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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:47 am 
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People should realise maybe he just didn’t want to come here for a number of reasons, this obsession with it being ‘all about the money’ continually, is becoming a bit one dimensional.

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i am dissapointed but he is not luke vardy by any means.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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The reports don't say Rochdale offered more money, they say Pools tried to haggle and then agreed to his release clause, got permission to speak to the player but Charman said he didn't fancy it.

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Before anyone complains about Pools ‘haggling’ over the signing, I’d expect any club to haggle, you don’t just walk in ask how much and cough up unquestioningly. Footballers don’t come with a bar code and VAT labels.
Maybe he was affronted by Pools haggling over his super dooper talents and took a hissy fit at anyone having the nerve to question his valuation.
He may be world famous in Darlington and the Northern Echo sports desk, but he’s just another shooting star who may burn out anytime.

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It's very concerning so far. The business already done is underwhelming. But who knows what's in the pipeline for the rest of the month? If it's nowt then that will be very telling. Money talks and so does the lack of it. Meself I think Raj is hoping we can emulate one of the shoestring budget surprise packages that seem to pop up at the top end of the division every season. That's a dangerous game. It worked last season as we had a good manager who got a slice of luck with loan signings and seemed to get the best out of some previously very ordinary players. Perhaps that's us now. Perhaps any extra income we get must go into keeping the club alive rather than building the team. I don't know. Alive is better than dead though but it's cold comfort when we are burning for the club to do well.


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darlo were grateful with the favour we did them on lawlor initially...

https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/jake-la ... ns-on-loan
"Darlington chief executive officer David Johnston said; “We are very grateful to Hartlepool, and in particular their chairman Raj Singh, for their help in getting this deal over the line.”"

...then armstrong has a strop when we recalled him...... and went bad mouthing us to the press...

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport ... arlington/

..ok.....fine.......no more favours in the future..... :laugh:


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Or did Raj renege on the agreement? Asking for a friend from Darlington.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Flying Hogans wrote:
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Charman another one chasing money, we obviously didn’t,t offer him what HE thought he was worth


The reports don't say Rochdale offered more money, they say Pools tried to haggle and then agreed to his release clause, got permission to speak to the player but Charman said he didn't fancy it.

As reported by Loan Star LAST Friday. Blimey, a fan who really does have his ear to the ground, unlike all the Poolie pranksters with their made-up junk.

As Snows says, Carman preferred the bright lights and small crowds of Spotland for some reason - or maybe an extra bag of dosh.


Well if the reports say so, It must be true.
Don,t know what i was thinking, Anyway if he had been decent Dave would have had him by now.


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It's very concerning so far. The business already done is underwhelming. But who knows what's in the pipeline for the rest of the month? If it's nowt then that will be very telling. Money talks and so does the lack of it. Meself I think Raj is hoping we can emulate one of the shoestring budget surprise packages that seem to pop up at the top end of the division every season. That's a dangerous game. It worked last season as we had a good manager who got a slice of luck with loan signings and seemed to get the best out of some previously very ordinary players. Perhaps that's us now. Perhaps any extra income we get must go into keeping the club alive rather than building the team. I don't know. Alive is better than dead though but it's cold comfort when we are burning for the club to do well.

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Footballers at our level are not much different to any other contractors. Pay and contract length aren't the only factors in choosing your next job but they dominate. I'm guessing we didn't really compete with Rochdale in one or both of those matters.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Snowy wrote:
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It's very concerning so far. The business already done is underwhelming. But who knows what's in the pipeline for the rest of the month? If it's nowt then that will be very telling. Money talks and so does the lack of it. Meself I think Raj is hoping we can emulate one of the shoestring budget surprise packages that seem to pop up at the top end of the division every season. That's a dangerous game. It worked last season as we had a good manager who got a slice of luck with loan signings and seemed to get the best out of some previously very ordinary players. Perhaps that's us now. Perhaps any extra income we get must go into keeping the club alive rather than building the team. I don't know. Alive is better than dead though but it's cold comfort when we are burning for the club to do well.

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Grayhoundend wrote:
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Charman another one chasing money, we obviously didn’t,t offer him what HE thought he was worth


The reports don't say Rochdale offered more money, they say Pools tried to haggle and then agreed to his release clause, got permission to speak to the player but Charman said he didn't fancy it.

As reported by Loan Star LAST Friday. Blimey, a fan who really does have his ear to the ground, unlike all the Poolie pranksters with their made-up junk.

As Snows says, Carman preferred the bright lights and small crowds of Spotland for some reason - or maybe an extra bag of dosh.


Well if the reports say so, It must be true.
Don,t know what i was thinking, Anyway if he had been decent Dave would have had him by now.

It seems Dave did enquire and Charman turned him down as well. Maybe not all about the money.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Footballers at our level are not much different to any other contractors. Pay and contract length aren't the only factors in choosing your next job but they dominate. I'm guessing we didn't really compete with Rochdale in one or both of those matters.

