HUST comment on season ticket increase

Mikey76 · **Joined:** Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:02 pm **Posts:** 664

derwent wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

There’s no win against an owner no question, the only card the fans hold is the bums on seats one.

Absolutely but even that is fraught with danger insomuch as should the revenue decline so probably will the investment and, apart from that, do we want a sort of tit for tat which will inevitably increase division, whilst furthering the club's decline.
We have to close the gap between the fans expectation and the owner's commitment.

Increasingly I’m thinking the owner has to go. By all sensible accounts he’s had bloody good offers and is just being greedy. He doesn’t give a toss about our club. Got to go.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3778

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

Mikey76 wrote:

I joined the trust this year with the consortium stuff but thought what they articulated before that was spot on. Really every club should have a trust or group that represents fans, and if Mr I and others set it up (which they obviously did) then fair play. It’s a bit no win for HUST. Clearly they did a fantastic job pulling together a consortium and it showed Raj up as totally untrustworthy. He was the one who said he wanted to sell remember.
What should they do… they’ve got something like 700 paying members, there’s widespread discontent. Do they just keep quiet incase they upset our leader? Does saying something online really affect whether Raj stays or goes? I say good on them and as a new member happy with the statement.

Quite right raj said he wanted to sell but he didn't say he would sell at any price and he didn't sell which demonstrates what some people have been saying all along that he will do what he wants to do. The object of the exercise in putting a consortium together was to convince Raj that he should go and let someone else have a go. It failed purely and simply and the consortium have not pushed it any further. Those are hard facts. Unpalatable as it is. Until people get the idea that Raj is here until he decides differently this saga will go on and on.
He will not be dictated to by you, me or anybody else.
When negotiations descend into point scoring off each other, name calling etc etc etc, then all is lost.
Calling him untrustworthy might satisfy you and even though you could be absolutely right, what do you expect it to achieve.
We have had years of this approach, tell me what it has achieved.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

Mikey76 wrote:

derwent wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

There’s no win against an owner no question, the only card the fans hold is the bums on seats one.

Absolutely but even that is fraught with danger insomuch as should the revenue decline so probably will the investment and, apart from that, do we want a sort of tit for tat which will inevitably increase division, whilst furthering the club's decline.
We have to close the gap between the fans expectation and the owner's commitment.

Increasingly I’m thinking the owner has to go. By all sensible accounts he’s had bloody good offers and is just being greedy. He doesn’t give a toss about our club. Got to go.

Of course you are but you have not come up with anything that will make him go. It doesn't matter what you believe about any offers. It depends entirely on how he sees it. I understand all the emotion and passion behind your thoughts and desires but the man in question so far hasn't budged an inch. Doesn't that even begin to make you wonder how it is to be done. He has all of the ball my friend. We have to coax it away from him. Insults and name calling haven't worked.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3778

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

Unfortunately nothing comes to mind, would help if he was more transparent with what he wanted money wise, I suspect there is a huge disconnect between what he can realistically get and what he thinks he is entitled to, and it’s only getting wider

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

Unfortunately nothing comes to mind, would help if he was more transparent with what he wanted money wise, I suspect there is a huge disconnect between what he can realistically get and what he thinks he is entitled to, and it’s only getting wider

And that is the dilemma, coming up with something that is remotely recognised by both sides as a worthwhile starting point.
He doesn't have to be transparent so he won't be unless it suits him.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3778

its a bit of a self defeating argument...no he doesnt have to be transparent, but on the other side we dont then need to be diplomatic on how he has made some ridiculous decisions that have turned the club to shit....his appointed lickspittle on the board can whisper sweet nothings into his ear around how great he is but we are under no obligation to do the same

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

loyal_fan wrote:

its a bit of a self defeating argument...no he doesnt have to be transparent, but on the other side we dont then need to be diplomatic on how he has made some ridiculous decisions that have turned the club to shit....his appointed lickspittle on the board can whisper sweet nothings into his ear around how great he is but we are under no obligation to do the same

That is the crux.....obligation.
He is the one who we want to change and he is under no obligation to do that, so the onus lies where????
If you want me to change you have to convince me, whereas I don't have to do anything other than pay token consideration to your efforts and because I can reject them at a whim, who has the ball me or you.
I don't pretend it is a desirable scenario, just the reality.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3778

but there comes a point where you realize its not going to change anyway, so where are you left?

