There is no 'level' of sanctions which has been implemented or threatened worthy of the description. He has backed himself into a corner controlled from Moscow.
Proper puppet of corruption.

Yeah, the Ruble is worth nothing, most of the world won't trade with you, the stuff you can get is extra expensive because your currency isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Even your allies like China get a bit iffy because their country wholly relies on trade with the west. Not a great position to be in.

Definitely not the sort of position you can fight a major global conflict from.



There isn't a big red button sitting on his desk. To nuke somewhere, he has to give an order, knowing the consequences, and others knowing the consequences have to carry that order out.

Even if Putin is actually insane (and not just someone who knows exactly what he can and can't get away with) everyone between him and the "big red button" would have to be equally mental. Those people between him and said hypothetical button are in very senior positions. Regimes like Putin's usually fall when their Generals have had enough and stage a coup. It's happened since the Romans were around, a good example is Romania in the late 80s. Ceaușescu ordered his army to kill and round up protestors, his generals didn't want to order troops to kill their own people, they took him out instead. Russia's generals aren't going to sit by and let Putin turn their country and the rest of the developed world into a nuclear crater.

We’ll try again, what part of ‘sliding scale of sanctions’ to increase in severity according to Putins actions do you have a problem understanding. It was agreed on Wednesday at the summit between the UK, US and all the European countries.
We ain’t gonna go to war over Ukraine, they’ll just bleed him financially.
And who would you like in charge instead of Boris......?

"Among the many threats he issued in his declaration of war, the most chilling was reserved not for Ukraine but for the “outside forces” who might come to its defense, a thinly veiled reference to Kyiv’s allies in the U.S. and Europe. Addressing them toward the end of his speech, Putin said: “Anyone who tries to get in our way, let alone tries to threaten us and our people, should know that Russia’s answer will be immediate, and it will lead to consequences of the sort that you have not faced ever in your history.”"

ok vlad ...message received loud and clear....boris...cometh the hour..cometh the man..

Donald,where's your trousers.Bring back Trump!!!

taliban...putin...next in the queue ...little rocket man ?

We’ll try again, what part of ‘sliding scale of sanctions’ to increase in severity according to Putins actions do you have a problem understanding. It was agreed on Wednesday at the summit between the UK, US and all the European countries.
We ain’t gonna go to war over Ukraine, they’ll just bleed him financially.
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A sliding scale which increases in severity - well we started off with Russia sending troops into another country overtly and covertly and we did practically fuck all. So from a practically negligible start we escalate to umming and ahhing when they invade, bomb and murder innocent people I wonder what part of sliding scale you have a problem understanding.

We won't bleed him financially for reasons I have already pointed out..

I'd like someone who isn't corrupt.

I don't recall mentioning a button on his desk, it is a figure of speech.
Obviously he will have to order it and others will have to carry it out, just like he ordered the march into Ukraine without actually donning his boots himself.
All the so called experts are saying that effective sanctions will cripple his country and eventually lead to his demise, when the Russian nation eventually get the message. The generals obviously haven't so far rebelled at his current orders, just like previous generals didn't stop Stalin murdering millions of their countrymen, or Hitler's generals didn't object to carrying out the orders to murder six million Jews.
Putin's generals have just invaded a sovereign country of 44 million people, who voted, almost unanimously for independence, without provocation and knowing that the entire Western World would condemn their action and take steps in retaliation. They haven't opposed that order.
All madmen in history have a record of getting their own way and Putin is a madman. I can't, therefore share your confidence that he won't order the button to be pressed, nor can I rely on the refusal of it's pressing, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
You have already said that it would not be smart to declare war on a nation with their nuclear power.
The West is about to declare financial war on them in an attempt to strangle them into submission. Putin refers to any interference being dealt with immediately with consequences that have never been seen before.
Have you a take on that??

"Proper puppet of corruption"

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/barr ... 76606.html

Bit of a difference between "Kill X group of people/Invade X weaker nation" and "Do this knowing most of us are going to die and the ones who survive aren't going to have a country."

Nukes are a final option in every possible way. If Putin and his inner circle were in a Fuhrerbunker situation, basically under siege with opposing armies a few streets away, they have nothing to lose and you would probably see nukes being fired.

