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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:17 am 
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Ah, EU Regulation 1333/2011 which states that banana’s must be ….’free from malformation or abnormal curvature’…….but can anyone actually define abnormal curvature or malformation ….. sctatchinghead
Is there a wall chart or device to measure the acceptable curvature…..and surely malformed bananas would be rejected anyway?

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Only 60% of the electorate voted in the last G.E. it just goes to show how much apathy there is towards politics, it would be interesting to know how many who are signing the petition voted in the last election. The comments on this vlog take some believing, people have short memories. Anyone can set up false email addresses and sign the petition, there is no way anyone knows if it’s real people signing the petition is this day AI.
https://youtu.be/dTPCE3IQsIk?si=q_RKTu5yKDpaoahp

feel more would vote if we had PR and reform would have had more seats and a proper old school left wing party being formed to give those who think that way a party to represent their views.


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Nobody gives an inch on the footballing debates either. All of us form our opinions and rarely change them as a result of other opinions on here be it football, politics, or the shape of bananas.
All good natured in the main.


Well I was convinced Sarll was the man to get us promoted but then I changed my opinion and apologised on the bunker. We are never always correct and a bit of movement should always be possible in any debate otherwise what's the point. :roll:


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And the " Pledge " is now over a million votes and growing fast. People are rightly very unhappy with this lot. :roll:


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Leggie43 wrote:
And the " Pledge " is now over a million votes and growing fast. People are rightly very unhappy with this lot. :roll:


2.6 million now mr leggie.. I'm sure our man Farage is keeping The Don and Elon up to date with all the figures. :wink:


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And the " Pledge " is now over a million votes and growing fast. People are rightly very unhappy with this lot. :roll:


2.6 million now mr leggie.. I'm sure our man Farage is keeping The Don and Elon up to date with all the figures. :wink:


Wow Sussex that's really started to move up. They want 10 million which I believe will be achieved within a month. People are finally starting to wake up and it's gaining momentum. This war on the people must be stopped and quickly. :wink:


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With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.


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Where are the jobs going to come from if businesses are going to be laying people off. Has Dianne Abbott been giving basic maths and economics lessons to Starmer & Reeves?


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And the " Pledge " is now over a million votes and growing fast. People are rightly very unhappy with this lot. :roll:

You do realise that this petition started 4 weeks ago and only gained momentum when someone over the water jumped on it a few days ago....his name ryhmes with Dusk.


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And the " Pledge " is now over a million votes and growing fast. People are rightly very unhappy with this lot. :roll:

You do realise that this petition started 4 weeks ago and only gained momentum when someone over the water jumped on it a few days ago....his name ryhmes with Dusk.

So in effect it started 48 hours ago…

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With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.

What exactly do you mean by that….sounds a bit condescending and patronising to me….pity though ….with the rise in employers National Insurance rates, employees will be getting their hours trimmed down …new jobs won’t exactly be in abundance.

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Where are the jobs going to come from if businesses are going to be laying people off. Has Dianne Abbott been giving basic maths and economics lessons to Starmer & Reeves?

plus there are the illegals to think of as well. nothing adds up unless you borrow dianes abbecus.


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With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.

What exactly do you mean by that….sounds a bit condescending and patronising to me….pity though ….with the rise in employers National Insurance rates, employees will be getting their hours trimmed down …new jobs won’t exactly be in abundance.


My niece works in management for a well known supermarket,the majority of the staff are part time who top up with benefits, she has great difficulty trying to get any of the staff to work extra hours as their benefits would be cut. As yet whilst employers are threatening redundancies none have confirmed they will be making anyone redundant. If they do make people redundant it would indicate they might have been over staffed to start with if they can maintain the same level of productivity.


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And the " Pledge " is now over a million votes and growing fast. People are rightly very unhappy with this lot. :roll:

You do realise that this petition started 4 weeks ago and only gained momentum when someone over the water jumped on it a few days ago....his name ryhmes with Dusk.


Yes but petitions are a bit like pushing a bike uphill its only when you start going back down the momentum kicks in. :laugh:


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Jamie1952 wrote:
With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.


Blind trust is a wonderful phenomenon. So you, who decries any accusation of being a labour supporter as nonsense, really believes that there is mileage in this latest wheeze.
Jamie you are as left wing as your new mate Mikey.........both die hard lefties to the core. Why the pair of you can't just admit it beats me.
I can only think that you're really ashamed of this bunch of amateurs.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Jamie1952 wrote:
With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.

What exactly do you mean by that….sounds a bit condescending and patronising to me….pity though ….with the rise in employers National Insurance rates, employees will be getting their hours trimmed down …new jobs won’t exactly be in abundance.