Hopefully we are wrong, if the manager pulls some rabbits out of the hat and we have a half decent team that will go a long way to soothing sentiment, but I am not optimistic--and the accountability good and bad lies with the chairman

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

loyal_fan wrote:

but there comes a point where you realize its not going to change anyway, so where are you left?

Hopefully we are wrong, if the manager pulls some rabbits out of the hat and we have a half decent team that will go a long way to soothing sentiment, but I am not optimistic--and the accountability good and bad lies with the chairman

If it doesn't change then you are stuck with it. You can't wish it away, you can't tell it to go away, you can only persuade it.
What level of persuasion is going to produce a deal is anybody's guess.
He's got us truly by the short and curlies but there has got to be a point where he and only he will give way. That point has to be discovered.

Mikey76 · **Joined:** Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:02 pm **Posts:** 664

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

Unfortunately nothing comes to mind, would help if he was more transparent with what he wanted money wise, I suspect there is a huge disconnect between what he can realistically get and what he thinks he is entitled to, and it’s only getting wider

And that is the dilemma, coming up with something that is remotely recognised by both sides as a worthwhile starting point.
He doesn't have to be transparent so he won't be unless it suits him.

You make very good points as always, Derwent, and see both sides of the argument but reading your posts back, Raj, the bloke you’re describing sounds a proper twat. He is screwing our club.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

Mikey76 wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

Unfortunately nothing comes to mind, would help if he was more transparent with what he wanted money wise, I suspect there is a huge disconnect between what he can realistically get and what he thinks he is entitled to, and it’s only getting wider

And that is the dilemma, coming up with something that is remotely recognised by both sides as a worthwhile starting point.
He doesn't have to be transparent so he won't be unless it suits him.

You make very good points as always, Derwent, and see both sides of the argument but reading your posts back, Raj, the bloke you’re describing sounds a proper twat. He is screwing our club.

I'm just trying to be realistic mate. How I or you or anybody else paint Raj is really irrelevant in the context of how we get him to either change tack and bridge the gap between fans expectation and his commitment or alternatively pass the baton on to someone else.
I am looking for a solution rather than apportioning blame. I want something that will trigger that solution. I am not really interested in getting personal or name calling.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9107

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

PTID wrote:

I'd say a lot of the criticism is at least partially justified, but to criticise the state of the pitch and the groundstaff, really? I don't know about anyone else but my garden with is normally reasonably tidy has been like a paddy field since August last year, managed to get the lawnmower on it for the first time since September just last week? How on earth did they think the pitch would escape the weather?
Anyway, the point I'm making is that whatever relationship there was between the club and HUST must surely be damaged significantly by such a provocative official statement.
And these people want an interest in running the club, I wouldn't let them run a shoeshine stall.

HUST has spent the last 6 years trying to engage with the club under Raj Singh's ownership. For 5 1/2 years their tone was very respectful, pointing out the benefits of fan involvement and seeking to raise money to justify a seat at the table. Last year, when Raj spat out his dummy (not for the first time) because other fans objected to the team they support being in freefall, HUST took him at his word when he said he wanted to sell up and tried to set up a consortium to buy the club. The thanks they got was a "provocative official statement" rubbishing their efforts.

For the minute (and nobody has a clue how long this particular minute will last) Raj is carrying on. He has appointed his own "fans' representative" who has already shown that he is as cack-handed at communicating with the actual fans as he is himself. Meanwhile, HUST wouldn't be doing its job if it didn't continue to pass comment on matters of concern to the fan base like the season ticket increase, "the lack of investment and short-term thinking... Heavy use of the loan system to cover for a squad that lacks depth...The financial burden of the managerial churn..." How much of that isn't true?

As for the pitch, every other club in the NL has had the same weather (or worse) than North-East England this winter, but a number of visiting managers have gone out of their way to criticise the state of it. Is a new pitch being laid this summer? That used to happen quite regularly. Do we know if our groundstaff think they have the backing they need to do a good job? Maybe our fans' representatative will tell us!

