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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:40 am 
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I just want to know what the increase is for, it’s not fuel costs so why, because if it’s to finance some green agenda I will not be happy.
The whole world of politics is governed by the opinions of a tiny group unelected opinionated. goons on Twitter and their reaction to events..... it’s lunacy.


The increase is driven by the cost of gas on world markets which feeds into the cost of gas fired electricity generation which is the marginal cost of electricity generation and all electricity is priced at that level. That's where it is wrong. Many of the costs of generation have not gone up, ie nuclear, wind, solar, but these are not the marginal sources of supply so don't feed into the system marginal price. There needs to be fundamental reform of the electricity market so that it meets the needs of customers rather than energy companies. Prices should be regulated on the basis of average costs not marginal prices. Prices would still be rising but at around half the rate. The problem with that is that most of the companies are owned by EDF, RWE, E-On and Ibderola so there will be bellyaching from the EU. We are well and truly screwed and I don't expect any remedy any time soon. Nobody is talking about fundamental reform just windfall taxes of north sea producers which will not go down very well in the EU. A small proportion of your bill is for green issues. Boris's new energy strategy will do nothing for the price of energy this side of 2050 if at all.

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Thank you Mr Splod. I’m still baffled at the percentage rise in gas prices to justify these horrendous increases. I assume therefore that if the price ever drops we’ll see a drop :laugh: :laugh: but more like petrol prices, up immediately down eventually but don’t hold your breath.
I really feel for anyone on a fixed income like the state pension because these rises are gonna do some damage. I can afford it , but it’s not the point at the end of the day.

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good job they do not use newspapers anymore to wrap fish and chips. I,m sure using the guardian the fish will be off by the time it gets home as well as the chips going limp.


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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:24 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
I just want to know what the increase is for, it’s not fuel costs so why, because if it’s to finance some green agenda I will not be happy.
The whole world of politics is governed by the opinions of a tiny group unelected opinionated. goons on Twitter and their reaction to events..... it’s lunacy.


The increase is driven by the cost of gas on world markets which feeds into the cost of gas fired electricity generation which is the marginal cost of electricity generation and all electricity is priced at that level. That's where it is wrong. Many of the costs of generation have not gone up, ie nuclear, wind, solar, but these are not the marginal sources of supply so don't feed into the system marginal price. There needs to be fundamental reform of the electricity market so that it meets the needs of customers rather than energy companies. Prices should be regulated on the basis of average costs not marginal prices. Prices would still be rising but at around half the rate. The problem with that is that most of the companies are owned by EDF, RWE, E-On and Ibderola so there will be bellyaching from the EU. We are well and truly screwed and I don't expect any remedy any time soon. Nobody is talking about fundamental reform just windfall taxes of north sea producers which will not go down very well in the EU. A small proportion of your bill is for green issues. Boris's new energy strategy will do nothing for the price of energy this side of 2050 if at all.

Thanks you Mr Splod for this I have been illuminated :wink:
I may write to our MP Jill Mortimer with the information given and see what reply we get back.
However i doubt it will be nothing more than waffle from someone who occupies a position rather than performs a role.

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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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Today, after 6 days of the new rates, I have compared my Gas & Elec usage versus that of the same 6 day period last year with some worrying issues.
Gas 2021 = £6.29 against 2022 of £17.70
Elec 2021 = £9.68 against 2022 of £18.98
2021 total of £15.97 against 2022 total of £36.68

This is a massive increase of 129.7% when the Martin Lewis's of this world keep saying increases of just over 50%.

And we expect further increases in October.

Anyone got any answers?






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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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Is Starmer for real….he’s asking for a windfall tax on the big power companies, now that should appeal to the masses, but ….?

