No pub crawl ……..but you can do a retail park crawl

might be a good idea to do an old york pub crawl and not bother with the match itself. anyone doing that and we win cuts the number down who are the jinx.

actually who were shocked at the final result yesterday. thats the problem it seems to have come as a shock result to some.

I get it, You mean someone like Challinor

Always remember him saying on camera, Lose and you lose your time off.
Or words to that effect.

still think challinor had a better squad of players to work with than askey got stuck with.

He had Oates and Armstrong to start with, tbh I can’t remember the rest of the squad who won at Bristol.

We had molyneux on the bench, that shows what sort of team we had. Its been downhill ever since they pissed off odusina and molyneux over wages. Harrogate went out showed some ambition with armstrong then got offered 500k, sometimes you just got to spend to accumulate.

Just love the way BP likes to spend other people’s money.

Harrogate signed Armstrong before we even knew which league we'd be in, so choice of guaranteed League footy compared to possible NL footy - no way could we have hehave signed him, remember he wasn't ours to lose in the first place.

You mean the money the fans also pump into the club, the sponsorship, tv money etc, you honestly think raj singh is putting a penny in now. Its ok though when we are in the conference north maybe more questions will be asked of this guy. Ruined one football club doing a great job on another now.

BuT hE SaVeD tHe ClUb

Do you not expect an owner to spend any money? Having said that, any money spent is probably shown as loans to the club to be recovered should a sale ever materialise.

Listen I totally get that certain people don't like to hear Raj bad mouthed as either

A. They claim boredom
B. They're scared he'll get upset and take his ball home
C. They don't see an alternative (very like Russians with Putin)
D. All of the above

But using managers as scapegoats doesn't work. It's nonsense. We haven't got enough quality in the squad. Either we put up until some contracts expire or Raj loosens the clubs purse strings.

Yes he actually did save the club…….. or were you attracted to noble alternative of playing much lower down the pyramid and would rather he didn’t ..no one else was throwing us a lifebelt…….get real.

You miss the point completely….you are creating your own scenarios …some people realise money is not unlimited, yet you talk blithely of spending other people’s money….. in the present financial climate any business ain’t gonna be moved the splash the cash to satisfy fantasy football armchair experts.
Managers, they get paid to do a job. They are happy to sign a contract and aren’t forced to sign at gunpoint, they don’t get results they go.
You are dreaming, I’m awake, it’s called the real world.

So you have access to the clubs financial records, how else could you come on making such claims, can you confirm that…or is it just ill informed supposition?

I know. My point is I don't think it puts him beyond criticism , there's no need to invent scapegoats for him and we don't need to perma-grovel.

When these players click they take some stopping.
Not consistent though.

He does have history.

Bingo.

Who’s grovelling? ..and who are the scapegoats….?
No one is beyond criticism, but constant unrelenting criticism of everything takes on the tone of obsession.
My attitude is simple……..if you’re in a rough sea, it’s rough, but it’s better than being in the sea and I’m grateful for the rolling pitching ship, but when I get back to port I want a transfer, but for now .I’m hanging on tight and hoping.
Moaning won’t change a thing, it’s out of my hands.

Give us it it then.

I'm pretty sure your last accounts showed that money loaned by Singhs holding company increased. The information will be available online somewhere.
Remember when he owned us he said "its my business, how can I be lending myself money?" and it ended up as yes he was lending himself money and he wanted it back......

No ….. facts, as in accounts. Being ‘pretty sure’ or ‘I’ve heard that….,’ are not what I need to see.

He is not beyond criticism, nobody is because nobody's perfect. Not you not me not Raj. I agree nothing should be invented about him. Nothing should be invented about anybody including Raj. As I have said over and over again, until somebody else comes along to take over from him he is all we've got. All the hatred directed at Raj has got us the fans nowhere. The only influence we have achieved is to annoy the man. He is keeping the club ticking over nothing more and we have no right to expect more. We all would like more, especially me but aggression will not achieve that as is being proved. We can criticise as much as we like but that gets us where exactly. If I thought all this hatred of the man was getting us somewhere I would join in. He could hang on for years if he so wished. He just might do that if the hounding of him continues as a sort of I'll show them scenario. What is to stop him. Someone has to appear who is prepared to make him an offer he can't refuse because I can't see any other scenario that's going to shift him. People talk about boycotting matches to starve him of revenue and all that will achieve is the further demise of the club due to the necessary cutbacks that he will say he is being forced to make, probably culminating in the folding of the club and he will turn round and say if the fans won't back the club then why should he. We all want more investment and yet by our behaviour we are getting less. We desperately need an interested party but until that happens we have to change tack because the present tack is not budging him. I agree we shouldn't be inventing scapegoats, so why keep doing it.

Clarence 18 who Singh uses to front the club, 1 director Raj Singh, he doesn’t run Pools as part of Prestige Homes as IOR did. The next accounts are due by the 27th of October, we shall see what Pools financial position is then.