Spot on the guy lead everyone down the garden path saying he was leaving, to get fans off his back, as for the pitch we have had bad weather but its amazing how many other grounds are like bowling greens still, mind you its the least of our problems now, staying in this division until this man has gone will be an achievement.Hust have called him out before the season has started knowing once again the standard of players brought in will be questionable. When do prices stop goung up will fans pay 30 quid in 5 years time, to watch sub standard players, giving very little?

No sell off and no takeover.
Been said before that somehow he draws a wage from the club.
I wudent rule it out.
Did the cup moneys clear the debt?.
Absolute disgrace how our club has disintegrated so rapidly.
And that ain't down to injuries n dodgy referees.
Morning Snowy :animals-dogrun:

keep it civilised.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Trouble is in life, it ain’t that easy.
I’ve worked under a few bastards in my time.
So you either adapt resentfully, like I did, or jump ship because your worship or outright hatred makes not a jot of difference, you just become bitter.
That’s life.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

PTID wrote:

I'd say a lot of the criticism is at least partially justified, but to criticise the state of the pitch and the groundstaff, really? I don't know about anyone else but my garden with is normally reasonably tidy has been like a paddy field since August last year, managed to get the lawnmower on it for the first time since September just last week? How on earth did they think the pitch would escape the weather?
Anyway, the point I'm making is that whatever relationship there was between the club and HUST must surely be damaged significantly by such a provocative official statement.
And these people want an interest in running the club, I wouldn't let them run a shoeshine stall.

HUST has spent the last 6 years trying to engage with the club under Raj Singh's ownership. For 5 1/2 years their tone was very respectful, pointing out the benefits of fan involvement and seeking to raise money to justify a seat at the table. Last year, when Raj spat out his dummy (not for the first time) because other fans objected to the team they support being in freefall, HUST took him at his word when he said he wanted to sell up and tried to set up a consortium to buy the club. The thanks they got was a "provocative official statement" rubbishing their efforts.

For the minute (and nobody has a clue how long this particular minute will last) Raj is carrying on. He has appointed his own "fans' representative" who has already shown that he is as cack-handed at communicating with the actual fans as he is himself. Meanwhile, HUST wouldn't be doing its job if it didn't continue to pass comment on matters of concern to the fan base like the season ticket increase, "the lack of investment and short-term thinking... Heavy use of the loan system to cover for a squad that lacks depth...The financial burden of the managerial churn..." How much of that isn't true?

As for the pitch, every other club in the NL has had the same weather (or worse) than North-East England this winter, but a number of visiting managers have gone out of their way to criticise the state of it. Is a new pitch being laid this summer? That used to happen quite regularly. Do we know if our groundstaff think they have the backing they need to do a good job? Maybe our fans' representatative will tell us!

Spot on the guy lead everyone down the garden path saying he was leaving, to get fans off his back, as for the pitch we have had bad weather but its amazing how many other grounds are like bowling greens still, mind you its the least of our problems now, staying in this division until this man has gone will be an achievement.Hust have called him out before the season has started knowing once again the standard of players brought in will be questionable. When do prices stop goung up will fans pay 30 quid in 5 years time, to watch sub standard players, giving very little?

No sell off and no takeover.
Been said before that somehow he draws a wage from the club.
I wudent rule it out.
Did the cup moneys clear the debt?.
Absolute disgrace how our club has disintegrated so rapidly.
And that ain't down to injuries n dodgy referees.
Morning Snowy :animals-dogrun:

keep it civilised.

Morning to you too Mr Chuckles, what’s up the bed catch fire…..?
See you’ve been having nightmares all night, I blame the old Aurora Boremestiffuss….makes you green with envy :laugh:

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9107

Snowy wrote:

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

PTID wrote:

I'd say a lot of the criticism is at least partially justified, but to criticise the state of the pitch and the groundstaff, really? I don't know about anyone else but my garden with is normally reasonably tidy has been like a paddy field since August last year, managed to get the lawnmower on it for the first time since September just last week? How on earth did they think the pitch would escape the weather?
Anyway, the point I'm making is that whatever relationship there was between the club and HUST must surely be damaged significantly by such a provocative official statement.
And these people want an interest in running the club, I wouldn't let them run a shoeshine stall.