Until that point, it's all posturing. If it isn't, there's bugger all you can do about it anyway. Beyond moving to the middle of nowhere and stockpiling a few years' worth of food.

I know that there is nothing I can do but that won't stop me talking about it or having an opinion about it.
Putin has to be stopped, taken out, assassinated or whatever description suits because, until that happens, he is a threat to World peace/destruction. If his generals etc can't see that and act upon it then we have to at least worry over it.
Your analogy of the bunker is not dissimilar to mine of a rat in a corner and I agree with it. We are about to sanction him and his country nearer and nearer to that scenario.
That is my opinion.

"Putin has to be stopped, taken out, assassinated or whatever description suits because, until that happens, he is a threat to World peace/destruction"

operation...assassinate vlad.....british intelligence have a man ready to go....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PtlT3ZF4Wc

I know, there are a few of the fuckers around.

Aw shit, I wanted the job !!!

Vlad will get his way and no one will stop him because he may be just mad enough to go too far....... no one wants to risk it but he has to be got rid of somehow, he’s acting like Stalin did in 1939 when he marched into Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and what was left of Poland after the Germans had finished with it. He tried it with Finland and got his arse well kicked but they had to reach a compromise with him. (In all instances, the intelligentsia, officials, priests, politicians teachers etc, they and their families were deported to the Gulag or eliminated).
Trouble is, who wants to risk the chance of a nuclear war?
Time the armed forces were beefed up as at present most NATO forces are as weak as piss... the peace dividend at the fall of the USSR was an illusion. To people like him we present a sorry sight, obsessed with woke social nonsense and irrelevant fripperies, we look weak so he pounces. It’s what he does.

The other issue is political division and general hopelessness. The majority of people look around and don't see much worth fighting for these days. That needs sorting out.

If our leaders have any sense, wokeness will go out the window pretty quick and a healthy (not Hitlerish) level of nationalism will take its place. Wages and living standards will improve, capitalism will start working again (businesses might realise operating under Vlad won't be as fun and stop treating the workforce like shite).

Mind, I'm probably wrong and we'll all actually be getting an atomic suntan by June. Who knows?

Under the Soviet Union Russians were encouraged to settle in the east of Ukraine and the result will be a split in the country. Seems very similar to the encouraging of Protestants to settle in the north of a Catholic country resulting in a split.

Ukraine, strategic military operations, not war.
Falklands, engagements, not war.

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The other issue is political division and general hopelessness. The majority of people look around and don't see much worth fighting for these days. That needs sorting out.

If our leaders have any sense, wokeness will go out the window pretty quick and a healthy (not Hitlerish) level of nationalism will take its place. Wages and living standards will improve, capitalism will start working again (businesses might realise operating under Vlad won't be as fun and stop treating the workforce like shite).

Nationalism is basically football rivalries times 100. All a bit of religeon into the mix and you get disputes and wars. If it was not for power and money as well what actually is the need for any wars. We are all humans at the end of the day with different colours and languages but basically all the same with a bite to eat and a cup of water needed being our basic requirements. Doubt my future of mankind will never happen ever but you can live in hope for a future where the present situation is a thing of the past.

In the 80s, all English clubs were kicked out of European cups indiscriminately due to the actions of one club.

Why won't Uefa do the same with Russia today?

$ $ $ $.

All Leipzig Aren't We?

Dire times when it's an energy drink company vs a fascist regime.

Nah you need some uniting factor to keep a nation viable. What's the point otherwise?

Now you could say it causes wars, and you're probably right. But, like nukes, if one side has it and the other doesn't, the side with it has a major advantage. Look at Europe in WW2, the Germans were obviously massively nationalistic, the Italians were in a slightly different way, The Russians still call the whole thing "The Great Patriotic War", and Britain had a bunch of lads who were brought up with stories about our achievements. Oh and the Americans are self-explanatory.

Look at every nation that has ever fought for independence or resisted a larger occupying force. They're not really fighting for democracy, or communism, or whatever else gets painted over it all afterwards. Most of them are going this is my home, the people around me are my friends, and we aren't going to lay down and let whoever these arseholes are take it without a fight. Over the last few years that sort of attitude has been described as stupid and in some ways evil. We're not supposed to care about any of that, because if you do you're basically Hitler, despite every side having that attitude back then.

