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 Post subject: Re: Should Askey go
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:53 am 
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Wonder if the old timer crew. still wanna carry on with this stupendous chairman n keep on licking his arse.
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Well you had plenty of experience with that when your hero was here, do tell us how it works and the drawbacks…?
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I think Askey has run his course, the reasons we are in this situation are beyond me, but the only one who can change things now is a new manager in charge ….because I don’t wanna fly ‘Askey Air’ any more, because we just ain’t gonna reach our journeys end on this showing.
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Who's moronic idea, after pinching the lead, was it to run down the clock with 8 minutes to go? We had the ball in their box with defenders out of position and Crawford took it back out to the corner flag where we lost possession! Conceding that stupid free kick that led to their equaliser, leaving a man free at the back post to set it up?
We had no right to have taken even a point from that performance, but these players need to take responsibility for chucking 2 points away at the end of the day.


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Who's moronic idea, after pinching the lead, was it to run down the clock with 8 minutes to go? We had the ball in their box with defenders out of position and Crawford took it back out to the corner flag where we lost possession! Conceding that stupid free kick that led to their equaliser, leaving a man free at the back post to set it up?
We had no right to have taken even a point from that performance, but these players need to take responsibility for chucking 2 points away at the end of the day.

It appears some players don’t know their trade or just can’t be arsed….very unprofessional.

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I think it is fair to say that all those involved in and currently operating the football side of things - including Raj - are plumbing new depths for Hartlepool United. Take ‘doom and gloom prophecies’ out of it - the reality is - we’re shit and have been since DC left. True leadership is taking accountability when things go wrong, and I’m afraid everybody from the chairman, down to the manager and his coaching staff, through to the players need to hold their hands up and say they’ve let the football club - and its rich history and name - down. Finding new ways to lose. ‘Don’t embarrass the club’ - they’ve managed it on at least 5 occasions already this year. As I said on another thread, it’s like a poor performing corporate business with a terrible culture, that’s hartlepool right now. Acceptance of mediocrity and failure. Everybody needs to step up and raise the levels, and specially the players and manager.[/quote

Things are absolutely dire at the minute it's true, but HUFC's "rich history"? Run that by me again? Are you referring to the record number of successful re-election applications, or the fact that we've never won a league title, or that we've never gone further than the 4th round of the FA Cup? We've never beaten Ebbsfleet in 7 attempts - is that rich enough?



Never played at Wembley either

NO to sacking the manager - changes nothing other than adding more uncertainty and more expense of paying off more staff. Realistically not going to get anyone better qualified/ experienced to take over the reins. A new manager would then want his own staff, players etc.

Askey has a team / squad that is mainly his, though has been severely hampered by injuries this season. The defensive frailties are obviously something he is addressing, though was an issue long before he arrived. Think we can make a proper judgement about him once the majority of injuries are back playing. Not sure he can be held solely responsible for the thinness of the squad.

As I've said previously - a top half finish and a trip to Wembley in the FAT would be a good season of consolidation for me.

We can then rebuild the rest of the team / squad once the legacy players contracts have expired. It would also be refreshing not have another management change during the season, and some continuity.

No doubt I'll be slated for holding such outrageous views- apologies in advance! bbolt


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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Our defensive frailties have been with us a lot longer than Askey has. He has done absolutely nothing to change that. By his own admission he can't get his players to follow what he wants then to do.
Any manager in any walk of life who finds himself in that situation has the glare of spotlights on his results.
Everything, according to the whingers, is Raj's fault because, according to them, Raj hasn't a clue.
Raj has backed the manager and has said he has every confidence in him but no criticism of that decision from the whingers. The reason for that seems strange but when one considers that keeping Askey suits the whingers agenda because they know that Askey is struggling but want to keep him to fulfil their doom and gloom prophesies.


What an utter load of cobblers, no manager will be succesful here now, even challinor was struggling, couldnt win away, having to sign mike fondop, what a joke that was by the way.

The whingers want us to stay up and move onto better things. Its the losers wanting us to plod on week after week losing to oxford city and dorking etc, sirry beibg a bit snobby here. Hiw do you kniw raj has backed the manager? Have you proof of the funds he has given him? Letting him bring in loads of lads who aint good enough is not backing a manager.