HUST has spent the last 6 years trying to engage with the club under Raj Singh's ownership. For 5 1/2 years their tone was very respectful, pointing out the benefits of fan involvement and seeking to raise money to justify a seat at the table. Last year, when Raj spat out his dummy (not for the first time) because other fans objected to the team they support being in freefall, HUST took him at his word when he said he wanted to sell up and tried to set up a consortium to buy the club. The thanks they got was a "provocative official statement" rubbishing their efforts.

For the minute (and nobody has a clue how long this particular minute will last) Raj is carrying on. He has appointed his own "fans' representative" who has already shown that he is as cack-handed at communicating with the actual fans as he is himself. Meanwhile, HUST wouldn't be doing its job if it didn't continue to pass comment on matters of concern to the fan base like the season ticket increase, "the lack of investment and short-term thinking... Heavy use of the loan system to cover for a squad that lacks depth...The financial burden of the managerial churn..." How much of that isn't true?

As for the pitch, every other club in the NL has had the same weather (or worse) than North-East England this winter, but a number of visiting managers have gone out of their way to criticise the state of it. Is a new pitch being laid this summer? That used to happen quite regularly. Do we know if our groundstaff think they have the backing they need to do a good job? Maybe our fans' representatative will tell us!

Spot on the guy lead everyone down the garden path saying he was leaving, to get fans off his back, as for the pitch we have had bad weather but its amazing how many other grounds are like bowling greens still, mind you its the least of our problems now, staying in this division until this man has gone will be an achievement.Hust have called him out before the season has started knowing once again the standard of players brought in will be questionable. When do prices stop goung up will fans pay 30 quid in 5 years time, to watch sub standard players, giving very little?

No sell off and no takeover.
Been said before that somehow he draws a wage from the club.
I wudent rule it out.
Did the cup moneys clear the debt?.
Absolute disgrace how our club has disintegrated so rapidly.
And that ain't down to injuries n dodgy referees.
Morning Snowy :animals-dogrun:

keep it civilised.

Morning to you too Mr Chuckles, what’s up the bed catch fire…..?
See you’ve been having nightmares all night, I blame the old Aurora Boremestiffuss….makes you green with envy :laugh:

Keep the compliments coming matey.
Always a pleasure.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 1107

PTID wrote:

The only thing we know about the state of the pitch is what's in front of our eyes. We dint know anything at all about if the budget fir the pitch maintenance has been cut do we?

Dave had 2 qualified assistants working with him on the pitch. They have gone now and replaced with 1 unpaid unqualified volunteer.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

Dustin Gee wrote:

PTID wrote:

The only thing we know about the state of the pitch is what's in front of our eyes. We dint know anything at all about if the budget fir the pitch maintenance has been cut do we?

Dave had 2 qualified assistants working with him on the pitch. They have gone now and replaced with 1 unpaid unqualified volunteer.

They’ll be getting the Council to cut the grass next

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 1107

Nah...the Council would charge.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19222

PTID wrote:

None of us know the standard of player we'll be bringing in though do we? Also we could sign a load from the divisions above who've performed very well elsewhere but could turn out to be duff.
To be criticising future signings before they've even been signed let alone kicked a ball for us is strange indeed!

but 20 quid either way isn,t going to make the difference in who we actually sign.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19222

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

Unfortunately nothing comes to mind, would help if he was more transparent with what he wanted money wise, I suspect there is a huge disconnect between what he can realistically get and what he thinks he is entitled to, and it’s only getting wider

think that sums it up. he,d sell to anybody if they offered him silly money or would also work with anybody willing to plough money into the club as long as he had the final decision and still own 51% of the club.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19222

Snowy wrote:

Dustin Gee wrote:

PTID wrote:

The only thing we know about the state of the pitch is what's in front of our eyes. We dint know anything at all about if the budget fir the pitch maintenance has been cut do we?

Dave had 2 qualified assistants working with him on the pitch. They have gone now and replaced with 1 unpaid unqualified volunteer.