My niece works in management for a well known supermarket,the majority of the staff are part time who top up with benefits, she has great difficulty trying to get any of the staff to work extra hours as their benefits would be cut. As yet whilst employers are threatening redundancies none have confirmed they will be making anyone redundant. If they do make people redundant it would indicate they might have been over staffed to start with if they can maintain the same level of productivity.

yet again you cannot beat the system only use it.


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Or they'll put prices up, or cut opening hours, or shut stores, or both, everyone loses.


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Snowy wrote:
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With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.

What exactly do you mean by that….sounds a bit condescending and patronising to me….pity though ….with the rise in employers National Insurance rates, employees will be getting their hours trimmed down …new jobs won’t exactly be in abundance.


If your on a full-time contract and you get your hours reduced. Your pay can't be cut.


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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.

What exactly do you mean by that….sounds a bit condescending and patronising to me….pity though ….with the rise in employers National Insurance rates, employees will be getting their hours trimmed down …new jobs won’t exactly be in abundance.


If your on a full-time contract and you get your hours reduced. Your pay can't be cut.

It’s the part timers who’ll cop it, I know one place for certain that’s started already.
They usually make their wages up with overtime and overtime is a privilege.

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Snowy wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.

What exactly do you mean by that….sounds a bit condescending and patronising to me….pity though ….with the rise in employers National Insurance rates, employees will be getting their hours trimmed down …new jobs won’t exactly be in abundance.


If your on a full-time contract and you get your hours reduced. Your pay can't be cut.

It’s the part timers who’ll cop it, I know one place for certain that’s started already.
They usually make their wages up with overtime and overtime is a privilege.


So their hours get cut therefore they can claim more benefits to top their money up.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
With Labours pledge to get more young people into work and others off benefits no doubt the 2 million plus who have signed the petition are some of them.

What exactly do you mean by that….sounds a bit condescending and patronising to me….pity though ….with the rise in employers National Insurance rates, employees will be getting their hours trimmed down …new jobs won’t exactly be in abundance.


If your on a full-time contract and you get your hours reduced. Your pay can't be cut.

It’s the part timers who’ll cop it, I know one place for certain that’s started already.
They usually make their wages up with overtime and overtime is a privilege.


So their hours get cut therefore they can claim more benefits to top their money up.

Doesn’t work like that….your concern for their problem is touching…sorry, callous. :roll:

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Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


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So their hours get cut therefore they can claim more benefits to top their money up.[/quote]
Doesn’t work like that….your concern for their problem is touching…sorry, callous. :roll:[/quote]

What’s callous, the current part time workers receiving benefits won’t have a conscience about claiming top up benefits as they are already doing it.


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Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.


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But it's Labour who are going to get people off benefits and into work isn't it, it must be easy surely? Why not start by increasing the costs of hiring employees and thereby cutting jobs? Oh shit didn't really think it through on this one! Again!


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.

that does not happen and never will. once your period of unemployment benefits are up then they are told to go somewhere else to obtain other benefits. yes there are the proffesional unemployed but until there are more jobs than people this will always be the case. do we actually want to see more rough sleepers about who refuse to work. at least workers have something they have not. pride in earning a crust where you can walk tall and can brag about it.


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Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.

that does not happen and never will. once your period of unemployment benefits are up then they are told to go somewhere else to obtain other benefits. yes there are the proffesional unemployed but until there are more jobs than people this will always be the case. do we actually want to see more rough sleepers about who refuse to work. at least workers have something they have not. pride in earning a crust where you can walk tall and can brag about it.


Years ago I decided to sign on not for the money it was only £70, it can be quite daunting, I was signing on every 2 weeks and I had to show I had applied for 14 jobs. That was very difficult because in my trade jobs are not advertised but it could be any job. One week I didn’t meet the quota, I had to return on the afternoon and discuss it with a manager. I agreed to go on a CV course how to put together a CV, tbh the majority my employment over the years was who you knew not through a CV. I was then given 4 X A4 sheets of paper by a colleague of employment agencies some which I knew were defunct but every week I printed off 14 of the agencies and that was accepted. In the end I signed off even though I didn’t find a job and retired early as some of the DWP staff treated me with contempt because they seen me as a soft touch, others were just going through the motions.


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But it's Labour who are going to get people off benefits and into work isn't it, it must be easy surely? Why not start by increasing the costs of hiring employees and thereby cutting jobs? Oh shit didn't really think it through on this one! Again!

I bet you were one those years ago when minimum wage first came in shouting and screaming that they'll be millions of job losses etc.
That didn't happen did it??


