Season Over?

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:56 pm

Flying Hogans wrote:

Not necessarily. This is the latest DCMS update:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... gue-system

In theory, all the clubs in the NL, NLN and NLS can apply for grants if they don't think they can afford a loan.

'On Step 1 and 2 National League funding, Sports Minister Nigel Huddleston added:

“With precious public money, we are providing financial support to the National League Steps 1 and 2 in the form of loans. However if clubs at those levels can demonstrate it needs grant funding urgently to survive, we will ensure that option is available. We will not let clubs go to the wall. Applications will be assessed by the independent Board, through the same rigorous process that we apply to other sports.”'

There's no indication of how long it will take DCMS to assess individual applications for loans (probably from all 67 clubs). If the season stops it at least means no clubs will be going out of business. You'd think if they had two brain cells to rub together DCMS and the National League would find a way for our division to continue playing, as the majority of the sides in it want to do.

The Huddleston quote is a paragraph at the end of the release about the £10m grants - so no detail. Is this the start of another U turn? What club is going to ask for a repayable loan when a grant may be available? So are grants going to be available to all clubs? And if so, where will this stop? You can't give, say, Pools a grant and not, for instance, Newcastle Falcons...........or Durham Ladies FC........or any other equivalent sporting organisation - and, as I say, where do you stop? What about Darlington Hippodrome?

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

I guess that's why there's £300 million in the fund - for all sports. I'm sure the rugger buggers will be very well looked after!

There's an argument that all televised live sports are playing a role in keeping up the morale of the nation - mostly by helping to stave off boredom. National League sides are as likely to get their games televised as teams in Leagues One and Two, besides thousands of fans forking out every week for live streams. That should be an incentive for DCMS to help keep the show on the road.

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

Kings Lynn chairman has stated that certain clubs have started legal proceedings against the NL after the shambles of the last distribution. Maybe the NL aren't trusted to distribute appropriately - Pools apparently did quite well out of the last grant.

The NL have now told NLN/NLS they are continuing from next week. Perhaps to force their hand so they refuse and say it's a club decision rather than a league one, therefore placing the blame away from their door.

Just a theory... whatever happens, if it goes to a vote, we're f***ed because realistically only the clubs in touching distance of promotion to the FL will vote to carry on.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

thebigdog wrote:

The NL have now told NLN/NLS they are continuing from next week. Perhaps to force their hand so they refuse and say it's a club decision rather than a league one, therefore placing the blame away from their door.

I'd seen a reference to that on Twitter. Begs the question why pause things at all if it wasn't going to achieve anything? This situation has driven a horse and cart through the national leagues structure - the NL is mostly made up of fully professional clubs and has more in common with League 2 than the NLN and NLS. York City are getting dogs abuse for being practically the only team in the NLN who want the season to continue.

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 652

York City expect the other clubs to get into debt so that they can chase promotion.

York City have recently had a nearly two and a half million pound windfall as well as selling Bootham Crescent to builders.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

That's my point. York stick out like a sore thumb in a part-time league.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Hartlepool and York can afford to play on and should because they are both chasing promotion...so it's ta feck with rest of them and who cares if they're skint?? nice.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Infidel wrote:

York City expect the other clubs to get into debt so that they can chase promotion.

York City have recently had a nearly two and a half million pound windfall as well as selling Bootham Crescent to builders.

and york were denied promotion last season due to that points for games thing. its either a chip on their shoulder or not wanting this to happen again. if we were york fans we would not care less about the farsley celtics and guiseleys of this world.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

Sussex UK wrote:

Hartlepool and York can afford to play on and should because they are both chasing promotion...so it's ta feck with rest of them and who cares if they're skint?? nice.

And Darlo are stuck in another going nowhere season so would be happy to see it voided.

Though as Loan Star pointed out, they've taken 4 points from the last 5 games but IF they won their 6 games in hand they'd be right back in the play off mix - as long as York, Boston, Fylde and the rest all lost all of their games in hand

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 652

accrington fan wrote:

Infidel wrote:

York City expect the other clubs to get into debt so that they can chase promotion.

York City have recently had a nearly two and a half million pound windfall as well as selling Bootham Crescent to builders.

and york were denied promotion last season due to that points for games thing. its either a chip on their shoulder or not wanting this to happen again. if we were york fans we would not care less about the farsley celtics and guiseleys of this world.