They’ll be getting the Council to cut the grass next

do not laugh as we would not be the first club doing that.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4403

Dustin Gee wrote:

PTID wrote:

The only thing we know about the state of the pitch is what's in front of our eyes. We dint know anything at all about if the budget fir the pitch maintenance has been cut do we?

Dave had 2 qualified assistants working with him on the pitch. They have gone now and replaced with 1 unpaid unqualified volunteer.

Ah so its not just down to the weather as we all thought?

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 4001

It's an absolute and indisputable fact that the weather has affected most sports grounds since the back end of last summer is it not?
Mr Gees statement may or may not be true but just because he says it is doesn't make it so. And as for opposing managers complaining about our pitch, I'd have thought the 1st to complain would be our own manager a d I'd expect he'd be demanding improvement. Yet none of our managers have publicly blamed the pitch for our dire performances as far as I can remember.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4403

PTID wrote:

It's an absolute and indisputable fact that the weather has affected most sports grounds since the back end of last summer is it not?
Mr Gees statement may or may not be true but just because he says it is doesn't make it so. And as for opposing managers complaining about our pitch, I'd have thought the 1st to complain would be our own manager a d I'd expect he'd be demanding improvement. Yet none of our managers have publicly blamed the pitch for our dire performances as far as I can remember.

So every manager that comes here bemoans the pitch, we even have someone come on and says we have cut staff, most grounds in the football league where we came from are still like bowling greens.

Our managers in general wont say boo until they are sacked, kevin phillips worshipping the ground raj walked on thanking him for all his great signings until he was let go. Graeme lee the same until he was sacked, then came out and said well actually we train on 3g its creating injuries. Craig Hignett the same then goes on the radio during a match and says you wouldnt believe some of the things that go on at this club.The whole club has been run down, the standard of players, the league we are now in, the standard of our scouting if we have any, the pitch, criticised weekly, not heard anyone come out and say actually its the weather we have had. Cant help thats for sure but grounds are that good now 95 percent can cope easily with it.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6941

Snowy wrote:

Dustin Gee wrote:

PTID wrote:

The only thing we know about the state of the pitch is what's in front of our eyes. We dint know anything at all about if the budget fir the pitch maintenance has been cut do we?

Dave had 2 qualified assistants working with him on the pitch. They have gone now and replaced with 1 unpaid unqualified volunteer.

They’ll be getting the Council to cut the grass next

Don,t give him ideas, Mind a think there is a farm outside Hart may loan a few sheep.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19222

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

PTID wrote:

It's an absolute and indisputable fact that the weather has affected most sports grounds since the back end of last summer is it not?
Mr Gees statement may or may not be true but just because he says it is doesn't make it so. And as for opposing managers complaining about our pitch, I'd have thought the 1st to complain would be our own manager a d I'd expect he'd be demanding improvement. Yet none of our managers have publicly blamed the pitch for our dire performances as far as I can remember.

So every manager that comes here bemoans the pitch, we even have someone come on and says we have cut staff, most grounds in the football league where we came from are still like bowling greens.

Our managers in general wont say boo until they are sacked, kevin phillips worshipping the ground raj walked on thanking him for all his great signings until he was let go. Graeme lee the same until he was sacked, then came out and said well actually we train on 3g its creating injuries. Craig Hignett the same then goes on the radio during a match and says you wouldnt believe some of the things that go on at this club.The whole club has been run down, the standard of players, the league we are now in, the standard of our scouting if we have any, the pitch, criticised weekly, not heard anyone come out and say actually its the weather we have had. Cant help thats for sure but grounds are that good now 95 percent can cope easily with it.

if you have a bad pitch then it should be an advantage to the home side by playing half their league games on it. getting the players and the tactics correct playing on it surely is the first thing to be looked into to make this advantage work. same as if we had a narrower pitch than the rest where there is less width to use and forming tactics to get round this fact.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2628

I'm sure I heard somewhere as well that in recent years we've stopped relaying the pitch each summer. This and other cuts I think point to its poorer condition of late. Its an even playing field football-wise yes but as a sign of even more decline in the club, well... it is a pretty clear one.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

Grayhoundend wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Dustin Gee wrote:

PTID wrote:

The only thing we know about the state of the pitch is what's in front of our eyes. We dint know anything at all about if the budget fir the pitch maintenance has been cut do we?

