttin jobs and Nissan worried for
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:33 pm 
Can anyone name even 1 benefit of leaving the EU??


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MutleyRules wrote:
Can anyone name even 1 benefit of leaving the EU??

Why, you’d only dismiss it…… no point…..then giving the kiss of life to Jamie and his fantasy wish list which is another load of cobblers he nailed together.
Anyway Keir said we’re staying out, the glorious leader has spoken.
So be it.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:41 pm 
Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on....just 1. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


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Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on....just 1. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You’re are tipping on the edge of getting…..lines. :angry-tappingfoot:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:45 pm 
Father Ted. :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
I know you knew. :-D
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Pure class… :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:

Most of the rights of employees wouldn’t have been granted if we hadn’t been in the EU Snowy.
Snowy answer me one question what have the benefits of Brexit been and don’t say we are £350 million better off. Rees Mogg couldn’t understand why you should be paid when you were on holiday, the Conservatives were in the process of removing workers rights, tbh you have no idea, you need to stop reading The Telegraph, Express, TheMail or what ever right wing rag you read and stop watching GB News and listening to Farage.


Thank you Commissar Jameski comrade for enlightening an humble ignoramus like me who fell off the path of EU righteousness.
So kind of you to point out the error of my ways and admonish me for failing to see the light of eternal wisdom you bring to this board from your Brussels’s pent house to uneducated, brainwashed enemies of the all powerful EU like me and would like to take this opportunity to tell you you can fuck right off …you snob. :laugh:


Thanks for the compliments Snowy, made my day, never been called a snob nor a commie before, what’s that saying sticks and stones etc.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:

Most of the rights of employees wouldn’t have been granted if we hadn’t been in the EU Snowy.
Snowy answer me one question what have the benefits of Brexit been and don’t say we are £350 million better off. Rees Mogg couldn’t understand why you should be paid when you were on holiday, the Conservatives were in the process of removing workers rights, tbh you have no idea, you need to stop reading The Telegraph, Express, TheMail or what ever right wing rag you read and stop watching GB News and listening to Farage.


Thank you Commissar Jameski comrade for enlightening an humble ignoramus like me who fell off the path of EU righteousness.
So kind of you to point out the error of my ways and admonish me for failing to see the light of eternal wisdom you bring to this board from your Brussels’s pent house to uneducated, brainwashed enemies of the all powerful EU like me and would like to take this opportunity to tell you you can fuck right off …you snob. :laugh:


Thanks for the compliments Snowy, made my day, never been called a snob nor a commie before, what’s that saying sticks and stones etc.

Hang around then, I’ve got plenty more in the magazine. :laugh:

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Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on....just 1. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

just what was the point in voting to leave anyway when the vast amount in parliament were against it and we would never see a benefit in leaving die to that. plus it has made referendums on any other issue now more or less dead in the water as we;ll never get another chance or even use our vote against the political establoshment.


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accrington fan wrote:
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Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on....just 1. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

just what was the point in voting to leave anyway when the vast amount in parliament were against it and we would never see a benefit in leaving die to that. plus it has made referendums on any other issue now more or less dead in the water as we;ll never get another chance or even use our vote against the political establoshment.


Cost Cameron his job well he resigned but he didn’t hang around to sort it out because he was a remainer. Negotiations were all done by half hearted politicians who were also remainers.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
MutleyRules wrote:
Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on Go on....just 1. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

just what was the point in voting to leave anyway when the vast amount in parliament were against it and we would never see a benefit in leaving die to that. plus it has made referendums on any other issue now more or less dead in the water as we;ll never get another chance or even use our vote against the political establoshment.


Cost Cameron his job well he resigned but he didn’t hang around to sort it out because he was a remainer. Negotiations were all done by half hearted politicians who were also remainers.

was like a life long celtic fan taking over at rangers.


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