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But it's Labour who are going to get people off benefits and into work isn't it, it must be easy surely? Why not start by increasing the costs of hiring employees and thereby cutting jobs? Oh shit didn't really think it through on this one! Again!

I bet you were one those years ago when minimum wage first came in shouting and screaming that they'll be millions of job losses etc.
That didn't happen did it??

the only problem it did cause in areas of high unemployment and seasonal work was the minimum wag became the maximum one paid.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Jamie1952 wrote:
PTID wrote:
Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.

that does not happen and never will. once your period of unemployment benefits are up then they are told to go somewhere else to obtain other benefits. yes there are the proffesional unemployed but until there are more jobs than people this will always be the case. do we actually want to see more rough sleepers about who refuse to work. at least workers have something they have not. pride in earning a crust where you can walk tall and can brag about it.


Years ago I decided to sign on not for the money it was only £70, it can be quite daunting, I was signing on every 2 weeks and I had to show I had applied for 14 jobs. That was very difficult because in my trade jobs are not advertised but it could be any job. One week I didn’t meet the quota, I had to return on the afternoon and discuss it with a manager. I agreed to go on a CV course how to put together a CV, tbh the majority my employment over the years was who you knew not through a CV. I was then given 4 X A4 sheets of paper by a colleague of employment agencies some which I knew were defunct but every week I printed off 14 of the agencies and that was accepted. In the end I signed off even though I didn’t find a job and retired early as some of the DWP staff treated me with contempt because they seen me as a soft touch, others were just going through the motions.

the exactly same thing i suffered even though they knew i was only unemployed from november to the end of february. got to know a woman who worked there and everything seemed fine when i rolled up unwashed and unshaven with scruffy clothes on i,d put on dog walking. going there smart was akin to making an effort in their eyes.


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My experience with the DWP staff was one was like a little hitler, some gave you the impression the money was coming from their own pocket and others were just going through the motions just signing you on and waiting to clock off.


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It's going up by approx 6000 votes per hour. :wink:


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It's going up by approx 6000 votes per hour. :wink:


Ultimately it will make no difference but if it embarrasses the hell out of Starmer it will have served a great purpose. As I read somewhere, maybe on here: his dad was tool maker but he should have been a condom maker.


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Another personal comment. Too many use these pathetic jokes these days on all sides of politics. The on line abuse is awful these days . Jonathan Brash can't post without being called Jonathan Trash , what is wrong with peop!e these days.


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It's going up by approx 6000 votes per hour. :wink:


Ultimately it will make no difference but if it embarrasses the hell out of Starmer it will have served a great purpose. As I read somewhere, maybe on here: his dad was tool maker but he should have been a condom maker.


The Re join Brexit petition got 6 million votes, nothing changed.


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Young people on the news today some complained they were unfit to work due to stress, depression and anxiety, my GP diagnosed me with stress and anxiety, I tried claiming on a policy I had to cover earnings and their answer was only a specialist consultant can diagnose that not a GP. Yes we have a major problem with mental health but is it being used too much, who diagnoses it, are people using it too claim benefits with out proper diagnosis ?


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Another personal comment. Too many use these pathetic jokes these days on all sides of politics. The on line abuse is awful these days . Jonathan Brash can't post without being called Jonathan Trash , what is wrong with peop!e these days.


Well maybe people make these "pathetic jokes" because they are angry and frustrated regarding the conduct of politicians. In my case I am angry about the following aspects of Starmers performance.
1. Two tier justice system where one type of people get preferential treatment.
2. The blatant cover up of what went on at Southport: fecking outrageous.
3. The people who rioted because of what everyone except the Merseyside police and Starmer knew had happened were called "far right" though of course no one was allowed to specaulate about the motives of the Southport perpetrator because it might prejudice his chance of justice. No problem speculating about the motives of the rioters of course because Starmer tried them all and found them all guilty in a matter of seconds.
4. Starmers much publicized plan to stop the boats by "smashing the gangs". It was so obviously the worst kind of lie and I am very angry that Starmer thinks people are so stupid they would believe this bull excrement. Of course the numbers crossing the channel since Starmer got in are rising all the time.
5. Starmer said Labour would not house the migrants in Hotels but they are doing precisely that.
6. Zero emissions plan leading to thecost of everything rising.

So I dont mind what I call Starmer. It makes no difference to him or anything he does but it helps just a tiny bit to assauge my furious anger.


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And the " Pledge " is now over a million votes and growing fast. People are rightly very unhappy with this lot. :roll:

You do realise that this petition started 4 weeks ago and only gained momentum when someone over the water jumped on it a few days ago....his name ryhmes with Dusk.