Pretty sure it's countries like Russia and China (who still hold these beliefs) pushing this "Your country did bad things, you should be ashamed of it. Nationalism is bad" nonsense to weaken the West.

I wish we lived in a world where everyone was equal and got along, but that's just not reality is it? We're tribal as a species, you have to find common ground with those around you and work for each other. It's all you can do.

i see our E.U friends are now really ratcheting up the pressure on vlad ....saying no to expelling him from the credit card system...and no to refusing to buy his oil and gas...but this decision should send him "ballistic".....well done E.U...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60530513

The worst part about them getting kicked from Eurovision, is that Britain lost its chance to not come bottom again!

Putin can't win. We defeat at him every time with our diversity and inclusiveness.

mr i...please note the recent comments by vlads foreign minister....invasion is only to ensure that ukraine has a "diverse" and "inclusive" government.....his words......now that's what i call really taking the piss...

News just in: Craig Harrison appointed manager of the Chechen shock unit right before their crucial clash against Ukraine tomorrow. Think he'll leave a troop or two on the front line while defending an artillery barrage or is that not his style?

It's just the beginning..just be thankful we don't have comrade corbyn in charge,eh..

Corbyn stood in parliament and identified Putin's influence in and funding of the Tory party over 4 years ago and the Tories lied and denied.
It's a fact.

Corbyn said.......
Ok state the fact, just because you say it’s a fact proves nothing.
Corbyn and his ex Diane Abbot are blaming NATO for the problem, really ?

He said it on record in the House of Commons. That is a fact.

Very true Mr Ball and now they can't deny it

NATO are the aggressors wtf!! It does you make you wonder what planet them two and their supporters are from.

What do you expect from a bunch of Marxists.
Corbyn's lot would have responded with sanctions on Ukraine. I can never fathom out why the marxists in this country don't go and live in this land of milk and honey, especially now as their marxist friends in Russia are rapidly running out of friends elsewhere.

Just because he said it, doesn’t make it a fact.
By ‘facts’ I mean details, not supposition or wishful thinking.
Just imagine if he’d won the election, ......on second thoughts, best not, phew!!

Corbyn is an irrelevant argument, he's not in power , however, a Conservative Party that has funded elections with Russian money is very much in power. They are lucky that the vast majority of people are coming together including most of Parliament

Can't you read?

27...now its boris and russian collusion ?...oh ffs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDWulaHN55s

My wife said when it all started " I wonder how long it will take for the usual thickos call to have all of the blame for this to be dumped at the door of number 10".
This is the problem with marxists, they think the rest of us are as dumb and gullible as they are, which is probably a good thing because god forbid the day when ordinary Brits see them as a possible regime.
Both the Russian and Chinese regimes (and you can chuck the North Koreans in the pot) exist because the people are oppressed and are never allowed an alternative. Hundreds, probably more like thousands, are being arrested all over Russia as we speak for daring to question the actions of their leaders. The same leaders who have vast sums of money squirreled away. These people have more capital than the capitalists.
Imagine the rage emanating from the marxists in this country if their right to peaceful protest was greeted with mass arrest. Guess who would be pretesting at the front......yes you've got it....Corbyn and Abbott.
Forty two faced hypocrites.

pacifist appeasement in the face of fascist aggression...will we ever learn....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wha ... t-ukraine-

I’ll try it slowly...... JUST BECAUSE JEREMY SAYS SOMETHING DOESN’T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IT.

Ah , common ground at last.

Poolie 1 I didn't say collusion at all just dirty money at the top of our political system , as for fuckwit ......

27..."a Conservative Party that has funded elections with Russian money"..this is what you said..you have a problem with your short term memory pal ?...a common fuckwit characteristic i'm afraid...

At least I'm not a fool , you need a bit of class my friend

‘A bit of class dear, oh dear.

27...."At least I'm not a fool".....your opinion ....which you are entitled to "my friend".......

Embarrassing.....

27...."embarrassing"? ....absolutely....but dont be too hard on yourself.....you'll get over it eventually...especially with your powers of recall..

Macron has seized a russian ship in the channel,we just need to get corbyn and his gullible supporters on it..