How it works out in the real world…….. Windfall tax applied to big power providers, they then think, where can we get this money back from? Aah, simple, our customers down the line. So eventually we pay for Starmer’s windfall tax and he has yet to say what he’d do with the money, because even if he gave it as a cash refund we’d only be paying it back further down the line with interest.
He obviously wasn’t a ‘Professor of Hard Sums n Stuff’ at Cambridge. A Masters in ‘Naivety and Other Worldliness’ at St Gullible’s University is probably more than likely.

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lloks good though to anyone jealous of anyone earning more than them or firms making a profit. i,ll give you a penny today but it will cost you double next week philosophy.


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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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Got my £150 in my bank account today.
Its even better when you are on a fixed rate till July 2023!
:banana-explosion: :obscene-drinkingcheers: :-D

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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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Here are the latest figures Mr Sussex, as I read my meters weekly every Wednesday;
Gas 2021 = £6.49 / 2022 = £17.97
Elec 2021 = £11.48 / 2022 = £24.13

2021 - £17.97 / 2022 = £42.10

Another massive increase of 134%

I'll need a mortgage soon to pay these bills.

PS Not had my £150 from Council yet, although 1st monthly payment already made.


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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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Funny, just paid my mortgage off to find the buggers have taken my nice little earner to pay the power bills. Mind you I was saving the mortgage money to pay for a nice extended Baltic cruise next year but I think Putin has completely buggered that plan up anyway…… unless I of course I take the wife on a minesweeper. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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Snowy wrote:
Funny, just paid my mortgage off to find the buggers have taken my nice little earner to pay the power bills. Mind you I was saving the mortgage money to pay for a nice extended Baltic cruise next year but I think Putin has completely buggered that plan up anyway…… unless I of course I take the wife on a minesweeper. :laugh:


Went on a Baltic cruise twenty years ago and it was very good. The highlight was a two night stop at St Petersburg ( Putin comes from there). I agree with your comment that it's not to be recommended at the moment but it is a nice place.
Try the cruise to Iceland, via Norway and calling at the Faroe islands and Orkney, with P&O. Very interesting but not for sun worshippers. If you are lucky a few whales will give you the once over. The Danish navy still do iceberg watch.

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Shocking them figures Mr CT i can take it on the nose but i doubt a lot of families will be able to afford it.On another note it's looking like the days of being able to buy a cheap second hand car down here are gone forever..tough times ahead for many sadx


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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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The car thing has been mentioned recently regarding the phasing out of petrol cars. Some say it’s a way to get people back on public transport because they sure as well won’t be able to afford the electric option.
They keeping flogging the economy of electric cars, yes they are cheap to run, but when everyone has one the price of electric for car charging points will be at a separate tariff higher than your domestic tariff.
Of course the climate ultras visualise a world of walking, cycling and E scooters.
We’re going backwards, you won’t be travelling anywhere at random.under your own control unless your loaded.

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Snowy wrote:
The car thing has been mentioned recently regarding the phasing out of petrol cars. Some say it’s a way to get people back on public transport because they sure as well won’t be able to afford the electric option.
They keeping flogging the economy of electric cars, yes they are cheap to run, but when everyone has one the price of electric for car charging points will be at a separate tariff higher than your domestic tariff.
Of course the climate ultras visualise a world of walking, cycling and E scooters.
We’re going backwards, you won’t be travelling anywhere at random.under your own control unless your loaded.



https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/pe ... en-3673240


I forgot to take my puncture kit last time around. :roll:


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https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/pe ... en-3673240


I forgot to take my puncture kit last time around. :roll:

I like how they’re cycling naked down a public nature trail and declare to the world….”…. If they don’t like the look of naked people they don’t have to look at us……”
What would be the Magistrates response be to Hebert Twang, with four convictions for revealing his ‘attributes’ to the public, if he came out with that line….?

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 Post subject: Re: Electric bills.
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Sussex UK wrote:
.On another note it's looking like the days of being able to buy a cheap second hand car down here are gone forever..tough times ahead for many sadx

been looking for a cheap automatic run around for her indoors. the days of the 500 quid banger has gone round my area as well and cars a couple of years ago that went for around the 400 mark have suddenly a few years later and extra miles on the clock are now 4 figures. is this supply and demand or something else more sinister behind all this.


