We have barely kept our heads above water because our crowds were shit. Things have changed over the last 5 years we now look like we have a hardcore of almost 3500 in the national league and about 4200 to 4500 in the football league probobly double what we used to get or declared. That has got to be helping massively. Pools as a club has moved on the slightest bit of investment or decent results this club would take off.

Without knowing the details and conditions of loans any investment may have to be used 1st to pay off creditors.
I totally agree we're a club who are massively underachieving but that's not entirely due to lack of investment, we need good management and coaching, a squad of players who actually care enough to put it on the line every game for us. I think it's fair to say that none of those are in abundance at the moment.

Just need to flick through the history of pools to show its been a constant struggle at the club apart from a few short years. loss of money most seasons. a few memorable good players with crap we quickly forgot about. really what god given right is there to expect better all of a sudden. we have been a musical hall joke of a team over the years and as a club they do not really deserve support of so many whose life revolves around the success or failure of the club.

given the situation at the club just how is it underachieving. just because we are getting bigger crowds than most of the others does not guarentee any success. since relegation from division 1 we have been practising for the situation we are now in with just the blip of a promotion to slow it down. its been like a sexless marriage for years with just a year of hope in it.

What i mean is £800,000 in the yearly running costs is small, I would bet that way and above that amount has been wasted on Contracts (players/managers)

Losing it, Who mentioned losing it.
Thats totally differant

You can,t just go out and spend that £800,000 that would be reckless.

Understand what youre saying Snowy, The £800.000 figure was not my quote.

I would rather divorce and start again. Risky but this is no life.

Billy
I can see where you are coming from and can understand your frustrations just like all of us, WE are in this togeather.

Here,s another IF what if Dodds, ManiC and Cooke had remained fit, Where would we be now.
We could a well off club but still have the same rotten luck, Football can be oh so cruel and we are all feeling it now.
But remember the most important thing, We are all Poolies.

we would still be struggling to keep clean sheets and winning games away though. the brightside would be better performances and wins at the vic. cooke is just another that shines only if the team is playing well and winning. thats one of the problems or the main one. too many two different players depending how the games are going.

Sorry mate, never meant to imply it was.

Behave, if we’d had that attitude in the 70’s we’d have been a non league club for 50+ years and looking forward to the derby game against Marske.
We’re going through a bit of turbulence, you hold your nose, keep the sick bag close and come out of it eventually. Panic and you’re lost.

I don't think harking back to the 70s is a particularly useful thing to do right now. This isn't turbulence, we've been losing altitude for years.

Dead right about the gates Billy. Over the last five years is right as well.
Who has been the owner/Chairman over that period? Whoever he is do you think we should support his tenure, especially when he enabled the club to continue existing before he created the increase in revenue. It now appears that his priority is reducing the debt to increase the solvency of the club. Not a bad CV that.

Are you serious? I've never known a more humiliating time to be a Pools fan, a so called big club in the lower leagues. Lets see whats on Rajs CV

Not one but TWO relegations out of the league
Graeme Lee apponted
Keith Curle appointed
THE WHOLE ENTIRE SHIT SHOW THAT WAS THE PAUL HARTLEY ERA.
I don't hold him blame free from this squad getting smashed by pub sides every week, cant keep a clean sheet and out of the cup before it even starts.

I could go on but at this stage I think Raj should go back to what he's good at.

You could add a promotion and a good cup run……
And the absolute desecration of another former league club.

Seriously derwent have you seen what a mess were in? Not all raj has done has been bad lets get that right.. But what a royal fuck up this last two years have been. He got them crowds because of covid, the lower league love in which fans around the country seem to be taking in, not wanting to watch the premiership teams on millions anymore he got it by producing a half decent team also on the back of dave challinor who galvanised the fans. If raj singh is still the chairman in two years time where do you think we will be? Serious question?

Your clinging to any sliver under this man we are on a massive slide even 45 minutes against rochdale must tell you that. Oxford should of been a huge wake up call, think they are bottom now what was to come if we didnt take the situation serious. When does the wake up call actually hit when were getting battered in the conference north. We will probobly get told by some then oh we cant compete with the likes of money bags farsley celtic or peterbrough sports as we tread more water.

Its gone past humiliating like poolie imp has said its now an expected thing week in week out.

No he wont listen to that because raj had no part in it. Ruined two football clubs takes some doing that on your cv.