Dave had 2 qualified assistants working with him on the pitch. They have gone now and replaced with 1 unpaid unqualified volunteer.

They’ll be getting the Council to cut the grass next

Don,t give him ideas, Mind a think there is a farm outside Hart may loan a few sheep.

The livestock wagon was outside the Vic this morning unloading the pitch maintenance team under the supervision of ‘Rod the Ram’ and as an added bonus we can sign a new player on the income from the fleeces and the odd casserole.
Win all round….. apart from pitch markings, putting the nets up and liquorice all sorts altered over the grass.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

Dustin Gee wrote:

Nah...the Council would charge.

Nah, collar the grass cutting squad out the back and give em a free ticket ( I’d want cash) :laugh:

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1271

We actually started last season like a house on fire but were quickly exposed with 2 or 3 key injuries. We had a good team, but a terrible squad.

I am one of the biggest criticisers of Raj’s reign and Pools in general of the past 4 years. But I do prefer Sarll over Phillips as a manager heading in to this year and I do think having a southern manager could broaden the recruitment horizons for us. We’re not going to be fancied by anyone - as always - but do fancy us a little bit more this time around if we see some proven NL through the door. Imagine Askey looking at the wage bill and his targets and realising he had Hastie as one of his highest earners. There’s actually none of that nonsense now, albeit I’d have kept Umerah as can see him having a belting season in NL next year when he gets fixed up. We also outbid Halifax for Mani D too and they had a solid enough season. There has to be some hope, the division really isn’t good. I’m sure we’re top 10 at least budget wise vs everybody in there this year.

Player churn over the years is a worry as I’ve consistently said. Bogle was released by Newport and reminded me he was yet another who came to Pools, did a bit, and then escaped the minute he could.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9107

accrington fan wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

Unfortunately nothing comes to mind, would help if he was more transparent with what he wanted money wise, I suspect there is a huge disconnect between what he can realistically get and what he thinks he is entitled to, and it’s only getting wider

think that sums it up. he,d sell to anybody if they offered him silly money or would also work with anybody willing to plough money into the club as long as he had the final decision and still own 51% of the club.

This sounds like his plan the 51% carry on!

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19222

and players like bogle who actually got worse and not better with even a short time at the club. crawford was the only player to show any improvement with us to get a free transfer after doing so.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 1107

PTID wrote:

It's an absolute and indisputable fact that the weather has affected most sports grounds since the back end of last summer is it not?
Mr Gees statement may or may not be true but just because he says it is doesn't make it so. And as for opposing managers complaining about our pitch, I'd have thought the 1st to complain would be our own manager a d I'd expect he'd be demanding improvement. Yet none of our managers have publicly blamed the pitch for our dire performances as far as I can remember.

It's 100% true PTID.
And BTW my lawns are looking cushy now after 4 cuts.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6941

Snowy wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Trouble is in life, it ain’t that easy.
I’ve worked under a few bastards in my time.
So you either adapt resentfully, like I did, or jump ship because your worship or outright hatred makes not a jot of difference, you just become bitter.
That’s life.

Worked with a few meself, And some right C**** in football with Egos that defy rationale.
Its extremely frustrating and soul destroying (if you let it be)

One thing i will say is sit back and enjoy as best you can, Because unless Pools is a gold mine theres only 1 person losing money.
That puts a smile on my face, Because Pools will ALWAYS exist in my lifetime, And his minions will have nowhere to hide when hes gone.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2024 9:50 am

It will be pay as you go for me as i am not making any commitments just like the club appear to be making no commitments.
Its a results basis business for me.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6941

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I want him gone

He’s too thin skinned and doesn’t plan ahead properly, he gave it a good shot and deserves credit for the promo, but since then it’s turned to shit and his decisions seem more self centered and bizarre by the week

Come up with an idea to make him want to be gone and you've cracked it.