It appears I have hit a nerve.
So my post is utter load of cobblers
Let's look at it in detail.
I said our defensive frailties were with us before Askey arrived, Is that not true? Where is the cobblers in that pray?

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 Post subject: Re: Should Askey go
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Askey who doesnt like loans has had to resort to filling half the team with them, should tell us what we need to know about how bad things are.


Dont forget the free agents shite
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What happened to this better budget than DC got when the STs were on sale.
Wonder if the old timer crew. still wanna carry on with this stupendous chairman n keep on licking his arse.
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I think it is a fair assumption that when Ebbsfleet's second goal went in the biggest cheer came from you. You are one only one laughing here Kev. Try to hide your glee when we don't win, it's giving you away my son.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Askey go
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derwent wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Askey who doesnt like loans has had to resort to filling half the team with them, should tell us what we need to know about how bad things are.


Dont forget the free agents shite
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What happened to this better budget than DC got when the STs were on sale.
Wonder if the old timer crew. still wanna carry on with this stupendous chairman n keep on licking his arse.
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I think it is a fair assumption that when Ebbsfleet's second goal went in the biggest cheer came from you. You are one only one laughing here Kev. Try to hide your glee when we don't win, it's giving you away my son.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Askey go
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Does Raj and As key realise they are breaking my heart on a weekly basis please let us win a match


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A new manager will do what exactly ?

Askey did have us top of the league.

Even today we were missing Jameson, Hendry. Seaman, Lacy, Wallace, Mancini, Grey, Umerah you would say these are 1st team players no matter what you think of them its a fact.

So take any team no matter who Man U, Liverpool if they had this many 1st team injuries they would struggle just like we are.


This - though you forgot Dan Dodds. Even when we we were flying back in August it was obvious we had a decent first 11 and next to nothing in reserve. With normal luck we might have gone 2 or 3 months before the reality of a piss poor squad became so apparent, but we had no luck.

all correct. just what do people expect askey to do. one player back who was never going to do a full game. a new player in only to get 3 new injuries and a player going on the sick. he was totally correct in his post match rant about players lack of confidence and square pegs in round holes. we scored two goals by creating very few chances and our defence actually did not do that bad. it was a midfield joke that cost us yesterday and no more. possibly the comment made to me in the bogs summed it up after we got our second. one of the strangest ever games at the vic with dixon man of the match. hastie getting a possible winner and pools being totally lucky on the pitch. so lets sack askey and i suppose the new bloke will wave a magic wand and all by dan dodds will suddenly be fit to play and walk around with a confident swagger.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Askey go
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Does Raj and As key realise they are breaking my heart on a weekly basis please let us win a match

surely not as much as many of the players are. you,d have thought ebbsfleet were top 6 rather than bottom 6. its frightening to think with the same starting 11 out for the chesterfield game with dixon having a nightmare what the score will eventually be.


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Here we go again poor budget, poor budget, blah blah blah
There is no proof either way of what thevbudget is, there is no proof that Raj has any say whatsoever on which players are brought in, there is no proof that Raj dictates team selection, tactics, etc
There is proof that funds of some kind are available because we've brought in 2 loanees lately and given the perennial loser Featherstone new contract.
There is proof that we've done well at tomes with this Chairman, we got promoted on his watch.
The players and manager had 2 weeks to prepare for yesterday yet they looked as if they'd just met for the first time. Many of them have played recently at a higher level so the bargain basement argument doesn't wash.
Askeys preferred formation is supposed to be 433 so why hasn't he brought in players to play that instead of this persistence with a non existent midfield?
Raj can't be blamed for lack of effort, organisation, and passion on the pitch.


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In his interview Askey said they had prepared a certain system which had to be changed at the last minute with Gray being ill and Seaman getting injured in training. Thus square pegs in round holes. Clearly one of our many problems is never having a settled team so inevitably the players are struggling to put in a coherent performance with some individuals playing in two or three different positions in as many matches. I note Fergy ended as one of the Centre backs having started the game at Left Wing back. Yet another injury with Mattock going off. Askey has a growing band of critics but he has had the worst possible luck with injuries.