The absolute desecration of Darlo was started by Reynolds when he left Feethams for the White Elephant. Pools aren't desecrated but we were close to it until Raj stepped in and prevented it. The biggest thing the 21/22 mini accounts show us that we are better off financially than we were when Raj took over. We are reducing debts not increasing them and showed a healthy bank balance. He has admitted he has made mistakes over the footballing side of things. especially with the appointment of Hartley but the experts on here didn't spot it either. Giving out longer contracts are proving to be the big hindrance on progress but the experts complained that we didn't tie players down enough. Like somebody else said the guy can't win. When attendance figures go up it is because of covid, when they go down it is because of Raj. When the club makes a profit no one has give him any credit but bash him instead because he hasn't spent the money as the experts see fit. When we are winning everybody gets the credit except Raj, when we lose Raj gets the stick. When we brought Mancini in no mention of Raj. When Mancini gets injured Raj gets stick for not opening the safe to replace him. The list is endless.

Ask yourselves what's the biggest priority, improving performances and results on the pitch or a change of ownership?
No brainer for me, and even if you do actually blame Raj for the infield failures a change of ownership guarantees nothing in terms of what's important, ie points.
I keep saying this I know, but getting more out of these players is an absolute must because we aren't going to be bringing in 16 or so new ones even if the Aga Khan buys us out tomorrow.

Building a good team takes more than throwing money at the best individuals around, look at where that took the mighty Leeds for instance.
Even under good owners we've had many years of barely keeping our heads above water. In my near 60 years of being a Poolie I think IOR are the only ones who been able to chuck money at us. I would imagine it's highly likely that our next owners will be able / want to do the same.[/quote]

We have barely kept our heads above water because our crowds were shit. Things have changed over the last 5 years we now look like we have a hardcore of almost 3500 in the national league and about 4200 to 4500 in the football league probobly double what we used to get or declared. That has got to be helping massively. Pools as a club has moved on the slightest bit of investment or decent results this club would take off.[/quote]

Dead right about the gates Billy. Over the last five years is right as well.
Who has been the owner/Chairman over that period? Whoever he is do you think we should support his tenure, especially when he enabled the club to continue existing before he created the increase in revenue. It now appears that his priority is reducing the debt to increase the solvency of the club. Not a bad CV that.[/quote]

Are you serious? I've never known a more humiliating time to be a Pools fan, a so called big club in the lower leagues. Lets see whats on Rajs CV

Not one but TWO relegations out of the league
Graeme Lee apponted
Keith Curle appointed
THE WHOLE ENTIRE SHIT SHOW THAT WAS THE PAUL HARTLEY ERA.
I don't hold him blame free from this squad getting smashed by pub sides every week, cant keep a clean sheet and out of the cup before it even starts.

I could go on but at this stage I think Raj should go back to what he's good at.[/quote]

You could add a promotion and a good cup run……
And the absolute desecration of another former league club.[/quote]
The absolute desecration of Darlo was started by Reynolds when he left Feethams for the White Elephant. Pools aren't desecrated but we were close to it until Raj stepped in and prevented it. The biggest thing the 21/22 mini accounts show us that we are better off financially than we were when Raj took over. We are reducing debts not increasing them and showed a healthy bank balance. He has admitted he has made mistakes over the footballing side of things. especially with the appointment of Hartley but the experts on here didn't spot it either. Giving out longer contracts are proving to be the big hindrance on progress but the experts complained that we didn't tie players down enough. Like somebody else said the guy can't win. When attendance figures go up it is because of covid, when they go down it is because of Raj. When the club makes a profit no one has give him any credit but bash him instead because he hasn't spent the money as the experts see fit. When we are winning everybody gets the credit except Raj, when we lose Raj gets the stick. When we brought Mancini in no mention of Raj. When Mancini gets injured Raj gets stick for not opening the safe to replace him. The list is endless.[/quote]



100% agree Mr Derwent, some of the posters don’t appear to realise what Singh did, he rescued Pools, with out we would might not exist and if we did it would in some lower league where we probably couldn’t afford to pay the rent to the council, then what ?

For crying out loud.

But Raj saaaaaved uuuss!!!!

A new owner might be Beelzebub himself!!!!

Does that mean the club will never ever change hands again? Forever ever??

By the way, there were people on here who said this buffoonery was going on at the club when Hartley arrived but were dismissed on here. Seems some of those dismissers have forgotten their embarrassment.

Best you could say is we are surviving. Rubbing shoulders with pub sides and basket case former league clubs. Brilliant. What more could we ask for? Raj has a lot of improving to do if he stays. It would not bother me if he did.

Spot the pattern…..? It’s not hard, in fact it’s blatant.
The team on the pitch with the football version of schizophrenia and a manager who doesn’t appear to know wether he wants a shit, shave or a shampoo and yet meanwhile back at Bleak House, the watch committee bring up the state of the club’s finances, which apparently are sound…..so, just another chapter in the book of what shall beat Raj with this week?
Then the lunacy of of self sacrifice and start all over again, beyond parody.