Unfortunately nothing comes to mind, would help if he was more transparent with what he wanted money wise, I suspect there is a huge disconnect between what he can realistically get and what he thinks he is entitled to, and it’s only getting wider

think that sums it up. he,d sell to anybody if they offered him silly money or would also work with anybody willing to plough money into the club as long as he had the final decision and still own 51% of the club.

This sounds like his plan the 51% carry on!

Or a right Carry On.

OR

Carry On Raj……….Has a ring to it don,t you think.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9107

Bluestreak wrote:

It will be pay as you go for me as i am not making any commitments just like the club appear to be making no commitments.
Its a results basis business for me.

Like I've said previously to stay anywhere near 4160 crowds from last season. We Gunna need to hit the ground running like last season BUT will have to stay there for the full season to not lose any support.
Suppose it's down to Recruitment as the number 1 factor.

Closeing the gap a tad on last season is just more failure but with a lot less fans.
Hopefully we at worst top 7.
Biggest thing for me is holding onto Mani n Grey.
Hopefully.
UTP.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3778

Carry on down the conference

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

Dustin Gee wrote:

PTID wrote:

It's an absolute and indisputable fact that the weather has affected most sports grounds since the back end of last summer is it not?
Mr Gees statement may or may not be true but just because he says it is doesn't make it so. And as for opposing managers complaining about our pitch, I'd have thought the 1st to complain would be our own manager a d I'd expect he'd be demanding improvement. Yet none of our managers have publicly blamed the pitch for our dire performances as far as I can remember.

It's 100% true PTID.
And BTW my lawns are looking cushy now after 4 cuts.

4 cuts

…have you struck bedrock yet?

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 1107

Twice a week in the last fortnight.

I've even got my own garden at work....a mini roundabout.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

Dustin Gee wrote:

Twice a week in the last fortnight.

I've even got my own garden at work....a mini roundabout.

Roundabout….? Don’t yer gat dizzy…
Bought our lass another lawn mower, to go with her collection’ since she left work she’s into Gardening and muggins gets the Donkey work…Green house, shed, pergola, summer house….I’m thinking of moving to the bottom of the Garden …not to mention pilgrimages to bloody Garden Centres :angry-tappingfoot:

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19222

Snowy wrote:

Dustin Gee wrote:

Twice a week in the last fortnight.

I've even got my own garden at work....a mini roundabout.

Roundabout….? Don’t yer gat dizzy…
Bought our lass another lawn mower, to go with her collection’ since she left work she’s into Gardening and muggins gets the Donkey work…Green house, shed, pergola, summer house….I’m thinking of moving to the bottom of the Garden …not to mention pilgrimages to bloody Garden Centres :angry-tappingfoot:

do not mention garden centres. one near me where they have a cafe and you needed a 20 quid note for pie, chips and peas and a cup of tea. more if you wanted the matchicotuachi type of froth they call coffee. could go down headland cafe for three days and have change for that. oh sorry they had a fancy menue and everything was locally sorced. the lidl down the road i,d guess. guess what we walked out but ours ears will be burning from the rest of the group.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Dustin Gee wrote:

Twice a week in the last fortnight.

I've even got my own garden at work....a mini roundabout.

Roundabout….? Don’t yer gat dizzy…
Bought our lass another lawn mower, to go with her collection’ since she left work she’s into Gardening and muggins gets the Donkey work…Green house, shed, pergola, summer house….I’m thinking of moving to the bottom of the Garden …not to mention pilgrimages to bloody Garden Centres :angry-tappingfoot:

do not mention garden centres. one near me where they have a cafe and you needed a 20 quid note for pie, chips and peas and a cup of tea. more if you wanted the matchicotuachi type of froth they call coffee. could go down headland cafe for three days and have change for that. oh sorry they had a fancy menue and everything was locally sorced. the lidl down the road i,d guess. guess what we walked out but ours ears will be burning from the rest of the group.

.

People flock to these places and queue up to chuck good money at them. It's not only the ridiculous amounts they charge for a cuppa and a bit of a snack, their products set you back a fair bit as well.

Places like Costa are the same. Two cups of coffee and a couple of biscuits and you struggle to get change out of a tenner and if you dare venture into cake or sandwich land you can double that.