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Who's moronic idea, after pinching the lead, was it to run down the clock with 8 minutes to go? We had the ball in their box with defenders out of position and Crawford took it back out to the corner flag where we lost possession! Conceding that stupid free kick that led to their equaliser, leaving a man free at the back post to set it up?
We had no right to have taken even a point from that performance, but these players need to take responsibility for chucking 2 points away at the end of the day.


Even if we won that game PTID and we should have, would not have disguised such an inept performance. We where so off the pace it was frightening ! You would have thought it was a pre season friendly against a team who hadn’t won for 13 games


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Who's moronic idea, after pinching the lead, was it to run down the clock with 8 minutes to go? We had the ball in their box with defenders out of position and Crawford took it back out to the corner flag where we lost possession! Conceding that stupid free kick that led to their equaliser, leaving a man free at the back post to set it up?
We had no right to have taken even a point from that performance, but these players need to take responsibility for chucking 2 points away at the end of the day.


Even if we won that game PTID and we should have, would not have disguised such an inept performance. We where so off the pace it was frightening ! You would have thought it was a pre season friendly against a team who hadn’t won for 13 games

Agreed ……but never look a gift horse in the mouth…..if we’d won, points always come in.

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Snowy wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Wonder if the old timer crew. still wanna carry on with this stupendous chairman n keep on licking his arse.
:lol:

Well you had plenty of experience with that when your hero was here, do tell us how it works and the drawbacks…?
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Snowy wrote:
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Who's moronic idea, after pinching the lead, was it to run down the clock with 8 minutes to go? We had the ball in their box with defenders out of position and Crawford took it back out to the corner flag where we lost possession! Conceding that stupid free kick that led to their equaliser, leaving a man free at the back post to set it up?
We had no right to have taken even a point from that performance, but these players need to take responsibility for chucking 2 points away at the end of the day.

It appears some players don’t know their trade or just can’t be arsed….very unprofessional.


I only saw the second half, And to me can,t be arsed or don,t understand their roles even when apparently working on them for 2 weeks.

Higgnet commentating said they just were not doing what you would expect when losing possession.
Or when in possession, And changing formantion during the game seemed to confuse them.

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harrogatepoolie wrote:
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Who's moronic idea, after pinching the lead, was it to run down the clock with 8 minutes to go? We had the ball in their box with defenders out of position and Crawford took it back out to the corner flag where we lost possession! Conceding that stupid free kick that led to their equaliser, leaving a man free at the back post to set it up?
We had no right to have taken even a point from that performance, but these players need to take responsibility for chucking 2 points away at the end of the day.


Even if we won that game PTID and we should have, would not have disguised such an inept performance. We where so off the pace it was frightening ! You would have thought it was a pre season friendly against a team who hadn’t won for 13 games

over the 100 minutes played i can see no single reason why we should have won that game. we looked like the away side for most of the game and it looked like a smash and grab away game rather than a home game we threw 2 points away. really our second goal would have or should have been a consolation one that many fans would have missed.


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derwent wrote:
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Our defensive frailties have been with us a lot longer than Askey has. He has done absolutely nothing to change that. By his own admission he can't get his players to follow what he wants then to do.
Any manager in any walk of life who finds himself in that situation has the glare of spotlights on his results.
Everything, according to the whingers, is Raj's fault because, according to them, Raj hasn't a clue.
Raj has backed the manager and has said he has every confidence in him but no criticism of that decision from the whingers. The reason for that seems strange but when one considers that keeping Askey suits the whingers agenda because they know that Askey is struggling but want to keep him to fulfil their doom and gloom prophesies.


What an utter load of cobblers, no manager will be succesful here now, even challinor was struggling, couldnt win away, having to sign mike fondop, what a joke that was by the way.

The whingers want us to stay up and move onto better things. Its the losers wanting us to plod on week after week losing to oxford city and dorking etc, sirry beibg a bit snobby here. Hiw do you kniw raj has backed the manager? Have you proof of the funds he has given him? Letting him bring in loads of lads who aint good enough is not backing a manager.