I just been told it was started on the 20th November by a landlord. sctatchinghead


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It's going up by approx 6000 votes per hour. :wink:


Ultimately it will make no difference but if it embarrasses the hell out of Starmer it will have served a great purpose. As I read somewhere, maybe on here: his dad was tool maker but he should have been a condom maker.


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Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.

Start training them full time….get them into training routine five days a week…if they don’t turn up dock their money like in the real world of work.
Also crack down on those with mental health problems that have rocketed since Covid

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The problem is the government won't spend a penny in actually creating jobs for benefit claimants to go into, that'll be the job of private enterprise who've just been hit with rises in Minimum Wage, NI, and Workers Rights costs.


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The problem is the government won't spend a penny in actually creating jobs for benefit claimants to go into, that'll be the job of private enterprise who've just been hit with rises in Minimum Wage, NI, and Workers Rights costs.

They suffer from disjointed thinking.

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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Poolie27 wrote:
Another personal comment. Too many use these pathetic jokes these days on all sides of politics. The on line abuse is awful these days . Jonathan Brash can't post without being called Jonathan Trash , what is wrong with peop!e these days.


Well maybe people make these "pathetic jokes" because they are angry and frustrated regarding the conduct of politicians. In my case I am angry about the following aspects of Starmers performance.
1. Two tier justice system where one type of people get preferential treatment.
2. The blatant cover up of what went on at Southport: fecking outrageous.
3. The people who rioted because of what everyone except the Merseyside police and Starmer knew had happened were called "far right" though of course no one was allowed to specaulate about the motives of the Southport perpetrator because it might prejudice his chance of justice. No problem speculating about the motives of the rioters of course because Starmer tried them all and found them all guilty in a matter of seconds.
4. Starmers much publicized plan to stop the boats by "smashing the gangs". It was so obviously the worst kind of lie and I am very angry that Starmer thinks people are so stupid they would believe this bull excrement. Of course the numbers crossing the channel since Starmer got in are rising all the time.
5. Starmer said Labour would not house the migrants in Hotels but they are doing precisely that.
6. Zero emissions plan leading to thecost of everything rising.

So I dont mind what I call Starmer. It makes no difference to him or anything he does but it helps just a tiny bit to assauge my furious anger.



Even the most hard left 'proud'Labour voters must be shaking their heads at their failings..


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.

Start training them full time….get them into training routine five days a week…if they don’t turn up dock their money like in the real world of work.
Also crack down on those with mental health problems that have rocketed since Covid


While I am 100% behind the sentiment it would never work. Imagine the claimants going to the BBC and The Guardian with photos of their gangs of kids who were all starving cos dad was too fecking idle to attend the training. Unfortunately we have built a culture of dependency which will be impossible to break unless a government (any government) was prepared to stand up to the liberal elite who hold the reins of power.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Poolie27 wrote:
Another personal comment. Too many use these pathetic jokes these days on all sides of politics. The on line abuse is awful these days . Jonathan Brash can't post without being called Jonathan Trash , what is wrong with peop!e these days.


Well maybe people make these "pathetic jokes" because they are angry and frustrated regarding the conduct of politicians. In my case I am angry about the following aspects of Starmers performance.
1. Two tier justice system where one type of people get preferential treatment.
2. The blatant cover up of what went on at Southport: fecking outrageous.
3. The people who rioted because of what everyone except the Merseyside police and Starmer knew had happened were called "far right" though of course no one was allowed to specaulate about the motives of the Southport perpetrator because it might prejudice his chance of justice. No problem speculating about the motives of the rioters of course because Starmer tried them all and found them all guilty in a matter of seconds.
4. Starmers much publicized plan to stop the boats by "smashing the gangs". It was so obviously the worst kind of lie and I am very angry that Starmer thinks people are so stupid they would believe this bull excrement. Of course the numbers crossing the channel since Starmer got in are rising all the time.
5. Starmer said Labour would not house the migrants in Hotels but they are doing precisely that.
6. Zero emissions plan leading to thecost of everything rising.

So I dont mind what I call Starmer. It makes no difference to him or anything he does but it helps just a tiny bit to assauge my furious anger.



Even the most hard left 'proud'Labour voters must be shaking their heads at their failings..

And you have every right to say these things but too many people end up abusing others who they disagree with. In another point some of the abuse of Brash is made by Reform voters and who have also been to prison for serious offences. They're not peop!e to associate with.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
PTID wrote:
Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.