I realise this discussion in parts is a little 'tongue in cheek' but York weren't denied promotion because of "the points for games thing" - the fact is that the season didn't finish and the 'points per games thing' enabled them to enter the play offs, which they subsequently cocked up. This is York's 4th season (I think) in our league, for a club that think they are so much better and bigger than anyone else they're not doing a very good job of proving this on the field of play.

But there is a more important issue here. Why should a multitude of clubs be forced into taking on debt? Debt that could last for decades...

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/saturda ... e-9154597/

Kings Lynn willing to give it a couple more weeks before pulling the plug if 0 grants on offer.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

thebigdog wrote:

https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/saturday-could-end-up-being-our-last-home-game-of-the-season-linnets-chairman-stephen-cleeve-9154597/

Kings Lynn willing to give it a couple more weeks before pulling the plug if 0 grants on offer.

Know this is a deadly serious situation but - the King's Lynn chairman's jacket!

Ooh! Suit's you sir!

Brasil Brush · **Joined:** Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:10 am **Posts:** 1539

I'd take Kings Lynn with the same amount of salt I do the Boreham Wood Chairman. Kings Lynn once charged £15 for a football programme, so I'm sure they're genuinely struggling and not asking for a grant just to load their coffers...

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9561

thebigdog wrote:

https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/saturday-could-end-up-being-our-last-home-game-of-the-season-linnets-chairman-stephen-cleeve-9154597/

Kings Lynn willing to give it a couple more weeks before pulling the plug if 0 grants on offer.

If North n South gets season scrapped.
Obviously there will be no relegation from National League.
But can't see how the KL chairman can say there can be no promotion to Football League.

Aren't most players under contract.
How will that get resolved if the season gets pulled.

What a mess.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Brasil Brush wrote:

I'd take Kings Lynn with the same amount of salt I do the Boreham Wood Chairman. Kings Lynn once charged £15 for a football programme, so I'm sure they're genuinely struggling and not asking for a grant just to load their coffers...

people like them are only there for the money and the good times. once there is some struggle on or off the pitch they,ll be gone quicker than they arrive. raj isn,t ideal by a long way but really would anyone like the kings lynn owner popping into the vic.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

accrington fan wrote:

people like them are only there for the money and the good times. once there is some struggle on or off the pitch they,ll be gone quicker than they arrive. raj isn,t ideal by a long way but really would anyone like the kings lynn owner popping into the vic.

They're in a relegation struggle now if the season continues. Another chairman who would be happy to see it called off.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

16 clubs in the NLN and NLS have made a joint statement calling for the season to be curtailed a week today if new grants including money for Covid testing aren't confirmed by then. They are also threatening not to fulfill their fixtures even if ordered to do so by the NL board: "Without adequate and fair funding...we are unable to uphold the integrity of the football pyramid."

Out of the 16, the highest placed in either league is Gateshead who are currently 10th in the NLN. The statement is nowhere near enjoying majority support even in their own divisions (43 clubs in total) but they are making most of the running in the national media because they are speaking with one voice.

Meanwhile the National League board is inviting all 66 clubs to vote on the future of the season on Monday, though they haven't announced what the options are yet https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55848918

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Flying Hogans wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Hartlepool and York can afford to play on and should because they are both chasing promotion...so it's ta feck with rest of them and who cares if they're skint?? nice.

And Darlo are stuck in another going nowhere season so would be happy to see it voided.

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Confident and cocksure that Pools will get promoted this year are you ?

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 7513

National League: Seperate vote from N/S Leagues.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

Sussex UK wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Hartlepool and York can afford to play on and should because they are both chasing promotion...so it's ta feck with rest of them and who cares if they're skint?? nice.

And Darlo are stuck in another going nowhere season so would be happy to see it voided.

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Confident and cocksure that Pools will get promoted this year are you ?

Prat.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Flying Hogans wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Hartlepool and York can afford to play on and should because they are both chasing promotion...so it's ta feck with rest of them and who cares if they're skint?? nice.

And Darlo are stuck in another going nowhere season so would be happy to see it voided.

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Confident and cocksure that Pools will get promoted this year are you ?

Prat.

You're not thinking about poorer clubs..so you can kiss my arse.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

Sussex UK wrote:

You're not thinking about poorer clubs..so you can kiss my arse.