YOU advocated dropping even further down the pyramid several posts back along with KeV, so who will we be rubbing shoulders with then? Get it together and avoid the contradictions.
If Raj did splash the cash you’d have the brass neck to say he was taking your advice and not even blush.

I’ve never been ‘humiliated’ being a Pools supporter, it’s plain your time ’supporting’ Pools has been for you.
There was a time before IOR, when life wasn’t so snug.

You could do with the 70’s fan experience…we were there when Pools were needing them ….not feeding them.
‘Entitled’ wasn’t in our vocabulary then.

To be fair my point was not everything that happens under him is bad.

How long has he been here now…if he was gonna scuttle the ship it would have long before now….I think he actually learned a lot from his Darlo experience, the hard way and it must be hard to take advice on how to spend your money from people who have no money to splash in the first place.

Clutching at straws old man. The time when I visited most of the 48 football league grounds I've been to supporting pools was pre-IOR.

Bang on but a tiny majority and it is thankfully think we should be eternally grateful for were we are now.
Wierd behavior.
Maybe failure is what turns them on.
Lets hope for more off these lovely defeats so we can TRY n ridicule the real fans who have had enough of this total messy implosion.
Very wierd indeed.

Give the ‘old man’ tosh a rest, when you resort to stuff like that you’ve lost the argument and reveal your own immaturity …..you just sort out your self trumpeted ‘humiliation’ of being a Pools ‘supporter’ ..a problem I’ve never had…or ever likely to have.
As for crowing, about how many football grounds you’ve visited what do want a chocolate biscuit, most people don’t need to, they just do it. Some ‘supporters’ want a medal and a pat on the head for doing what other fans just do.

Tiny minority
You mean the realistic majority.
As for ‘real fans’ ….coming on here after every setback like the cock that crowed and forgot to stop crowing after every setback is not the actions of ‘real fans’ even more so when the same shouty minority are strangely subdued as at the start of the season with grudging acknowledgement but doom laden forecasts.
As for ‘ridiculing ‘ anybody don’t you really mean you not liking or being able to accept alternative opinions that don’t back up your end of the world doom laden announcements.
The only problem is the minority who are obsessed with Raj and spend their time scurrying about like completely intolerable fault finders, know alls and grumblers with a complex ridden aversion to the Chairman and anyone not sharing their ‘world vision’.
Ah the joy of not having you burden.

I totally get the injury thing not sure cook will make the massive difference we think. But at the end of the day we knew we would get injuries and injuries are no excuse for 2 years of terrible results. I thought players were insured if they were injured so weres the suitable replacements?

I'd expect Featherstone will be getting at least as much as Mancini is on, and we've also brought in Agyemang, Hendrie, and Johnson so 3 out with injury and 4 in.

Aye Billy, Not trying to make excuses for miss management.
Just some wishfull thinking on my part.

According to radio Tees featherstone is on massively reduced terms,

Fair enough.

Raj is keeping the club afloat. Without him we would be gone. Have a close look at the accounts.

Not posted

Propaganda-bot alert.

Prove it……not easy is it.

Read the accounts

You prove it.

The answer is in the notes about it continuing as a going concern. The auditors have only allowed it to carry on because the chairman has guaranteed the funds to make it a going concern. If you don’t understand the accounts does accuse the man of not having the clubs best interests at heart

For Attention Of- Jamie -

Can you call for an end to this thread please?!

We've got 10 days until the next game v Ebbsfleet and having read the entrenched views from both sides, there are only so many times you can keep raking over the same coals, unless of course you've (not you personally Jamie) got a spare £5 million quid you need to sports wash.

Many thanks in anticipation
Regards

KP

I don’t need to. I’m not shooting from the hip or obsessed to the point where you think Raj is Darth Vader

Thanks KP. Just what we needed, a good patronising tone to cool tempers. Us kids will be just fine discussing the matter and will play nice. Thanks awfully Sir.

The presentation and interpretation of these accounts can be politicised in many different ways. If you are trumpeting any specific meaning, then you are being just that.... political.

You’re like a kids train set going round and round and round on the same old track, but oddly enough never bother with any other aspects of the club.
If you had any proof of anything you’d be screaming it from the rooftops, but you don’t, so what’s really driving this obsession….?

Calm down kids n Oaps its only a big ball game.
Ebbs fleet. We win this by 2 goals but it only papers over the cracks.
Then dip back into freefall.
Anyone still think the play offs are doable.