It appears I have hit a nerve.
So my post is utter load of cobblers
Let's look at it in detail.
I said our defensive frailties were with us before Askey arrived, Is that not true? Where is the cobblers in that pray?


Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.


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I only saw the second half, And to me can,t be arsed or don,t understand their roles even when apparently working on them for 2 weeks.

Higgnet commentating said they just were not doing what you would expect when losing possession.
Or when in possession, And changing formantion during the game seemed to confuse them.

Or words to that effect.

when you are down to bare bones and really chucking a poor side onto the pitch with players out of there better positions that was bound to happen. if askey had just left things as they were he,d have got even more stick from fans. you could not make even a cheap plastic purse out of some of our sows ears.


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A new manager will do what exactly ?

Askey did have us top of the league.

Even today we were missing Jameson, Hendry. Seaman, Lacy, Wallace, Mancini, Grey, Umerah you would say these are 1st team players no matter what you think of them its a fact.

So take any team no matter who Man U, Liverpool if they had this many 1st team injuries they would struggle just like we are.


This - though you forgot Dan Dodds. Even when we we were flying back in August it was obvious we had a decent first 11 and next to nothing in reserve. With normal luck we might have gone 2 or 3 months before the reality of a piss poor squad became so apparent, but we had no luck.

all correct. just what do people expect askey to do. one player back who was never going to do a full game. a new player in only to get 3 new injuries and a player going on the sick. he was totally correct in his post match rant about players lack of confidence and square pegs in round holes. we scored two goals by creating very few chances and our defence actually did not do that bad. it was a midfield joke that cost us yesterday and no more. possibly the comment made to me in the bogs summed it up after we got our second. one of the strangest ever games at the vic with dixon man of the match. hastie getting a possible winner and pools being totally lucky on the pitch. so lets sack askey and i suppose the new bloke will wave a magic wand and all by dan dodds will suddenly be fit to play and walk around with a confident swagger.


Our defence was abysmal, As was Ebbsfleets attack.
They should have won the game comfortably.

Our defence was poor before Askey took over, But i think its fair to say it has not improved.
The first priority is to make ourselves difficuld to beat, If you can,t achieve that then the uphill struggle will continue.

And that free kick that the new lad gave away was an absolute joke.


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
derwent wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Our defensive frailties have been with us a lot longer than Askey has. He has done absolutely nothing to change that. By his own admission he can't get his players to follow what he wants then to do.
Any manager in any walk of life who finds himself in that situation has the glare of spotlights on his results.
Everything, according to the whingers, is Raj's fault because, according to them, Raj hasn't a clue.
Raj has backed the manager and has said he has every confidence in him but no criticism of that decision from the whingers. The reason for that seems strange but when one considers that keeping Askey suits the whingers agenda because they know that Askey is struggling but want to keep him to fulfil their doom and gloom prophesies.


What an utter load of cobblers, no manager will be succesful here now, even challinor was struggling, couldnt win away, having to sign mike fondop, what a joke that was by the way.

The whingers want us to stay up and move onto better things. Its the losers wanting us to plod on week after week losing to oxford city and dorking etc, sirry beibg a bit snobby here. Hiw do you kniw raj has backed the manager? Have you proof of the funds he has given him? Letting him bring in loads of lads who aint good enough is not backing a manager.


It appears I have hit a nerve.
So my post is utter load of cobblers
Let's look at it in detail.
I said our defensive frailties were with us before Askey arrived, Is that not true? Where is the cobblers in that pray?


Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.

Does Raj buy the players, train the players, decide formation and tactics…why would he need a manager if he does what you claim. sctatchinghead
Why not just come on and print RAJ OUT!!!…. It’ll save time and repetitive strain injury, because it’s what it boils down to every time with you.

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I fully agree we deserved nothing from the game, but having taken a late lead the manner in which we tried to defend it was shockingly naive.
Good performances from our keeper and Mani D who looked as if he'd done his hamstring at about 70 mins with no subs left. Massively e credit to him for running off what must have actually been a muscular injury and setting up the 2nd goal. Leagues top scorer in a team that creates very little.


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Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.

so when elon musk takes over pools what will the new gripe be. paying too much transfer fees and wages to the new era players and we could be doing better by paying out less by saying someone like halifax are doing as good as us paying peanuts.


