My great uncle Titus did that, he got his ticket last thing on a pier head jump for £12 but me Nan said that there Titanic was overrated.
Me Nan was always right.

There are lots of people who think a gun to one's head is a very good analogy and I do as well. But "guns" come in different guises and it has been said that covid 19 is more deadly than a gun.
As for court cases there is far more chance of companies being taken to court for neglecting the safety of the majority of their employees by allowing unvaccinated people to mix unguarded in their workplaces, which could lead to a death. All workplaces, venues, gatherings, even countries have conditions attached to them. How many times have you seen or heard "The management have the right to refuse entry". Taking somebody to court for complying with "duty of care" will take some winning.
Employers are required by law through the health and safety at work act to exercise due care, so it could be argued that the people holding the gun to other people's heads are actually the unvaccinated. The irony here is that Employers could be left with no choice as a result of individuals exercising their choice.
For years certain countries have had vaccinations against various diseases as a mandatory requirement before entry is granted and nobody bats an eyelid. People still have a choice.....if you don't like it then don't go.
Look, Mr Accy, everybody currently has the right to refuse the vaccine but if it is made mandatory in certain areas or even in all areas, then the law is the law and has to be complied with just like any other law.

Those thoughts crossed my mind but after checking the records of iceberg sightings in the Med, I decided to jump !!!!

A few people talk as though they’re making a personal stand for freedom, a point of principle even, when refusing to vaccinate.
Trouble is, Covid doesn’t have any principles and certainly doesn’t give a flying f@&% about yours.
It just wants to infect you, nothing personal.

It is difficult to understand where some people are coming from with the vaccine.
The vaccine has virtually turned a deadly disease into a nuisance, saved untold millions of lives across the World and restored our belief in medical science and yet, in spite of all that has been achieved, people are still unwilling to follow the guidance, risking themselves and others and for what??? Is it a fear of needles, is it stubbornness, is it no one tells me what to do. I would love for somebody to own up to why just so we can understand.
Down the pub we are told that it's because they're thick as shit but it's not as simple as that, surely.

its a good job our ancestors didn,t think that way. just think of all the changes in the laws that have occured over the last 200 years plus those that have been totally scrapped. doubt it was a few MP,s that did this out of the goodness of their hearts but more of a change of public opinion, riots at the worst plus others risking their livelihoods to make a change. so lets get back to the good old days of doffing our caps at our betters and be prepared to be hung for sheep stealing.

If it is made law it has to be obeyed, if it is subsequently changed or scrapped then it doesn't have to be obeyed but the changes have. So I don't think you have to worry about cap doffing or being hanged for stealing a sheep, although people nowadays pay good money to go to Australia, all our ancestors had to do was pinch a sheep and they got free passage.
Laws that are designed to protect the public are generally accepted. For example.....speed limits, driving behaviour, wearing seat belts, driving on the prescribed side of the road, procedure at roundabouts, zebra crossings, appropriate insurance, vehicle worthiness, smoking bans in public places, the taking of life, stealing etc etc etc. There are people who have opposed some of these measures by protesting or opposing them and the same would apply to mandatory vaccines should they be passed in law. There is enough public opinion in favour of the idea so there is the plus factor. I actually do not expect vaccines to be made mandatory but I wouldn't bet against it, nor would I oppose it.
There is always the choice of breaking the law and taking the consequences, so there is still a choice.

Got a text message a few weeks back to book me booster jab.
Still getting voicemail that no appointmenrs are available due to shortage of vaccination s.
Victoria Rd Medical Centre.

You need to follow that up, mate. The head of NHS England was asked the very question yesterday and said there was no problem with supply.
Unless of course it is only the venue awaiting their order.
Worth checking.

Wish i could actually get an appointment with some medical person. There is a limit to the time you can spend on a phone waiting for a reply. Go in and they flatly refuse to give you an appointment saying phone calls only. Stand outside, look through the door, phone up and they do not answer. The aptly names Kilmeny surgery, keighley.

