It's been done before, see the Tottenham riots

Also what about the pressure on the Police. Many have been pushed into uniform and I know of one who has had a heart attack as a result of the pressure

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-public-reaction-to-the-2024-riots
Some interesting stuff there.

Of course there was. And just to remind all sections of the community that now is a very bad time for anybody to try taking the law into their own hands, two Muslim 'counter-protestors' also got lengthy sentences yesterday:

https://news.sky.com/video/judge-senten ... n-13193968

Just a thought because none of us know the facts yet. But did some of people plead guilty before the fast track / big sentences were mentioned Because if you think about it the Hartlepool lot had been arrested and charged before the P.M. decided to go fast track. Also if you got caught for doing these things in the past I would guess the sentences for some would have been less prison terms and possibly community service fines etc for some. ( I am not saying that should have been the case ). I watched the footage of the bloke ( 53 yrs old ) in Hartlepool telling the police he paid their wages and generally being awkward and argumentative. He also bent over to show his arse to the police he got bit by the dog and arrested. If and I said "if" that's all he done I would be confident he would have got a slap on the hand before the riots not 32 months inside. Mind you on the other hand some of these idiots deserved prison 100%. I have personally seen much worse over the years at football games and drinking around our town than what that 53 yrs did.

We’ll agree they need the book throwing at them, I just don’t like the idea of this rush to prosecute as the timescale as surely there is no proper time for the accused to get meaningful legal advice on their position….it sounds like a pressurised rush even if they have pleaded guilty (shorter sentence?) I’d like to see them in court to show them up for what they are.
This way they’re quickly banged up and we know nothing, all very convenient, but changing nothing….we should be seeking to learn something from this to prevent it happening in the future.

This is confusing me.
We have those of a more ‘liberal” mindset sounding like Some retired General called Bloodknock in Cheltenham, writing a letter to the Telegraph demanding the birch and heinous retribution along with National Service and Daily flogging.
And I’ve become a well lefty lawyer over the rights of the accused…the World has gone mad…

And people try to deny we have a two tier justice system. What a joke.

The lad from Cardiff (irony) who murdered those three poor little girls and injured umpteen others wont come to trial for months on end. Why? It is not as though there is any doubt he did it. A yob, caught on camera, lobbing a brick at the police is immediately dealt with by the justice system but this evil barsteward is not. Why is this. The whole country want to see him given life with no prospect of release.

Prior to all this kicking off, politicians were quite happy to criticize and undermine the police at every opportunity. Now the police and the politicians are best mates.

I think the reason they plead guilty was because they were bang to rights with phone video footage and body cams worn by the Police.
The 2 blokes in Hartlepool who'd been to Bingo were asked for 10 minutes to leave the area and stop taunting the Police and they were also egging others on to attack the Police.
They deserved everything they got...including the bite on the arse.

I think due to the amount of evidence against them they would have been told to plead guilty and getting a third off their sentences.

Just imagine the out cry if Farage had said that on the the news.

I wonder if he’s gonna fight it, but I wondered why his would appear on the 6th of September.

That goes to show we haven't got a two tier justice system. Could be that there's no Court available until then due to all the other Court Cases?
If he'd have been given Bail I might have agreed with you regarding the two tier Justice System.

That's interesting Dustin that he was not given bail. Therefore it does appear he is being dealt with properly.

Murderers n Nonces getting dealt with after egg-throwers.

The point I was getting at is, shouldn’t he have been dealt with immediately like the others, just wondered why.

I think there's a lot more evidence to go through with 3 murders and he won't be pleading guilty.
How many murder cases do you know of that have been dealt with within a week, month even 12 months?

And read my reply again.

It’ll come out in the wash.

No court available until September, you're funnier than your namesake ever was.

If someone gets arrested tomorrow for being involved with the riots chances are they won't appear in Court until September due to the number of cases already allocated slots.
Is that simpler for you?