Raj will run the club as he sees fit and if we want to influence him to change the way he goes about it we have either to find a way that will persuade him or resign ourselves to the fact that he won't be moved.
That is not defeatism or lack of ambition on my part but simply the reality that there is nothing I can do. I don't believe that antagonising the man will get me anywhere so I refrain from that avenue. What other options have I got I ask myself. Other than walking away from the club I have supported all my life I can't think of anything else. I don't like the reality and it frustrates me to death but it is what it is.

the best situation we could get is someone decent coming to the club and offering raj something he cannot afford to turn down. drive the bloke to the edge and he,d take any offer from anyone if the price is right just to get away and possibly leave the club in bad hands through spite. he aint a lifelong poolie by any means.

Yes it is the best situation, I keep saying it myself.
Anything else, especially hounding him out is fraught with danger. However if people are happy to endanger the club for the sake of annoying Raj into a swift departure then Raj just might give them the scenario they wish for. Like you say, no matter what happens Raj isn't the Poolie you and me are.
They will say they don't wish for a bad scenario but advocate boycotting the club which has all sorts of ramifications.
Ah well, like it has been since time immemorial Que sera sera.

just gets me why away from football many fans are just sensible hard working folks just doing there best for their family and thereselves. once football comes into a conversation or after a game all that sense is totally lost and the heart seems to rule their heads. those who propose to boycott the club are possibly just saying they are doing that because they for various reasons are not turning up to games. i,m not coming to the rochdale game but i,m not boycotting the match no matter how tonights game goes.

Aye football has a lot to answer for. A woman once said that the little bit of common sense that men have goes straight out of the window once football is involved. I can't remember who it was that said it but I wouldn't rule out me Grannie.

Will fall on dwaf ears by most the messiah should not be questioned. Lets see when it all comes out the state we are left in.

Ah, but did he ‘piss them off over wages’ I’m confident enough to ask you to confirm that..?
As for the tired old mantra about Armstrong, he was Salford’s to sell and a hobby club owner with money to spend was always gonna win in a bidding war….which blew up in their faces eventually and why did Salford not rate him or apparently want him to stay..
It’s a bit rich advising someone to ‘spend to accumulate’ when it’s not your money…but hey ho.
Wonder why Challinor never made a move for him.?

If there was ‘something to come out’…it would have come out by now surely….as for the ‘Messiah’ crack, well only in your eyes…..you ‘d think he was the Blofeld of the National League living in a volcano under Vic complete with a monorail system.Jeez…..

it never was as bad as it is now. possible football is just a window on life in general now where everything is taken far more seriously as it once was.

or harry lime escaping through the hartlepool sewers to safety being chased by fans carrying a noose.

Boycott’s let’s see it happen, we tried that back in the early 70’s admittedly without the internet …..and looked like dickheads, difference was we had a grievance. What it was all about was that important I can’t remember
Just imagine in such an infantile scenario it happened an Raj rode into the sunset after padlocking the doors, then what…?
No body ever answers that question with a practical answer.

It was Orson Welles don’t forget, he’s that big he’d end up chasing them.

Nobody ever answers that question Snowy and I am fed up of asking it.
The Irony is that people who recognise the reality are accused of having no ambition for the club by the very people who's ambition could take us into oblivion or at least to depths unheard of in our entire history.
Some ambition that is.

So raj this great businessman who has made millions is going to ride off into the sunset and not take any money from the sale of the club? Wow some business guy that would make him. Raj might be stubborn but he aint that daft.

Do you mean the depths we are already plummeting too? Out of the cup before the first round, first time ever? Sliding down the table for a possible relegation scrap to our lowest placing ever. Your right some ambition that is.

Sale of the club, Sale of the club.
Keep hearing this time and time again, Wish some one in the know would tell us all.
There must be some one ready to ride in to buy the club otherwise why keep going
On about the "Sale of the Club"

No I mean the depths that you appear to favour. Do you really think by driving Raj out we will be back in clover. What do you think will happen if he pulls the plug. What do you expect from a man who you're trying to drive out.

Sale of the club are the operative words. Do you really think it's gonna be sold any time soon.
I would expect Raj to take out anything he is owed, IF he sells it
Would you expect him not to do that.
He may consider to look for a bit of profit to compensate his rescuing act and the flak he has had to endure.
Would you expect him not to do that.

Well YOU are one of those who want him out…make your mind up because your logic is more Magic Roundabout than joined up thinking.

Same old nursery rhyme, try answering the question…again…..what will happen if he walks away…?

I'll answer. This pathetic existence out football club is going through has a chance of ending. Yes we might swap a slow death for a quick death but there is becoming less and less and less to lose and maybe, just maybe we have our club again. This wet luttucery of dancing round trying not to upset some millionaire nobody knows is pretty tragic.

If he doesnt walk away we will be in the conference north, if he does ? Why should he.? Lose all his money, then we hope someone wants a football club like they have for over 100 years now. Fans are petrified to say out against him while we slip from one disaster to another. He has played a blinder threatening leaving last year but not really showing many intentions to do so.

Flak christ hardly a murmur in the ground and thats with a relegation and watching rubbish. Most other clubs there would be hell on. We have the most patient fanbase around, maybe we are used to it.

Raj is here today and we're in the NL, if he's not here tomorrow we could be out of business with the need for a phoenix club to arise from the ashes, that's the reality. Look at what happened to Darlo and they're bottom of NLN on a downward trend again.
Personally I'm happier to stick with Raj than go bust. Defeatist, no realist, optimistic that better times are ahead in the long term, and god willing I'll still be going to the Vic a lot longer than our latest custodian (Raj).