The first two jabs failed and now you need a booster. how many more jabs will you need from will from these pharmaceutical firms that have big names and lawsuits linked to them blah blah blah..it's a waste of time arguing with them,brick walls.

The first two jabs didn’t fail.
You get flu jabs every year because the virus changes, same here.

They don't know enough about the covid vaccines being used snowy.

The first jabs didn't fail, like everything else they wane in their effectiveness and efficiency, making a top up necessary to maintain levels of protection, hence the description of booster.
You put oil in your engine but you don't rely on it forever. You keep changing it and/or topping it up.
We may be stuck with boosters for the immediate future or until we find a better method of reducing the power of the disease.
Or you could take the chance of your death or causing someone else's death. It's a stark choice and it can't be dressed up in any other way.

If you are able to make that statement my friend, you must know more than they do.
What is it you know that they don't.

Says who Mr Sussex ? This is like the MMR jab for kids all over again when some celeb doc blamed it for all sorts.....that turned out to be 100% undiluted bollocks and look at the misery that caused.
As the vast majority of the medical profession are for it I have to say to myself do I listen to the experts or some flat earth Luddite on the internet who sees conspiracy in even flushing the toilet, for his/her/ it’s view.
I’ll go for the experts every time.
If I want the car servicing I don’t take it to the bakers.
Have YOU been vaccinated?

I'm double jabbed , i'm all up for it Just a selection of views i've heard the most from the non-believers.

All contacts of suspected omnicron cases must self-isolate..ping chaos for xmas eh.

‘Chaos’... Inconvenience possibly.

The experts say it spreads rapidly,the apps go off,the country shuts down once again . A good few businesses wouldn't survive another round of this.I thought care homes for instance were already having problems staffing them.

that has always been life though. every time you take the car out on even a short journey you could be killed or kill someone. fixing any type of machinery can also cause this by only a slight mistake on your part. there are multitude of other things that can kill you and possibly others by your actions. the jabs are no magic bullet like anything else in life.

Very true, nobody escapes death and life is full of risks but there are means available to help minimise the risks, especially when the means on offer could save other peoples lives as well as your own.
Using your own car analogy, there are several ways of reducing the risks associated with cars and I'm sure I don't have to list them as a bright lad like you will know them already.

I'll start this with my disclaimer - I have no medical training so this is simply my point of view

The issue I have with businesses demanding full vaccination for employees is that the vaccination doesn't stop you contracting Covid, it's designed so you suffer fewer or no symptoms and therefore saves lives. I am fully vaccinated and will get my booster next week to protect myself. If the person next to me at work doesn't want a vaccination and is prepared to take their chances in a game of Russian Roulette with the virus that is their choice.

I think Businesses and Governments need to be clear that the need for full vaccination is to reduce issues with time off for illness (Business) or pressure on the NHS (Government). Don't try to hide behind the "safer for others" story as I don't remember seeing anything to say that is the truth. Do people with more severe symptoms cause more mutations than people asymptomatic?

It's a bit like people who won't wear a mask as it won't stop them getting Covid. The basic cloth mask was always to lessen the chance you inadvertently passed Covid to others.

I go along with most of that but would point out that the very first slogan stated that one of the objectives was to relieve the pressure on the NHS. I think it went Stay at home, save lives and protect the NHS. So they have already admitted to trying to ease NHS pressure.
Normally it was the annual round of flu bugs and variants that caused most winter absenteeism and yet businesses never insisted on their employees having the flu jab. I've often been surprised by that and used to think that businesses would eventually provide all employees the means to get flu jabbed in the workplace but they haven't as yet.
I wonder where the Unions stand on this if someone loses their job because they refuse to comply with the jabs. Do they defend their member or accept the company stance of exercising their duty of care and health and safety at work. If they back the member and subsequently that is the cause of loss of life are the Union then complicit to manslaughter. Imagine that can of worms.

so you wear your useless face muzzle then you can still breath in the virus. therefore if you can breath it in you can breath it out if you are infected. i will not wear something that does not work but avoid places that require it only to save the hassle. i possibly could get an exemption as they cause me breathing problems and do not like anything or anyone touching me on the face. i am certainly not going to join the self exemption brigade as i,d only do it with a doctors note.

