It's a diversion. Immigration isn't the cause of any of the problems in this country. It's useful for racists to blame that, but the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That isn't because some lads have arrived on a boat looking for asylum. Things have not really got any better in the last 50 years. Child poverty up, homelessness up, housing shortage, nhs and schools underfunded, police underfunded, judiciary underfunded, prisons underfunded. I mean I could go on.

And having thousands arriving weekly straight on to benefits of some kind doesn't contribute to that? They all need housing and the costs that come along with that, they get pocket money and phones.
Then their families arrive and the wives (quite often more than one per man) get their benefits and jump the queue for the NHS.
Schools needing interpreters since the influx of new kids cant speak a word of english.
It all costs money so its no wonder all the things you mention above have their budgets cut or even if more money is thrown at it (NHS for example) its still not enough!

60% of the population growth between 2004 and 2021 was due to migrants arriving in the UK. Between those years people born outside the UK went from 5.7m to 9.1m people.
All of the services you mention are stretched or underfunded because there's too many folk wanting to access them. Now I'm all for looking after our own first, and I don't mind what colour, religion, or political stance they're from.
Similarly I don't mind where any of these illegals are coming from or the colour of their skin etc but I want them to stop because we haven't got room or infrastructure to accommodate any more. Why should my kids and grandkids not be able to access NHS services quickly when they need them, or have access to decent education, or ability to buy property, etc just because all these liberals want to open the doors and let anyone in.

All of the services I mention have been in decline for years due to underfunding and underinvestment. We should be able to adequately cope. Are you really suggesting that nhs waiting lists, lack of doctors and nurses and a failing estate infrastructure is due to immigration? The tories spent 9Bn on Rwanda project. They could have invested that money in to services. They literally pissed it out of country. New hospital programme. Nothing delivered. No new hospitals. Every scheme delayed. Paid consultants hundreds of millions for nothing. Keep on believing that this countrys problems are due to immigration lol

So what is an acceptable level of immigration….?

Ever heard of cutting your cloth to suit your needs? If our services can cope with say a population of say 55m why allow uncontrolled migration it's madness. Build the infrastructure and improve services before increasing the demand on those services and infrastructure would be the sane thing to do.
Government keep chucking more and more money at the NHS by the way but things won't improve until efficiencies and optimisation are the order of the day rather than waste and top heavy beaurocracy and all the needless non medical staff associated.

Non medical staff are absolutely required in the nhs you've not got any idea lol. Who you been listening to? What's an acceptable level? All of them who are daft enough and brave enough. Relocate them to Darlo and give them a job in the treasury. You're wasting your energy trying to manage them and their 7 wives lol.

Yeah it's a shame people can't disagree these days without being disagreeable. The left are terrible for it, gammon, fascist, bigot, nazi, racist etc....

The shame of it is, Labour have not shied away from saying they want to control immigration. They've made it very clear Give them a chance I say. The tories failed to do it. That Rwanda bollocks, expensive and ineffective. No need, just assess the assylum claims efficiently and make decisions. There is NO evidence from migrant data that people were deterred.

But hey let's get out on the streets and wreck things to get the government to stop the boats when they've already said they want to.

I did say needless non medical staff, so actually I do have a clue.
Diversity managers being an example.

Labours plan to stop the boats is to smash the gangs by liaising with the likes of interpol which I don't know for certain but I'd imagine the previous government were already doing that. They're talking about a new Border Command unit or some such but haven't even appointed a leader of that yet, not sure who would want the job to be fair.
No excuses for the rioting mind.
With regard to the boats, if they're seaworthy the law says we can push them back towards France but we don't. We're also obliged to rescue them if they're apparently in trouble according to international law, isn't it strange how the French deem them not to be in trouble until they reach our territorial waters?
I suppose the country is going to the dogs so opening the floodgates is only going to get us there a bit quicker but what the hell. So many want to save the planet but are happy to flush the UK down the shitter.

685000 people were granted visas last year, does that mean there were 685000 jobs that U.K. citizens couldn’t do. It would be good to see a breakdown of what the visas were granted for and for what occupation they entered into, I assume a company would have to sponsor them ?
Granted a few would have been students but what check is to ensure they actually attend uni ?

Now = Zero.
We gone well over our capacity.
We basically a small country.
Must be plenty of Space in Greenland Iceland.
Shetland n Orkney Islands.

As for these job vacancies.
Fill them with our people.
Only lazy bastads because clueless governments allow them to be.
Simple as that.

I honestly dont understand how anyone can actually believe this. Why is it racist to want immigration to be controlled? This question never seems to be answered.

