Right let’s get down to business, never call Pool’s performances again.
Against a team who looked like an East European Identity parade and whose aim in life is to get a draw you have to ask yourself how we’re turning out such crap on the pitch.
They were talked up pre competition, but in reality are a remedy for insomnia.
It’s just shite, shite, shite again and a sprinkling of tedious shite, just so mind numbing.
But, that aside, it’s also crap.
Endless, endless, tippy tapping passes busy going nowhere and not very physically combative, no passion, just lethargic dizziness on display.
It was a battle to stay awake and fight sleep last night watching that …to be honest we never even looked like scoring.

Against Serbia, Denmark, Slovenia hardly world class opposition a total of 8 shots on target and 2 goals in the 3 games says it all.
Booed off in 2 of the 3 games by their own travelling supporters too!
But we finished top of the group and all is rosy in Southgates world.

Southgate always reminds me of the daft teacher at school who’d believe any excuse you gave..y’know the sort……come to school on the morning, nick off on the afternoon and tell him you slept in, he’d never work it out…just like the England team.

The only time the forward players played as if it was for their club was the best moment of the match resulting in the offside goal. We just tore them apart, why we didn't go for the jugular after that is beyond my comprehension.
And against top class opposition we would surely have conceded in the 1st 20 mins considering how many times we passed to their players around the edge of our box. Southgate is totally deluded if he thinks that defence will be good enough against the better teams.
And to cap it all those 2 tarts on the side of the pitch made it even worse. There'd be he'll on if they had an all male presentation team pitch side before a big England Women's match.

Must be a woman thing our lass loves a good murder mystery. Loves a good " chop up " post mortem and also enjoys all real live medical operations. I hate it when anything blood related / operation related comes on the news during meal times It puts me off my food and makes me bork. She will very very happily watch a real life chop up whilst enjoying a meal. Then again her mother used to work in the hospital mortuary making the dead look good with body packaging and make up

why is it that an england manager gets all that shit when if their own league team topped a league no matter how they played their manager would be a hero. is it a case of some england fans just do not have a regular club to watch and treating the euro,s as a big lads piss up holiday with a bit of football included in it.

if women did not watch television they,d never show programmes like emergency ward 10, casualty, holby city or doctors as most blokes cannot stand them. thats before you go to those dramatic ones from yank land.

Who do we play Sunday?.
Cant be arsed to work it out.

Massive difference sitting unbeaten of a 24 club league to sitting top of a 4 team league which is seeded.
I'd say there is another big difference too, Pools are shite and it's all Raj's fault, England struggle and it's all the managers fault not his employer the FA.

When I first visited Florida back in the 80s I was gobsmacked when watching the regional morning news. Almost every day you would see live coverage of people trapped in cars or getting cut from cars after crashes and reporters asking them questions whilst being filmed live on news. Blood everywhere / people screaming in pain even the odd dead body ( and not blanked out or covered ) only in America. I used to think what are the family members thinking watching mam or dad trapped in a car on way to work. Its different now you still see the close ups in crashes but no questions put to the injured and no close up dead bodies. The problem over in Florida is all the t.v. networks have helicopters that circle around daily showing early morning traffic jams etc but when a accident occurs they just land near it and jump out to film therefore getting there well before the police ambulance and fire fighters. Very very strange but it was normal to the Yanks.

It is the FAs fault they employ a manager by his IMAGE not his ability.

Same as about 90% of employers do nowadays, Its all about their IMAGE.
And of course its a load of Bollocks.

If you topped a league of four where you were a Premiership club and the other three teams were a championship side and two league two teams you’d be pee’d off.

Southgate is so thick skinned it’s beyond belief, he continued applauding the fans even though they were booing him at the end of the game and throwing plastic beer cups at him.

You can add TV companies to that who can only find Women to exercise "expert" analysis in Men's football.

Stop arguing with yourself again!!!!
It's only Football.

It's not settled till the final group games are played today.

Looks like being Holland - hope so because they won't put 10 men behind the ball and hope to nick something on the break the way Serbia, Denmark and Slovenia did.
In an open game England will either get hammered and put us all out of our misery or finally show they can play a bit. Win-win either way.

how many times over the years even before alf ramsey and especially after when talking about an england future manager has someone rightfully have stated that they,ll never get the job because they were not the england type. cloughie was the fans choice but even back then it was not the fans who were seen as the important ones. its how they react to the media. FIFA and UEFA officials and not rocking any political boat that are the important matters where non england football matters can see you getting the sack quicker than missing out on a tournament. do other countries or sports pick a manager who would mke a politician or a diplomat over their ability to do the job.

Saint Gareth of Serenity arises above such behaviour as God sent him down to manage the team……

Even worse was when the FA Committee picked the actual team back in the day.

it must have been much harder for them doing it back in the day when there were so many names to pick from. we have all done that at school and no matter who we picked if we stayed away from silly names from our clubs these names were all legitimate ones. now the squad nearly picks itself with so many top foreign stars playing in the premier league. its hard to see anyone being picked from a league below that like ray wilson back in 66.