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And that free kick that the new lad gave away was an absolute joke.

a bigger joke was before anyone scored was the room given to their no.15 who had the freedom of the vic down our right hand side that eventually lead to their first goal. johnson looked frightened of going out wide and wreh either could not be arsed to get back to cover or could see no danger in the first place. all this happened right infront of me that everyone else could see was going to happen.


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Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.

so when elon musk takes over pools what will the new gripe be. paying too much transfer fees and wages to the new era players and we could be doing better by paying out less by saying someone like halifax are doing as good as us paying peanuts.


Yeah totally agree should be no gripes now cos everything is going exceptionally well. We have lads joking on a thread were playing like a northern league side. Why on earth would anyone have a gripe now.


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Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.

so when elon musk takes over pools what will the new gripe be. paying too much transfer fees and wages to the new era players and we could be doing better by paying out less by saying someone like halifax are doing as good as us paying peanuts.


Yeah totally agree should be no gripes now cos everything is going exceptionally well. We have lads joking on a thread were playing like a northern league side. Why on earth would anyone have a gripe now.

think fans need to go back to before a ball was kicked to there predictions of where they thought pools would be now in the league or the end of the season. yesterday and the last few weeks are certainly not acceptable for fans but they need to find positives rather than total negatives about our future.


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And that free kick that the new lad gave away was an absolute joke.

a bigger joke was before anyone scored was the room given to their no.15 who had the freedom of the vic down our right hand side that eventually lead to their first goal. johnson looked frightened of going out wide and wreh either could not be arsed to get back to cover or could see no danger in the first place. all this happened right infront of me that everyone else could see was going to happen.


Askey said Johnson ended up at full back cos Seaman picked up a last minute injury, Johnson isnt a full back and I guess it showed. Wreh was on the wing because Grey became ill, so another square pig in a round hole. I did not see the match so wouldnt argue with thse who were there, just saying what Askey is quoted as saying in the online version of the Mail. He also said similiar in his post match interview on You Tube.


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Most professional footballers should be able to adapt to most positions (Goalkeeper excluded) and should be able to kick with both feet.

I learned to use both feet in my late teens and although I played in the "old" centre forward role, I was just at home playing in either full back position.

Although the general feeling is that the players are pretty poor, surely some proper coaching and not necessarily on set moves should vastly improve the team. I just ask myself is this being done?


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derwent wrote:
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Our defensive frailties have been with us a lot longer than Askey has. He has done absolutely nothing to change that. By his own admission he can't get his players to follow what he wants then to do.
Any manager in any walk of life who finds himself in that situation has the glare of spotlights on his results.
Everything, according to the whingers, is Raj's fault because, according to them, Raj hasn't a clue.
Raj has backed the manager and has said he has every confidence in him but no criticism of that decision from the whingers. The reason for that seems strange but when one considers that keeping Askey suits the whingers agenda because they know that Askey is struggling but want to keep him to fulfil their doom and gloom prophesies.


What an utter load of cobblers, no manager will be succesful here now, even challinor was struggling, couldnt win away, having to sign mike fondop, what a joke that was by the way.

The whingers want us to stay up and move onto better things. Its the losers wanting us to plod on week after week losing to oxford city and dorking etc, sirry beibg a bit snobby here. Hiw do you kniw raj has backed the manager? Have you proof of the funds he has given him? Letting him bring in loads of lads who aint good enough is not backing a manager.


It appears I have hit a nerve.
So my post is utter load of cobblers
Let's look at it in detail.
I said our defensive frailties were with us before Askey arrived, Is that not true? Where is the cobblers in that pray?


Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.