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I used to change my car every three years with about 30,000 on the clock, always bought pre reg dealer stock that was classed as second hand (but with 4 miles on the clock) and as the new reg came out the dealers were desperate to move them on.
Purely by chance I put the last car in part ex as per normal and offered as a silly price by the dealer so kept it as runabout, it surprised me as it kept sailing through MOT’s and finally got rid of it with 138,000 on the clock and there’s the answer….. cars just keep going nowadays, I’ve got an 11 reg Note with 110,000 on the clock, serviced regularly never misses a beat.

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think a lot of older drivers who were brought up on stuff made by the big british manufacturers in the 60,s and 70,s still cannot get their heads round vehicles just being run in at 100.000 miles. most were knackered miles before that or had rusted away with normal owners. mt sister in law insists they sell their car once the 100k figure is reached even if the car is still totally reliable. had a merc diesel estate a few years back with over 200k on the clock and only got rid as i fancied a change.


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When looking for automatic cars, I'm sure some people miss cars like the Panda Dynamic which can be driven manually or by automatic. Yes, small cars that give a good fuel return and generally cheap to run for those people that don't do excessive mileage. Had one for just over 5 years and only drive about 1000 miles per year and with comprehensive insurance coming in at about £130 I find it very economical


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Had a Micra Y reg registered in the Shetlands from new (don’t ask) and someone mentioned to me when it went in for it’s first MOT …”Oh, it’s a K11, you’ll get 20 years out of that, built like a tank”. It went after three years, but I still see the buggers tootling about even now.

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Critical Thinking wrote:
Had one for just over 5 years and only drive about 1000 miles per year and with comprehensive insurance coming in at about £130 I find it very economical

insurance, another minefield. do not bother finding out which insurance group they put your car in. means sod all in my experiance. mitsubishi galant estate 2.4 petrol grouped in the late 20,s less than a group 9 peugeot 306 petrol estate. reason, more accidents with the peugeot. so it sould with far more on the road from the outset and even more still left now. yes, do your insurance homework before buying a car and do not assume anything.


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My car insurance runs out 9 May and I will stay with the Co-op at £134 but this year just ending, cost me £131 and I got back a £50 Co-op Food Voucher. Can anyone beat that, £81, for fully comp and no claims protected?


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£134 for the year, what year, 1977? What are you driving? :laugh:

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Year May 9 2021 until May 9 2022 for Fiat Panda, you obviously don't read earlier threads Snowy

Then from May 9 2022 is £134 for year


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It was a joke, remember jokes, but that’s still cheap.

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cheap aint the word for it. its 40 pound cheaper than my classic car policy i have for my peugeot 405 estate with limited mileage and nearly 3 times less than a 1.2 fiesta she is looking at with maximum no claims discount.


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My car insurance runs out 9 May and I will stay with the Co-op at £134 but this year just ending, cost me £131 and I got back a £50 Co-op Food Voucher. Can anyone beat that, £81, for fully comp and no claims protected?

did you initially get your insurance yourself or via the internet or a broker. might give the latter a go as they seem all still in business even with the internet that a good majority have.


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I normally use the comparison sites for electric, gas and car & home insurances. Found the Co-op this way (although I do a fair amount of grocery shopping in my local) and for new customers they offered the £50 food voucher. Decided this year they were still the best value (obviously not the £50 this time) and just went with them again.
As mentioned I don't do many miles, put 2 amounts of £20 in car since the petrol shortages last September. Car lives in the garage and only comes out for shopping and couple of runs for jabs etc and then goes straight back in garage once back home.


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Where do you get your petrol from, the chemist’s….?
I’ve banked with them since 1988, I’ll check them out.

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Yes the chemist called BILKINGS

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