It’s a team of individuals that don’t seem to fit together all that well.
Every team needs some bog standard workers to bring the big egos into line, to give the team some purpose…all stars never works, they’re like bricks in a wall, you need cement to keep them together or they ‘wobble’.

Slovakia next FIFA ranking 45, England should be able to knock a few goals past them, will Southgate go all out for it ?
Francesco Calzona their manager only ever played 3 games in his career but has been an assistant manager at a few Italian clubs, a bit of an unknown quantity.

We still in it to win it.
When we beat the Slovaks the Doomsters will melt away.
Support ya country to the maximum.
Come on you super 3 lions.

Can see us struggling again unless he has a radical rethink on team selection and tactics.

in a knockout situation a 1 nil win is as good as a 7 nil one or a win on penalty kicks after a goaless draw. why change a formula that might have bored the pants off fans where many do not watch football regularly when you top a group and remain unbeaten. which manager has given total perfection ever in the game. if he did change and go all gung ho and england won 4-2 the knockers would bleat on about a defense that conceeded 2. he has the hardest job in football to satisfy all of the people all of the time.

They've already beaten Belgium in the group games. Chances are it's going to be another deadly dull arm-wrestle on Sunday like the games against Serbia and Slovenia. I'd have preferred an open game against Holland but Georgia beating Portugal last night put the kibbosh on that.

England to win 1-0 (unless it goes to penalties... )

The biggest worry for me is that we don't seem to have a plan B and if we go behind which we could easily have done in the 1st 20 mins on Tuesday how will we turn it around against a team that would probably sit deep to protect their lead?

Slovakia to win 1-0 and England miss a penalty. Southgate resigns.

even at pools level a team that does that is hard to break down and always carries a threat. showed last night a team like turkey had to wait till nearly the final minute of a game and they play a more risky game than england ever do from about 10minutes against 10 men.

is that a prediction or a hope.

England were in the poorest group in the tournament which is why they are unbeaten. The criticism of Southgate is entirely justified. England's last game before this tournament was a 1-0 loss to Iceland. That is four pish poor performances in a row. We have a lot of talented players but they are managed by someone who is out of his depth. I will say this in Southgate's favour: he must be the luckyest manager England has ever had in terms of the opposition England have faced in tournaments. We could have been in the World cup final if we had beaten Croatia. We could have won the Euros against an aging Italian side. Any other manager would have won both games.

Southgate resiging is the hope!

No doubt about it imo, The players are being mismanaged.

Asking players to do the opposite to what they have been doing all season is foolish beyond the point.
The quicker hes gone the better, Sick of living with false hope, Bit like pools.

Done me best to stay positive n patient.
These Arseholes have finally broke me.
Absolute shite.
Reckon Pools n Darlo would give the Slovaks a harder game.

Will he bring on Palmer for Saka I very very much doubt it How can people say Shitgate is a good manager On paper we have probably the best team in the competition but with that clown in charge we have race horses tethered Foden is not doing the business along with many others in this team. I would bring on both Palmer & Gordon a good for it...but will he like hell he will.

The Turkish referee is desperate to send off a English player. Probably the most corrupt referees in European football. Whatever happens second half... do not expect this twat to give anything to England infact expect the opposite

If Southgate offered to manage Pools for nothing, I wouldn't take him up on it!

Tripper should of shot.
Blatant offside.

Put the names in a hat.

England have the best individual players, it doesn’t make them the best team.

Yep, best squad with the poorest manager equals losers.
Southgate is as bad as McLaren was but he's luckier.

Best squad..in theory.
Good on paper, shit on grass.

Foden and Saka are playing with shackles on, 2 of the best attacking and creative PL midfielders turned into negative non entities. Kane one of the best finishers in the world given no ammunition whatsoever - 1st England shot on target, in a game we were chasing for more than an hour, in the 89th minute ffs.
Toss up between Pickford and Stones for most touches.
Back 4 full of mistakes throughout the tournament so far but extremely poor last night.
The moron in charge will probably start the same 11 v Switzerland if they're all fit.

Foden saw plenty of the ball last night but did nothing with it. He couldn't even stay onside for a tap in. Southgate is clueless but 'shackles? Footballers aren't automatons, Foden tried his luck right across the forward positions last night and made no impression. He's having a very poor tournament and looks like he knows it.

He'll have to make at least one change in defence, Guehi was booked so he is suspended for the next match

Anyone watch Slovenia v Portugal last night? Portugal moved the ball around a lot better than England did in their group game but couldn't score against them in 120 minutes of open play - they squeaked through on penalties.

Slovenia are a really hard team to break down and a long way from being the worst team in this tournament (that would be Scotland). For that mattery Germany needed some help from Michael Oliver and VAR to get past Denmark in their tie. The form book says maybe England weren't in such an easy group after all.

if slovenia had someone who could finish or put a decent final pass in a move they could have won. its fine defending with your life but you need to make the best of the scraps you get at the other end of the pitch. it shows in pro and semi pro football that you can defend against a better side in league and cup games but usually the result ends like it did for f.c. ronaldo last night.