No answer to my question just more anti Raj waffle.
Read the statement Raj put out where he says he's backing Askey to deliver and we should get behind him. He gave the man a three year contract, is that not backing him. You're so obsessed with attacking Raj you are losing sight of reality. You are driving the man out of the club and at the same time demanding better players. He is keeping the club ticking over, whilst you are hounding him out without a tangible alternative, which everyone knows could mean the end of the club as we know it. That is your ambition, you just can't see it. You can't even see that the players are not giving their all for Askey, even though the man keeps telling us the players aren't following his instructions. You say no manager can work under Raj but DC got us promotion after Raj had put his faith in him and also backed him with a three year deal as a reward for his efforts, which DC was happy to sign only to renege on the deal before the ink was dry. At the moment Raj is all we've got. At the moment there isn't a queue forming on Clarence Rd to buy him out. That is the reality but you continue your hate campaign under the misguided notion that you are following your ambition to get the club to a better place, when the same reality points to a situation where the club could and probably would be in danger of oblivion. The only conclusion that we can arrive at is that is what you want. Were you also clapping when the second equaliser went in yesterday.

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Most professional footballers should be able to adapt to most positions (Goalkeeper excluded) and should be able to kick with both feet.

I learned to use both feet in my late teens and although I played in the "old" centre forward role, I was just at home playing in either full back position.

Although the general feeling is that the players are pretty poor, surely some proper coaching and not necessarily on set moves should vastly improve the team. I just ask myself is this being done?

There is always a limit to how good any coaching is going to make a player better. you are more or less what you are and even the ones we say are lazy actually think they have contributed well to the side. think there are very few players who can do more than a couple of jobs on the pitch and its equally as rare seeing a right sided player good there being equally succesful on the right no matter what their preferred foot is even if they are two footed. doubt there are many especially at our level competant with both feet even if they are classified as being two footed.


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Askey said Johnson ended up at full back cos Seaman picked up a last minute injury, Johnson isnt a full back and I guess it showed. Wreh was on the wing because Grey became ill, so another square pig in a round hole. I did not see the match so wouldnt argue with thse who were there, just saying what Askey is quoted as saying in the online version of the Mail. He also said similiar in his post match interview on You Tube.

it was always going to be difficult filling that right sided defensive roll with what we had got available. would have preffered johnson as a young inexperianced player to have been kept in his peffered position and hanging one of the experianced lads out to dry. as for wreh, a player who had shown little, should have made way for hastie who at least would be playing in the position we signed him to play in. the end result and how we played might have been the same but for me there was a couple of better options than we did use.


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Askey who doesnt like loans has had to resort to filling half the team with them, should tell us what we need to know about how bad things are.


Dont forget the free agents shite
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What happened to this better budget than DC got when the STs were on sale.
Wonder if the old timer crew. still wanna carry on with this stupendous chairman n keep on licking his arse.
:lol:


I think it is a fair assumption that when Ebbsfleet's second goal went in the biggest cheer came from you. You are one only one laughing here Kev. Try to hide your glee when we don't win, it's giving you away my son.


So wrong sir. refred


I don't think it is as wrong as you referring to people on here as Raj arse lickers. Not wanting to hound him out before a tangible replacement is ready and willing to take over isn't arse licking old chum, its common sense rather than arse licking.

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Wonder if the old timer crew. still wanna carry on with this stupendous chairman n keep on licking his arse.
:lol:

Well you had plenty of experience with that when your hero was here, do tell us how it works and the drawbacks…?
Thank you for your touching concern, but we’re big boys who’ve seen it all before and don’t panic.
Nobody dies.


Stockport 1st in division 4
Wrexham 2nd.
Oh well what could of been.

Reckon my tongue is in a lot better condition than yours bbolt :lol:

All that money and that’s all the investors got…. :roll:

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I don't think it is as wrong as you referring to people on here as Raj arse lickers. Not wanting to hound him out before a tangible replacement is ready and willing to take over isn't arse licking old chum, its common sense rather than arse licking.

That’s logic Mr D….it’s like Kryptonite to them, drives them crazy like common sense does. :shock: :shock: :shock:
You’re dealing with people who would set fire to their own houses, watch the fire, throw petrol on at regular intervals and stand next to the embers…just to get rid of a mouse under the floor boards. :dance: :dance: :uhoh: :oops:
Then blame the mouse when the insurance company rejects their claim. banghead

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Wonder if the old timer crew. still wanna carry on with this stupendous chairman n keep on licking his arse.
:lol:

Well you had plenty of experience with that when your hero was here, do tell us how it works and the drawbacks…?
Thank you for your touching concern, but we’re big boys who’ve seen it all before and don’t panic.
Nobody dies.