If 750,000 thousand legal immigrants arrive plus another 30,000 illegals that will be a significant number of Dr and dentist appointments no longer available to existing residents of the UK. The government have no clue how many immigrants (legal and illegal) will arrive so it is impossible to plan for the number of Doctors and dentists etc needed. Why not control the numbers then it will be possible to plan?

Someone should tell these immigrants how things have not got any better in the last 50 years. They've got the wrong idea. They seem to think this country is worth risking their lives to get to. None of them ever seem to leave when they experience life in our shocking country.

"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer". Tired worn out ancient Marxist bull. As a genersal rule, if you are prepared to work and make sensible life choices, there is the opportunity to have a reasonable life in this country. If you wont work, have gangs of kids and expect everyone else to pay for you, life will not be luxurious but then its a choice. Granted some people fall on hard times through illness, loss of employment but thats why we have benefits as a safety net, to give support to enable people to get back on their feet. This is a sefty net its not meant to be a lifestyle choice.

The lads on boats are economic migrants who make asylum claims to avoid deportation and it works like a charm. When the asylum claim is rejected they just lauch appeal after appeal. Even when appeals run out they still dont get deported because the Home Office is not fit for purpose.

have always agreed in controlling immigration and bringing in people when we want and what areas of work we want them in. however i feel services especially the sacred cow the NHS was struggling before the first boat left calais. if a population of any town has only gone up by a small number then why is it harder and harder to get a doctors appointment face to face anymore. i,d hazard a guess if you were paying there would be no problem.

do not blame the french as every boat that leaves france lowers their problem. as for smashing the gangs with combined police actions they are certainly not doing a very good job of it. i,d guess if it was a crime against the big business money people they,d have been caught and banged up PDQ.

and i,d guess now that some of those would have been on the riot side of the recent protests. they might only be protesting as they might feel more immigrants could reduce their benefits in the end. doubt there backs were bad then or there mental helth problems just went away for a few hours.

Wanting immigration controled seems to get passed of as Racism
(the cheap dig for having a different opinion)
Which the gbnews team have just picked up on.
Not everyone protesting /concerned about over immigration are FAR RIGHT THUGS.

Some news channels stating these riots were causing by miss information only.
Been bubbling up under the surface for a while since Lee Rigby. Him from hpool murdered etc.

A bit of carry on in Bangladesh.
A lot of worldwide violence created by dodgy bent selfish governments.

And sadly it looks like it ain't ending anytime soon.

and anyone employed painting rainbow crossings that i do my utmost to scuff when walking on them from the car park to the main entrance of mine.

The state of this country and immigration are 2 things largely unrelated. There is always a minor element of truth in saying more people add to the problem, but the point is the problem is already there. Reducing immigration will not solve it. Having a diversity manager in any organisation is a positive thing. If reducing waiting lists was as simple as that it would have been done by now.

Are you a diversity manager…?
If I bring the entire population of Denmark into this country it will cause problems on a basic supply and demand scale, of course bringing people in will cause problems…it’s not the migration, it’s the volume, simply and purely from a logistical point of view.

the only way the government could cope with the numbers is distributing them across the whole of britain where really the difference at the moment in towns would not make that much of a difference. the two main problems being more and more that enter the problems would become larger and they,d eventually migrate to the big towns and cities to the black market slave shops where all governments seem loath to do anything about as if they exist in the minds of the far right only.

No im not a diversity manager. Are you a world authority on the effects of migration snowy? lol

Wondering if you are? Seconds thoughts, the content of your posts suggests this couldn't possibly be the case.

Ever heard the term "you can't fit a quart in a pint pot"?
All of our services are stretched, we have British born living on the streets because there's a shortage of housing.
Our services should primarily serve the British population not every Tom Dick and Ali who wants to come here.
The pint pot is currently full and overflowing.

Are you snowy Ozzie? He needs you to stick up for him? Lol. I'm entitled to my opinion, same as you. You don't have to agree with me. I don't have to convince you I'm right. I have a different perspective. That doesn't mean I need to be a diversity manager. Diversity means the full cross section of society by the way. I could be a senior nhs manager who has greater insight than some into what is wrong with the system. That would make me part of the problem in your mind though right?

https://www.kingsfund.org/

The above link will help explain underinvestment in the nhs. There is a very simple reason we have waiting lists now far exceeding those under the last Labour government. That is the correlation, not immigration. It may be convenient to blame waiting lists on pressure brought by immigrants to breed fear and resentment but it is not accurate.

So none of these migrants use any NHS services, too much demand may not be the root cause of the problem but it certainly contributes.