You’re right in the first two sentences, but to keep having regrets over every player we don’t or could have signed is pointless.
Your inference we’re offering payment in turnips is a recurring theme that no one can verify or disprove so why always glide to the worst case scenario?
There’s more to that non deal than meets the eye in my humble opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Herr Flick wrote:
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Charman another one chasing money, we obviously didn’t,t offer him what HE thought he was worth


The reports don't say Rochdale offered more money, they say Pools tried to haggle and then agreed to his release clause, got permission to speak to the player but Charman said he didn't fancy it.

As reported by Loan Star LAST Friday. Blimey, a fan who really does have his ear to the ground, unlike all the Poolie pranksters with their made-up junk.

As Snows says, Carman preferred the bright lights and small crowds of Spotland for some reason - or maybe an extra bag of dosh.


Well if the reports say so, It must be true.
Don,t know what i was thinking, Anyway if he had been decent Dave would have had him by now.

It seems Dave did enquire and Charman turned him down as well. Maybe not all about the money.

Why do you think Oates moved on, As Dave said he would not back himself.
It’s always about the dosh, foolish to think otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Oates opted for a two year contract with a league club when our expectation of promotion were to say the least wishful. Nothing complicated there, don’t blame him one bit. Right on his doorstep too.

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Snowy wrote:
Oates opted for a two year contract with a league club when our expectation of promotion were to say the least wishful. Nothing complicated there, don’t blame him one bit. Right on his doorstep too.


Never said I blamed him, defo go to the highest bidder every time.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Grayhoundend wrote:
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Oates opted for a two year contract with a league club when our expectation of promotion were to say the least wishful. Nothing complicated there, don’t blame him one bit. Right on his doorstep too.


Never said I blamed him, defo go to the highest bidder every time.

Never said you did, I was referring to me when I said ‘don’t blame him one bit’. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Grayhoundend wrote:
Charman another one chasing money, we obviously didn’t,t offer him what HE thought he was worth




We did chase. Unfortunately perhaps it would have been better not to chase him through the back door.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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chase any player by all means but each one has a value at the end of the day. paying over what the club actually values anyone could lead to more debt when they need replacing with another overpriced lad.


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Or did Raj renege on the agreement? Asking for a friend from Darlington.

Or did they....?

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Or did Raj renege on the agreement? Asking for a friend from Darlington.

Or did they....?


Answer a question with a question. The point clearly is that we don't know - but we should not blindly follow any specific leader.


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Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
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Or did Raj renege on the agreement? Asking for a friend from Darlington.

Or did they....?


Answer a question with a question. The point clearly is that we don't know - but we should not blindly follow any specific leader.

You are right, the point is we don’t know, which is why I reversed the question.
When I don’t know, I’m very wary of speculating either way, but some people thrive on speculation, especially negative speculation.
I have my doubts, but like to comment when I’m sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
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Snowy wrote:
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Oates opted for a two year contract with a league club when our expectation of promotion were to say the least wishful. Nothing complicated there, don’t blame him one bit. Right on his doorstep too.


Never said I blamed him, defo go to the highest bidder every time.

Never said you did, I was referring to me when I said ‘don’t blame him one bit’. :wink:


Oh dear whoops.


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Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
Snowy wrote:
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Or did Raj renege on the agreement? Asking for a friend from Darlington.

Or did they....?


Answer a question with a question. The point clearly is that we don't know - but we should not blindly follow any specific leader.

exactly. coming clean for once to the fans would stop all this speculation with no facts to rely on. as years go by football is getting more like some secret service agency and fans just wanted for their money and then shut up, doff our caps to our betters and thank them for allowing us to enter the vic.


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Or did Raj renege on the agreement? Asking for a friend from Darlington.

Or did they....?


Do you think Armstrong would have gone public with it had it been all bullshit? If it’s a lie then Singh will no doubt have his say.


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Armstrong....I heard him talking when his son came here, he sounded totally underwhelmed.
But it worked out for us.

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Armstrong....I heard him talking when his son came here, he sounded totally underwhelmed.
But it worked out for us.


What’s that got to do with pools reneging on the Lawlor loan deal?


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Grayhoundend wrote:
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Oates opted for a two year contract with a league club when our expectation of promotion were to say the least wishful. Nothing complicated there, don’t blame him one bit. Right on his doorstep too.


Never said I blamed him, defo go to the highest bidder every time.

Never said you did, I was referring to me when I said ‘don’t blame him one bit’. :wink:


Oh dear whoops.

No problem :laugh:

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Armstrong....I heard him talking when his son came here, he sounded totally underwhelmed.
But it worked out for us.


What’s that got to do with pools reneging on the Lawlor loan deal?

A passing comment...... :wink:

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"Do you think Armstrong would have gone public with it had it been all bullshit? If it’s a lie then Singh will no doubt have his say."