Stockport 1st in division 4
Wrexham 2nd.
Oh well what could of been.

Reckon my tongue is in a lot better condition than yours bbolt :lol:

All that money and that’s all the investors got…. :roll:


For now excellent return. Longer term probably 5 divisions above Pools.
Ya takeing the piss outa success now.
Rewind to promotion. DC said i wanna take Pools to the next level now league one.
The foundations were there for sure.
But your hero didn't wanna know. Thats why we sharply dipped inti Oblivion.

No doubt ya will come back with ya usual Wordtwistery which at times will probably confuse yourself.
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derwent wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
derwent wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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Our defensive frailties have been with us a lot longer than Askey has. He has done absolutely nothing to change that. By his own admission he can't get his players to follow what he wants then to do.
Any manager in any walk of life who finds himself in that situation has the glare of spotlights on his results.
Everything, according to the whingers, is Raj's fault because, according to them, Raj hasn't a clue.
Raj has backed the manager and has said he has every confidence in him but no criticism of that decision from the whingers. The reason for that seems strange but when one considers that keeping Askey suits the whingers agenda because they know that Askey is struggling but want to keep him to fulfil their doom and gloom prophesies.


Your obsessed with trying to defend him. Clapping when the second one went in? Really? Get a grip, who on earth would clap a 95th minute equaliser . Its not me wanting us in the conference north while you and the other raj lovers darent criticise anything. Its not my fault or others that have made dreadful decisions over the past two years. I will once again say it raj is not the only one to blame, but now be blaminig askey is idiotic.
What an utter load of cobblers, no manager will be succesful here now, even challinor was struggling, couldnt win away, having to sign mike fondop, what a joke that was by the way.

The whingers want us to stay up and move onto better things. Its the losers wanting us to plod on week after week losing to oxford city and dorking etc, sirry beibg a bit snobby here. Hiw do you kniw raj has backed the manager? Have you proof of the funds he has given him? Letting him bring in loads of lads who aint good enough is not backing a manager.


It appears I have hit a nerve.
So my post is utter load of cobblers
Let's look at it in detail.
I said our defensive frailties were with us before Askey arrived, Is that not true? Where is the cobblers in that pray?


Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.


No answer to my question just more anti Raj waffle.
Read the statement Raj put out where he says he's backing Askey to deliver and we should get behind him. He gave the man a three year contract, is that not backing him. You're so obsessed with attacking Raj you are losing sight of reality. You are driving the man out of the club and at the same time demanding better players. He is keeping the club ticking over, whilst you are hounding him out without a tangible alternative, which everyone knows could mean the end of the club as we know it. That is your ambition, you just can't see it. You can't even see that the players are not giving their all for Askey, even though the man keeps telling us the players aren't following his instructions. You say no manager can work under Raj but DC got us promotion after Raj had put his faith in him and also backed him with a three year deal as a reward for his efforts, which DC was happy to sign only to renege on the deal before the ink was dry. At the moment Raj is all we've got. At the moment there isn't a queue forming on Clarence Rd to buy him out. That is the reality but you continue your hate campaign under the misguided notion that you are following your ambition to get the club to a better place, when the same reality points to a situation where the club could and probably would be in danger of oblivion. The only conclusion that we can arrive at is that is what you want. Were you also clapping when the second equaliser went in yesterday.


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For now excellent return. Longer term probably 5 divisions above Pools.
Ya takeing the piss outa success now.
Rewind to promotion. DC said i wanna take Pools to the next level now league one.
The foundations were there for sure.
But your hero didn’t want to know

No doubt ya will come back with ya usual Wordtwistery which at times will probably confuse yourself.

Of course…but I won’t be half as confused as your logic…now.if I remember rightly your Hero rode off into the sunset after signing a three year contract when his Stockport backer tinned up.
The ‘foundations’ had already been signed up before we gained promotion by people with lots more money. The players had a chance of moving up into the football league and we weren’t certain of promotion, unfortunate, but you can’t go giving out new contracts on the possibility of promotion….we’ll you can if it’s not your money.
Now unless you sat in on the negotiations with DC and Raj and DC and the Pied Piper of Stockport how can you possibly say what happened.
Armstrong was never our player, his fate was decided by Salford and we were competing against a sugar daddy, unpalatable to some but’s dreams against reality, but that’s life.