People complain about their household bills but they can still find the money to visit these places.

A mate of mine likes frequenting these coffee shops and he did a quick addition and reckons he spends up to £1500 a year in them.

Makes a £20 increase in a ST look like real value.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9107

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Dustin Gee wrote:

Twice a week in the last fortnight.

I've even got my own garden at work....a mini roundabout.

Roundabout….? Don’t yer gat dizzy…
Bought our lass another lawn mower, to go with her collection’ since she left work she’s into Gardening and muggins gets the Donkey work…Green house, shed, pergola, summer house….I’m thinking of moving to the bottom of the Garden …not to mention pilgrimages to bloody Garden Centres :angry-tappingfoot:

do not mention garden centres. one near me where they have a cafe and you needed a 20 quid note for pie, chips and peas and a cup of tea. more if you wanted the matchicotuachi type of froth they call coffee. could go down headland cafe for three days and have change for that. oh sorry they had a fancy menue and everything was locally sorced. the lidl down the road i,d guess. guess what we walked out but ours ears will be burning from the rest of the group.

.

People flock to these places and queue up to chuck good money at them. It's not only the ridiculous amounts they charge for a cuppa and a bit of a snack, their products set you back a fair bit as well.

Places like Costa are the same. Two cups of coffee and a couple of biscuits and you struggle to get change out of a tenner and if you dare venture into cake or sandwich land you can double that.

People complain about their household bills but they can still find the money to visit these places.

A mate of mine likes frequenting these coffee shops and he did a quick addition and reckons he spends up to £1500 a year in them.

Makes a £20 increase in a ST look like real value.

Crazy world now.
Many years ago coffee n soft drinks used to be a lot cheaper than alcoholic drinks. Now there ain't much difference :angry-tappingfoot:

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19222

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

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do not mention garden centres. one near me where they have a cafe and you needed a 20 quid note for pie, chips and peas and a cup of tea. more if you wanted the matchicotuachi type of froth they call coffee. could go down headland cafe for three days and have change for that. oh sorry they had a fancy menue and everything was locally sorced. the lidl down the road i,d guess. guess what we walked out but ours ears will be burning from the rest of the group.

.

People flock to these places and queue up to chuck good money at them. It's not only the ridiculous amounts they charge for a cuppa and a bit of a snack, their products set you back a fair bit as well.

Places like Costa are the same. Two cups of coffee and a couple of biscuits and you struggle to get change out of a tenner and if you dare venture into cake or sandwich land you can double that.

People complain about their household bills but they can still find the money to visit these places.

A mate of mine likes frequenting these coffee shops and he did a quick addition and reckons he spends up to £1500 a year in them.

Makes a £20 increase in a ST look like real value.

Crazy world now.

yes, and the same people would not be seen dead in a place that gives you real value for money and you come out of it full inside your guts and pocket. only because its not fancy inside or it might be ready for a paint job. if they were loaded you would not mind but they are not and most likely ones who are look more into getting value for money as its how they got their bank balence in the first place. remember when debenhams in the boro was open where they were sat to be seen in a window seat paying over a tenner for a slick of cake and a fancy coffee just to be seen.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36831

You see people clutching their branded coffee cups parading themselves as though anyone with half a brain is impressed….not so much a beverage ….. more a fashion statement by the gullible.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6941

IF the pitch is going to be relaid, Pictures will be on the other the OS like other seasons, Surely!

If anyone actually believes Raj has the best interests of the Club/Supporters at heart, They need their heads looking at.
Maybe he should have done DD on his buddies.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12327

Snowy wrote:

You see people clutching their branded coffee cups parading themselves as though anyone with half a brain is impressed….not so much a beverage ….. more a fashion statement by the gullible.

Precisely. Look at me I'm one of those arseholes who waits ages for some barista to make me a coffee with the firms name on it, charges me a small fortune for the privilege of parading said name through the streets to make me look fashionable. As I say...arsehole.
He'll probably have The Guardian tucked under his arm as well.

Now who has suddenly sprang to mind. :laugh:

HUST comment on season ticket increase

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