So the Kingsfund are the arbiter of what's wrong in a seriously over stretched and under funded NHS?
Just another think tank with their own agenda as far as I can see.

No, just a good grounding in logic and mathematical probabilities….and the application of common sense over emotions.
I swerved the diversity manager route….. the endless meetings, hectoring and lecturing wear you down in the end…the idea of intimidating people into submission never appealed.
Last course that caught my eye was for the preparation of the deceased back in 1983 when we all thought we were going to another fire awareness course, everybody legged it except me and my oppo young Steve, I ‘ve had better Tuesdays.
Ah well..

How dare you…I’m demolishing the extension, can’t be in two places at once…Ozzy does some drive by’s for me though..l

Anyway …I’ve got widow frames to knock out…later

I assume you mean window frames Snowy.
UPVC window frame companies, why anyone would use one, I replaced all the UPVC windows in my last house a bungalow for a fraction of price I was quoted by companies. The last one which I never got round to changing was a 5/6 panel bay window.
I was quoted £2200 to replace it, I checked the place I bought the others £700 supply only. B & Q offer a made to measure online service which were reasonably priced but I opted for a local company. The hardest part was removing the screws holding the old frames in but I measured where the fixings were and reused them for the new ones.

No widow frames, because if she gives me one more job this week
These were wooden frames I made myself and I think I overdone it with the spec…the building is wooden framed and built for me teenagers to use, but the wife wants a wall knocking out and French Windows putting in, the hard part is getting rid of all the gear in there for starters…..seems like I bought a season ticket for the tip and anticipate getting an invite to their Xmas do….must admit my new Makita Rip saw is very satisfying to play with.

looking at the ages of these new migrants i doubt they are a drain on the health service. they are at an age where we hardly visited the doctors for a start. most men in their teens to early 40 never do. if it was women, kids and old gits arriving things would be much different.

Double stabbing in London today.
All a bit hush hush on what type of person did it.

Will it be the usual?!

Well whoever it was I don’t know , but the bloke was disarmed and restrained till the police turned by a security guard called Abdullah.
Just been on the news.

Think Neil Oliver, Farage, Enoch Powell may be right and civil war is a real possibility in the not too distant future. I don't remember knife crime being a thing through my life until fairly recently, maybe I've led a sheltered life, maybevits an imported thing? More gun crime to follow??

Well said Snowy. Glad someone mentioned it.

And more than likely on minimum wage. Well done that MAN risking your life to save others.

Not sticking up for Snowy, he is more than capable of sticking up for himself. I just wanted to give my two penn'orth. Diversity is a eupemism for what some call "positive discrimination" but I just call discrimination. It means giving jobs to people purely based on gender, sexual orientation or race. This means the best qualified/able/skilled does not get the job. In the NHS, I really would not fancy being operated upon by a diversity hire. The diversity policies of the successive governments have been to the detriment of this country.

Frenzied knife attacks on complete strangers are definitely on the up.


Not good news from Calais either with all of them gangs from the North and South of Sudan all falling out.I wonder where they will all end up ?

I may be a twat, but a reasonable twat.

No he’s not…I’ve been here since 2006 and have the freehold to my name and would never use another name, that’s just sad.
Who said you aren’t entitled to have an opinion, you can have as many as you like but opinions can be challenged…..My problem with ‘Diversity’ management is that any medium level manager should be able to include that in their portfolio as a matter of course.

I see you’ve changed back to your proper name, about fecking time too.
Parading on here with a name like some camp 70’s DJ was beyond the pale

Yeah I wonder. Was it 750 arrived in Dover today? I am sure not one of the Sudanese knife men will be among them. If they are they will be deported as quick as you can say Kier Starmer. Sure of it.

Interesting that the Irish government kicked off about the numbers of illegals moving from the UK to Ireland increased massively as the threat of Rwanda increased. So it was having a deterrent effect after all.

might have been a threat at the start but not after the months of inactivity getting a plane off the ground. kids quickly catch on when they know parents only threaten them and no action ever comes from it.

Frenzied knife attacks on complete strangers are definitely on the up.


then why doesn,t the government and police do anything about it. they were quick to clamo down on anyone who turned a protest into a riot when nobody actually died. well over 200 have died by knife attacks in the last 12 months with just talk coming from all quarters. looking at the majority of the names involved with knives you can see why conspiracy theories abound about a softer approach on certain sections of people.

EEbahgum, thahs bin missed t'old lad. Mahn's a pint sithee.

A 32 year old Romanian man of no fixed abode, has been charged with attempted murder regarding the stabbing incident in Leicester Square yesterday.
I reckon Abdullah deserves a commendation for stopping him.