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DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.


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There we go again do you know that is a fact?


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There we go again do you know that is a fact?


He got it from a random stats website. But that's reliable info isn't it????


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I think we need a state of play you tube podcast from DC.
That would be very interesting.


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DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.

Behave, why don’t you just go the full hog and apply for a Sainthood..or sponsor a stain glass window in the club showing his holiness coming down to Earth on a shaft of celestial sunlight clutching a football, to perform a miracle…every time I hear that fable about the contract I yawn yawn1

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DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.


And you overheard the "Gentleman's" conversation did you.
Will you stop at nothing in your campaign to hound Raj out.
You make things up on a daily basis whilst driving the club over the cliff with your fantasies and fairy tales.
You are doing your level best to destroy our club without the slightest hint of shame or remorse.
You want Raj to walk away just to be able to say I told you so without any consideration of where you are driving the club.
Why else would you behave in such a fashion.

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DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.


And you overheard the "Gentleman's" conversation did you.
Will you stop at nothing in your campaign to hound Raj out.
You make things up on a daily basis whilst driving the club over the cliff with your fantasies and fairy tales.
You are doing your level best to destroy our club without the slightest hint of shame or remorse.
You want Raj to walk away just to be able to say I told you so without any consideration of where you are driving the club.
Why else would you behave in such a fashion.


A bit like chainsawing your legs off to get a blue badge for parking.

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Did I claim a stats website was fact? But there's plenty of similar sites all giving the same ball park figures when comparing div 2 teams budgets.
There's absolutely nothing ever been reported about DC signing a contract so that Pools would get compo that Raj allegedly pocketed. In fact before he signed the contract he went public about how badly off he was so why if he was so disillusioned with the club would he do us a favour? And after hev left his missus posted a really critical rant about what avshit house of a club we were and what a that Raj was. So why do us / Raj such a huge favour?


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derwent wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.


And you overheard the "Gentleman's" conversation did you.
Will you stop at nothing in your campaign to hound Raj out.
You make things up on a daily basis whilst driving the club over the cliff with your fantasies and fairy tales.
You are doing your level best to destroy our club without the slightest hint of shame or remorse.
You want Raj to walk away just to be able to say I told you so without any consideration of where you are driving the club.
Why else would you behave in such a fashion.


Calm Derwent.
Raj is not going to leave because of something Kevin has said, Or any of us for that matter.


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Most professional footballers should be able to adapt to most positions (Goalkeeper excluded) and should be able to kick with both feet.

I learned to use both feet in my late teens and although I played in the "old" centre forward role, I was just at home playing in either full back position.


I'd love to think you're joking with that comment but unfortunately I know you're not :lol: - professional footballers who are able to adapt to most positions (Goalkeeper excluded :lol: ) are a pretty a rare breed and have been ever since Paul Madeley of Leeds was lauded as the best 'utility player' in the old Division One. These days it'd be James Milner.


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DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.


And you overheard the "Gentleman's" conversation did you.
Will you stop at nothing in your campaign to hound Raj out.
You make things up on a daily basis whilst driving the club over the cliff with your fantasies and fairy tales.
You are doing your level best to destroy our club without the slightest hint of shame or remorse.
You want Raj to walk away just to be able to say I told you so without any consideration of where you are driving the club.
Why else would you behave in such a fashion.


Calm Derwent.
Raj is not going to leave because of something Kevin has said, Or any of us for that matter.


Neither you nor I know that to be a fact.

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Everything is rajs fault? it isnt? He is the big boss though buck stops ar rhe top man. You say he has backed the manager? With what? Low quality sub standard players, if thats backing then yes guess he is backing managers. You say keeping askey justifies the whinhers, him walking and another poor soul coming in probobly would though, then some may once again see no manager can work under this man.

so when elon musk takes over pools what will the new gripe be. paying too much transfer fees and wages to the new era players and we could be doing better by paying out less by saying someone like halifax are doing as good as us paying peanuts.


If Elon Musk took over the players workrate would double overnight, Money to be made.


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