Start training them full time….get them into training routine five days a week…if they don’t turn up dock their money like in the real world of work.
Also crack down on those with mental health problems that have rocketed since Covid


While I am 100% behind the sentiment it would never work. Imagine the claimants going to the BBC and The Guardian with photos of their gangs of kids who were all starving cos dad was too fecking idle to attend the training. Unfortunately we have built a culture of dependency which will be impossible to break unless a government (any government) was prepared to stand up to the liberal elite who hold the reins of power.

the get out of jail card for anybody if they have got kids is having them and nobody wants any kid to starve. without them they,d put people on the streets with little thought for them.


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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
PTID wrote:
Didn't they say they going to get people off benefits?


Getting people of benefits under the current system isn’t straightforward, ask any one who works for the DWP, do you starve people back to work by cutting benefits, I am sure that would go down well.

Start training them full time….get them into training routine five days a week…if they don’t turn up dock their money like in the real world of work.
Also crack down on those with mental health problems that have rocketed since Covid

mental health is the new bad back because both are difficult to prove. feel sorry for the genuine ones who will be tarred with the same scroungers brush.


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Poolie27 wrote:
Sussex UK wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Poolie27 wrote:
Another personal comment. Too many use these pathetic jokes these days on all sides of politics. The on line abuse is awful these days . Jonathan Brash can't post without being called Jonathan Trash , what is wrong with peop!e these days.


Well maybe people make these "pathetic jokes" because they are angry and frustrated regarding the conduct of politicians. In my case I am angry about the following aspects of Starmers performance.
1. Two tier justice system where one type of people get preferential treatment.
2. The blatant cover up of what went on at Southport: fecking outrageous.
3. The people who rioted because of what everyone except the Merseyside police and Starmer knew had happened were called "far right" though of course no one was allowed to specaulate about the motives of the Southport perpetrator because it might prejudice his chance of justice. No problem speculating about the motives of the rioters of course because Starmer tried them all and found them all guilty in a matter of seconds.
4. Starmers much publicized plan to stop the boats by "smashing the gangs". It was so obviously the worst kind of lie and I am very angry that Starmer thinks people are so stupid they would believe this bull excrement. Of course the numbers crossing the channel since Starmer got in are rising all the time.
5. Starmer said Labour would not house the migrants in Hotels but they are doing precisely that.
6. Zero emissions plan leading to thecost of everything rising.

So I dont mind what I call Starmer. It makes no difference to him or anything he does but it helps just a tiny bit to assauge my furious anger.



Even the most hard left 'proud'Labour voters must be shaking their heads at their failings..

And you have every right to say these things but too many people end up abusing others who they disagree with. In another point some of the abuse of Brash is made by Reform voters and who have also been to prison for serious offences. They're not peop!e to associate with.

Ah Brash, didn’t he jumps ship as Councillor when The Akers Belchers took over….and reappeared when they left..?
Wonder why?

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Poolie27 wrote:
Sussex UK wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Poolie27 wrote:
Another personal comment. Too many use these pathetic jokes these days on all sides of politics. The on line abuse is awful these days . Jonathan Brash can't post without being called Jonathan Trash , what is wrong with peop!e these days.


Well maybe people make these "pathetic jokes" because they are angry and frustrated regarding the conduct of politicians. In my case I am angry about the following aspects of Starmers performance.
1. Two tier justice system where one type of people get preferential treatment.
2. The blatant cover up of what went on at Southport: fecking outrageous.
3. The people who rioted because of what everyone except the Merseyside police and Starmer knew had happened were called "far right" though of course no one was allowed to specaulate about the motives of the Southport perpetrator because it might prejudice his chance of justice. No problem speculating about the motives of the rioters of course because Starmer tried them all and found them all guilty in a matter of seconds.
4. Starmers much publicized plan to stop the boats by "smashing the gangs". It was so obviously the worst kind of lie and I am very angry that Starmer thinks people are so stupid they would believe this bull excrement. Of course the numbers crossing the channel since Starmer got in are rising all the time.
5. Starmer said Labour would not house the migrants in Hotels but they are doing precisely that.
6. Zero emissions plan leading to thecost of everything rising.

So I dont mind what I call Starmer. It makes no difference to him or anything he does but it helps just a tiny bit to assauge my furious anger.



Even the most hard left 'proud'Labour voters must be shaking their heads at their failings..

And you have every right to say these things but too many people end up abusing others who they disagree with. In another point some of the abuse of Brash is made by Reform voters and who have also been to prison for serious offences. They're not peop!e to associate with.


Farage was pelted with missiles by far left thugs and a lot of people found it very funny..Did we hear you condemning it?


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Leggie43 wrote:
It's going up by approx 6000 votes per hour. :wink:




Darlo and Hartlepool running at over 5,000 votes each on the map...Quick leggie run round and tell a neighbour to sign before we overtake you.. :laugh:


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