You mean the poorer clubs who mostly, as it happens, have nothing to play for this season anyway?

16 clubs in the NLN and NLS have made a joint statement calling for the season to be curtailed a week today if new grants including money for Covid testing aren't confirmed by then. They are also threatening not to fulfill their fixtures even if ordered to do so by the NL board: "Without adequate and fair funding...we are unable to uphold the integrity of the football pyramid."

Out of the 16, the highest placed in either league is Gateshead who are currently 10th in the NLN. The statement is nowhere near enjoying majority support even in their own divisions (43 clubs in total) but they are making most of the running in the national media because they are speaking with one voice.

You seriously think that if any of those 16 were running away with their respective leagues they'd be in favour of voiding the season?

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 652

Are Hartlepool 'richer' than Darlington? I'm not sure.

I bet Hartlepool have more debt, and on top of that they have someone in charge with form for pulling the plug when the figures get tricky.

I'm not on a wind up here, just pointing out there's a bigger picture than table positions at present and none of this would be happening if the government hadn't of changed their position.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Flying Hogans wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

You're not thinking about poorer clubs..so you can kiss my arse.

You mean the poorer clubs who mostly, as it happens, have nothing to play for this season anyway?

16 clubs in the NLN and NLS have made a joint statement calling for the season to be curtailed a week today if new grants including money for Covid testing aren't confirmed by then. They are also threatening not to fulfill their fixtures even if ordered to do so by the NL board: "Without adequate and fair funding...we are unable to uphold the integrity of the football pyramid."

Out of the 16, the highest placed in either league is Gateshead who are currently 10th in the NLN. The statement is nowhere near enjoying majority support even in their own divisions (43 clubs in total) but they are making most of the running in the national media because they are speaking with one voice.

You seriously think that if any of those 16 were running away with their respective leagues they'd be in favour of voiding the season?

Who cares about 16 clubs going pop ."I'm alright,Jack"?

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

What solidarity did those 16 clubs show to part-time clubs in non-league Step 3 when they had their seasons shut down in December? The ones that were deemed 'non-elite.'? The ones that also had no word of any government money at all until yesterday's announcement? That would be another case of "I'm alright, Jack" wouldn't it?

So now that the NL board have announced that Step 1 clubs (National League) will vote separately to Step 2 (National League & National North/South) on the status of the season, there's every chance of a different outcome. Stand by for a re-definition of 'elite.'

Brasil Brush · **Joined:** Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:10 am **Posts:** 1539

Imagine having a messageboard so boring you need to post on here.

Very small tinpot club...

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

I would imagine as part of the vote - if the season is to carry on - there will be a minimum requirement for PPG involved.

Makes tomorrow & Tuesday's game even bigger for us to get back on track as we close in on the halfway mark.

loan_star · **Posted:** Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:31 pm

Taking a loan to carry on trading when you have no realistic income to pay back the loan, means you are trading illegally.
Clubs with benefactors seem to be the ones who want to carry on. Clubs trying to stay solvent are the sensible ones. Mind you, even Spennymoor aren't prepared to take a loan to carry on and their chairman makes Raj look a pauper!

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

£2 million for promotion to League 2. But there are other considerations too, not least the future relationship of the EFL with the National League if NL clubs call time on the season. Those of us who've only been in the NL for a relatively few seasons (and I include Darlo in that) can do worse than to have a think about Atrincham's reasons for voting to carry on:
http://www.altrinchamfc.com/news/carry- ... the-season

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Aye, the new refurb plans for their ground looks very impressive.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Flying Hogans wrote:

£2 million for promotion to League 2. But there are other considerations too, not least the future relationship of the EFL with the National League if NL clubs call time on the season. Those of us who've only been in the NL for a relatively few seasons (and I include Darlo in that) can do worse than to have a think about Atrincham's reasons for voting to carry on:
http://www.altrinchamfc.com/news/carry- ... the-season

really agree on their take of things. actually there must be many clubs in the lower leagues who would be quite happy to lift the drawbridge and stop relegation from the EFL down to our level. among these will be teams with a short memory of years of non league football. just cannot see why our league should be influenced by NLN or NLS clube. doubt the latter leagues clubs would want interferance from leagus below them in the pyramid. teams in our league need to take a decision thinking of the future of our league and not just their present league position. no club knows what is round the corner where the present strugglers may become the big boys in years to come. there is not a single club in our league smaller than salford or fleetwood before the money eventually rolled in at these clubs.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