I have problems understanding what people are saying when they speak through a mask.

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I go along with most of that but would point out that the very first slogan stated that one of the objectives was to relieve the pressure on the NHS. I think it went Stay at home, save lives and protect the NHS. So they have already admitted to trying to ease NHS pressure.

protect the NHS. always thought its inception was to was brought about to save the population. even more pressure has been caused by people avoiding its use or their inability to use it. i will think my life work has been successful when the day my lad and family go private just to shut me up.

need to watch more television drama then just to get used to mumbling or loud whispering.

I know people who won't take the vaccine, but don't mind taking any drug going or laying on sunbeds. You couldn't make some of the stuff up some of the excuses people come up with.

End of the day it’s all about reducing the risk factor and improving your odds. End of.
If some ‘principled’ non vaxer/mug wants to tap dance in the Covid minefield, you can’t help them.

Oh...I've already given that up.

You may have missed the words "lessen the chance" in my post. The virus is not just caught via your nose and mouth but also by eyes I seem to remember from the start of all this. Obviously my eyes don't produce aerosol germs so I won't be wearing an eye mask to protect others.

I have always sneezed into a hankie or tissue to lessen the chance that my normal cold germs become aerosols for others to breathe in, I now wear a mask when in public places as I am now aware that it is not just my sneeze that can spread the infection.

Germany is about to ban the unvaccinated from shops and bars.

and have gone down the line of reducing attendances at games. actually there is more sense in that than face muzzle wearing. limit the number of people going into shops at any one time also. at this time of year everywhere is packed but 24 hour opening is still about at some. when its available then use it.

Befehl ist befehl !

Ja mein grupenfuhrer.

Zwei Bier bitte und ein Schweinefleischknukle. Dankeschön....like

Who’s the other beer for? .... not a fan of pork...

It's for you Snowy, the dog can have some of the pork, or I'll eat it.
The pork that is!!!!

If it’s in sausage form my terrier will stuff himself silly,

I see our MP Jill Mortimer is going to vote against the recently announced Plan B restrictions to help control the spread of the new Covid19 variant.
I just cannot understand such stupidity when Plan B is fully supported by the medical and scientific community and these experts are already demanding a Plan C with weeks.
She cites damage to local businesses but what about the health of her constituents?
I assume she feels safe where she lives but that is not Hartlepool is it?

Has this omicron variant killed anyone yet? Has it even hospitalised anyone?

In early March 2020 there was the first death in the uk (but the future picture was clear from what was happening in Italy and France) but we decided to wing it and didnt lock down till 23th March.

Then what happened next?

What this has taught me is trust the science not the politicians.

But has this specific variant caused more hospitalizations and mortality than regular covid? It's a very simple question that seems to be answered by vague technobabble, that or its ignored.

Bare in mind we've already had the delta variant, along with that supposed UK variant that seemed to peter out.

Finally got me 3rd jab last nite at a walk in centre.
My advice is go an hour before they due to shut.
Over 700 jabbed during the day but only had to wait 5 mins +15 mins after to make sure there was no problems.
Hospitalisations down from 40000 to 8000.
So the jabs deffo work.
Stay safe n be Healthy.
UTP.

We’ll soon find out..... but who’s to say the next variant will be so benign, that’s the problem.

These new variants will be mixed in with Winter Flu.
Be careful at this years xmas quiz party Boris.

problem is that the media and the government just cannot wait for a death or admissions into hospital due to the mandela variant. there will be fleet street and paries at no 10 when it happens.

Do we shut up all hospitality venues now? or do we wait until the New Year?..it's all on your shoulders.YES or NO?

After Wednesday, they can shut them up and board up the windows, that’s my last Xmas do.