I don't know Mr Star - do you? All I know is that someone is telling porkies and that you are on the wrong board.


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Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
"Do you think Armstrong would have gone public with it had it been all bullshit? If it’s a lie then Singh will no doubt have his say."

I don't know Mr Star - do you? All I know is that someone is telling porkies and that you are on the wrong board.


Just keep your head stuck in the sand lol


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loan star...thought you had been told to pack in your vendetta against our chairman??


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loan star...thought you had been told to pack in your vendetta against our chairman??


He is permitted an opinion. Its the opposite to yours but just as weird.


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poolie1 wrote:
darlo were grateful with the favour we did them on lawlor initially...

https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/jake-la ... ns-on-loan
"Darlington chief executive officer David Johnston said; “We are very grateful to Hartlepool, and in particular their chairman Raj Singh, for their help in getting this deal over the line.”"

...then armstrong has a strop when we recalled him...... and went bad mouthing us to the press...

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport ... arlington/

..ok.....fine.......no more favours in the future..... :laugh:

Believe it or not, it was made a condition of the deal that Darlo had to include this prepared quote in a press release for the initial Lawlor loan or there would be no deal. I mean it’s hard to believe that somebody would be this needy but here we are. Darlo held their nose but agreed to it as they wanted the player.


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The best part of the Armstrong quote was that the only reason they lost 1-0 to a late goal from ex Poolie star Dinanga, was because Pools wouldn't let Lawlor play.

Wonder how he explains losing 5-0 to the worst team in the League with him playing?


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Believe it or not, it was made a condition of the deal that Darlo had to include this prepared quote in a press release for the initial Lawlor loan or there would be no deal. I mean it’s hard to believe that somebody would be this needy but here we are. Darlo held their nose but agreed to it as they wanted the player.


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If true that's very telling. Massive hubris.


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I’d get the full story before ordering the noose.

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Snowy wrote:
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Believe it or not, it was made a condition of the deal that Darlo had to include this prepared quote in a press release for the initial Lawlor loan or there would be no deal. I mean it’s hard to believe that somebody would be this needy but here we are. Darlo held their nose but agreed to it as they wanted the player.


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Hardly crime of the century, but how do you know?

Local football is a small world but in any case, there’s no way in a million years Darlo would have volunteered to write that sentence unless the deal depended on it. They despise the fella as everyone knows already. If the specific quote wasn’t included verbatim, there would be no deal.


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I've just woke from a 20 minute siesta..can someone please simplify? :)


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podgy alun........only gullible darlo loids believe anything this little self publicist has to say.... :laugh:

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quote="wandrererreturns"]
Hardly crime of the century, but how do you know?[/quote]
Local football is a small world but in any case, there’s no way in a million years Darlo would have volunteered to write that sentence unless the deal depended on it. They despise the fella as everyone knows already. If the specific quote wasn’t included verbatim, there would be no deal.


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That is not an answer, it’s speculation apparently on your part.
Your reference to ‘They despise the fella as everyone knows’ hardly strengthens your point.
Come back with a name who said it.

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I've just woke from a 20 minute siesta..can someone please simplify? :)

Gladstone has resigned, we’ll keep you informed.

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old boro boys...robbie and alun....big buddies...much in common...like to talk big and look big...same chav clobber too....my bets are on for who will get the boot first...5-0 to the bottom club....mmmmmm....alun has a head start... :laugh:

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old boro boys...robbie and alun....big buddies...much in common...like to talk big and look big...same chav clobber too....my bets are on for who will get the boot first...5-0 to the bottom club....mmmmmm....alun has a head start... :laugh:

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This some kind of code? You some kind of wind talker?


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Speaking of teams at Darlo's level, Blyth Spartans have been in tremendous form since Terry Mitchell took over from Micky Nelson as manager. Off the bottom of the NLN and up to 17th, beat Gateshead and Spennymoor over the holiday period, now only 3 points behind Darlo with a game in hand.

Mitchell has a ton of experience managing at non-league level and obviously knows how to get the best out of part-time players who only train once or twice a week. At least, I hope that's the main reason Spartans have improved so much...


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I've just woke from a 20 minute siesta..can someone please simplify? :)

Gladstone has resigned, we’ll keep you informed.



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Stockdale says other clubs offered Charman more money who’s to say Pools was one of them.


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At the end of the day he chose Rochdale, who knows why. Doubt we’ll ever find out, or even want know why he did, the deals done, no sleep lost, but I suspect he wasn’t worth what Darlo valued him at in the bidding clubs eyes and Rochdale’s offer was the best of a cautious bunch.

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:43 am 
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Who cares? The majority would have wrote him off before he played a minute anyway as he’s come from a few leagues below.

Why are you all outraged we haven’t signed a unproven striker from Darlo?


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Charman
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:19 am 
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doh.... al... un.....looking rough pal......"its doing my head in"......... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxGZBrkSf1g


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