accrington fan wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

£2 million for promotion to League 2. But there are other considerations too, not least the future relationship of the EFL with the National League if NL clubs call time on the season. Those of us who've only been in the NL for a relatively few seasons (and I include Darlo in that) can do worse than to have a think about Atrincham's reasons for voting to carry on:
http://www.altrinchamfc.com/news/carry- ... the-season

really agree on their take of things. actually there must be many clubs in the lower leagues who would be quite happy to lift the drawbridge and stop relegation from the EFL down to our level. among these will be teams with a short memory of years of non league football. just cannot see why our league should be influenced by NLN or NLS clube. doubt the latter leagues clubs would want interferance from leagus below them in the pyramid. teams in our league need to take a decision thinking of the future of our league and not just their present league position. no club knows what is round the corner where the present strugglers may become the big boys in years to come. there is not a single club in our league smaller than salford or fleetwood before the money eventually rolled in at these clubs.

The way things are shaping up I think the majority of NL clubs will vote to carry on playing and they won't be bound by a simple majority vote if the most NLN and NLS want to stop. I don't know what the rule book says or even if it covers an extraordinary situation like this one. But if the NL board has a choice I'm sure they won't want to jeopardize normal promotion and relegation between the EFL and the NL even for one season, or risk defaulting on the TV contract with BT.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Sussex UK wrote:

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Who cares about 16 clubs going pop ."I'm alright,Jack"?

a few years ago it would have bothered me. however i,ve got to a point now as long as pools do not go pop i really could not give a damn about the rest.

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 652

accrington fan wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

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Who cares about 16 clubs going pop ."I'm alright,Jack"?

a few years ago it would have bothered me. however i,ve got to a point now as long as pools do not go pop i really could not give a damn about the rest.

Do realise you might need “the rest” to play against?

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

Infidel wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

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Who cares about 16 clubs going pop ."I'm alright,Jack"?

a few years ago it would have bothered me. however i,ve got to a point now as long as pools do not go pop i really could not give a damn about the rest.

Do realise you might need “the rest” to play against?

As far as Pools are concerned it looks odds on that "the rest" (that is, a majority of NL clubs) will also vote to play on. Most NLN clubs will vote to suspend their season, but quite a few NLS clubs have come out in favour of continuing the season so it's not at all clear which way their vote will go. It's all looking very messy but I'd have money on the NL season playing on to a finish.

Have a look at Ollie Bayliss on Twitter for declared voting intentions.

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 652

I’ve seen that, and it is a mess that’s for sure.

A mess of the government’s making, as without the change to the funding situation this wouldn’t be happening.

I’ve been reading comments by some York fans saying that legal action should be taken against clubs who pull out! These are not normal times but some people fail to realise that.

No club wants to vote to not play football - what would be the point in having a club if it didn’t play.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9561

Not sure what's coming out of today's meeting / vote agenda.
But if it's down to a vote to carry the season on/off wudent be surprised if it goes 12 - 11 either way.

UTP!?

horden · **Posted:** Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:00 am

Its going to be messy either way, can't see those clubs who want to finish the season , putting much effort in as regard to fulfilling their fixtures etc. Some could end up just going through the motions and all that involves , playing youngsters, throwing games, in other words , a farce.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Altogether now "All clubs matter,All clubs matter..."

Kallang Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:54 am

Flying Hogans wrote:

or risk defaulting on the TV contract with BT.

I would be surprised if this was the case. A vote by the clubs would be outside of the NL's control so the agreement will probably either provide for a suspension of both parties' obligations, or there will be some mechanism for fee deferral or refund for BT.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5532

horden wrote:

Its going to be messy either way, can't see those clubs who want to finish the season , putting much effort in as regard to fulfilling their fixtures etc. Some could end up just going through the motions and all that involves , playing youngsters, throwing games, in other words , a farce.

If the vote in the NL is to carry on playing, clubs in real hardship can apply to an independent panel at Sport England for a grant from the Winter Survival Package. It's already been publicly stated that no club will be allowed to go to the wall, but of course every club that applies will have to open its books to outsiders - a thing that some football chairmen are strangely reluctant to do.