It's not a conspiracy that this Councillor isn't getting processed through the Courts until September. He'll more than likely have wanted it sorted out before then instead of been on remand in Prison.

since when has evidence been a problem if they could have afforded the best legal advice available or free human rights ones. those who can remember the ex MP gerald nabarro who said british justice is the best in the world as long as you can afford it.

I'd be prepared to bet if Joe Bloggs gets arrested for rioting today he'll be in court tomorrow. Of course unlike you I don't have access to the court listing's for England.

unless his name starts with sir, lord, right honerable or works for the bbc.

Or is a signed up member of the Labour Party.

Like some have said, these pricks pleaded guilty so there weren’t any trials. It’s also of major public interest for them to be dealt with quickly and harshly to stop others. I get the feeling that if Boris Johnson had dealt with it like Labour have then he would be getting praise on here for being strong and taking no shit.

Or has he taken legal advice ?

have any pleaded not guilty. does seem odd if nobody has when its only CCTV evidence thats against them and been arrested after the event. its far better than it once was but still not 100% by what i have seen. if i,d been a woman with long hair i,d have cut it short as soon as i got home and dumped the clothes i had on at the quickest opportunity and pleaded not guilty by mistaken identity. or are you guilty now before you have to prove your own innocence unlike it used to be.

But Boris Johnson and Starmer shouldn't be anywhere near the judicial process which is the point.
MPs make the laws and the police and CPS enforce it.

It’s the clash of the TITanS.

You must be expecting a jail sentence Mr Gee? It's all out there on video for all to see .. Remand will be taken into consideration of course.


Is this what really goes on at these peaceful marches??

Johnson and Starmer have not arrested anyone, prosecuted anyone or judged anyone. All is well.

If it hasn't had a nod from Farage it counts for nothing nowadays..

The two arrested at Manchester airport have still not been charged when they eventually get charged they will be released on bail to appear at Mags. Court then they will plead NG and request Crown Court trial so my money will be that there will be no trial this year.

I don't think they will be charged, already seen by millions to have been the si called innocent victims. Charge them and there'll be riots all over again.
I reckon the only charges will be against the police and definitely the one who probably in the heat of the moment went into fight mode and lost his discipline.

If they don't charge them, then the argument goes back to two tier policing as they allegedly assaulted police officers. People last week have been sentenced to a few years in prison for attacking the police. They surely have to be charged, whether they are found guilty is up to the courts.

It’s the world we live in.

I would round all those wearing hoodies and masks and send them to a detention centre, no internet, no heating, no tv etc in the wilds and have them running round the hills for 6 months.

but what about their human rights i can hear. as for hoodies and masks just ask manufacturers to stop making them and make the wearing of masks illegal in the street unless you need one for medical reasons. bloody hate clothes with hoods but its harder to find ones without them than with them.

Just read the police have sent file on the Manchester Airport incident to the CPS asking WETHER to charge. Am I missing something or what. Did I not see two men attacking police officers and breaking a police woman’s nose. Have they not got the bottle to charge them and say to the CPS now get on with it and prosecute.

They'll be shit scared of the repercussions of charging them. Mind the repercussions of not charging them could be and longer term probably will be worse.

But who exactly are we supposed to be scared of…?

from what I've seen on those TV shows following police on Channel 5 the police present the evidence to the CPS who then choose whether to charge as they only charge if there's a good chance of conviction to keep the court costs down. It always amazes me when they say they were released due to lack of evidence when I've just sat for an hour watching it all unfold on CCTV and body-worn cameras. Maybe the CPS need to watch Channel 5 more

How long did it take the Police to determine that there were parties at No 10 when they had the photos and videos and there were police on site? I'm all for swift justice but swift justice for all.

This could be interesting, I wanna see how they act on this one.

Or Starmer at his base in Durham during the by election here in Hartlepool, pity they weren’t based in the town.

Think there'll be protests if they're charged and protests if they're not. Probably weighing up which group will cause the least havoc.