It should weed out any chancers that just see a chance to put a stop to a season that's already a relegation battle for their club.

I'd want to look on the bright side and say if the likes of Dover want to field weakened sides because their forced to carry on that's 3 easy points for Pools this Saturday and another 3 on the last day of the season. Trouble is, it's not that long since Orient fielded their youth team against Pools in a League 2 game - and beat us.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

[quote="Flying Hogans"]

If the vote in the NL is to carry on playing, clubs in real hardship can apply to an independent panel at Sport England for a grant from the Winter Survival Package. It's already been publicly stated that no club will be allowed to go to the wall, but of course every club that applies will have to open its books to outsiders - a thing that some football chairmen are strangely reluctant to do.

It should weed out any chancers that just see a chance to put a stop to a season that's already a relegation battle for their club.

thats how it should be. if borehamwoods owner things its fine to run his club on three figure gates with possibly a bigger playing budget than pools why should he get free money. same with any other clubs with few fans but have a loaded owner.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9561

28 days to return voting submissions from last night's meeting.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4451

Sussex UK wrote:

Hartlepool and York can afford to play on and should because they are both chasing promotion...so it's ta feck with rest of them and who cares if they're skint?? nice.

I take it darlo will be pulling out of the fa trophy then?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

28 days to return voting submissions from last night's meeting.

can the league hire donald trump to see over the votes if they are postal ones.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Hartlepool and York can afford to play on and should because they are both chasing promotion...so it's ta feck with rest of them and who cares if they're skint?? nice.

I take it darlo will be pulling out of the fa trophy then?

I believe all footie games should be cancelled. Just how many variants of covid are there in the UK now?
If you're going allow 22 plus unmasked players to train and then run a pitch for 90 mins,you might as well open the gym's ,baths and everything else.

And what about the hypocrites who criticise the government for not being strict enough?.they want to watch a game of football for stimulation.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Sussex UK wrote:

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I believe all footie games should be cancelled. Just how many variants of covid are there in the UK now?
If you're going allow 22 plus unmasked players to train and then run a pitch for 90 mins,you might as well open the gym's ,baths and everything else.

And what about the hypocrites who criticise the government for not being strict enough?.they want to watch a game of football for stimulation.

can see where you are coming from but the places you have listed have never been places that have been proved to be transmitters of the virus anyway. training and matches are outdoors anyway and what proof has their been that players who have caught the virus caught it through football and no where else. lots of things we already cannot do and have to do is more about confidence for others and how it actually looks to the general public rather than any science behind it. if you do not use a gym or go to a pub etc i doubt those are bothered about their closure. if you want to try to get the virus i still think a day out taking in asda, morrisons and tesco is your best chance.

horden · **Posted:** Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:12 pm

accrington fan wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

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I believe all footie games should be cancelled. Just how many variants of covid are there in the UK now?
If you're going allow 22 plus unmasked players to train and then run a pitch for 90 mins,you might as well open the gym's ,baths and everything else.

And what about the hypocrites who criticise the government for not being strict enough?.they want to watch a game of football for stimulation.

can see where you are coming from but the places you have listed have never been places that have been proved to be transmitters of the virus anyway. training and matches are outdoors anyway and what proof has their been that players who have caught the virus caught it through football and no where else. lots of things we already cannot do and have to do is more about confidence for others and how it actually looks to the general public rather than any science behind it. if you do not use a gym or go to a pub etc i doubt those are bothered about their closure. if you want to try to get the virus i still think a day out taking in asda, morrisons and tesco is your best chance.

Obviously the best way to beat the virus, is to close everything, football, pubs, gyms, and supermarkets. However there is a case for supermarkets to be open , people need to eat food to survive, whereas pubs, gyms and football are not necessary for survival. Personally I am missing going swimming and having a sauna, more than going to the football. I do think supermarkets should have had their hours restricted etc, as it does look as though the government have gave them preferential treatment over other sectors, they must be raking it in during this pandemic.

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 652

25% of cases are picked in Supermarkets apparently. I don't go personally.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Infidel wrote:

25% of cases are picked in Supermarkets apparently. I don't go personally.

The big Supermarkets were all stricter last year when it first kicked off,and shoppers were wary of each other,it's not the same now.

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