Derwent;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... -offensive

Once milk goes off, you can’t turn it back.

What’s the point in trying to sway you ?

Carry on though.


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You can use the term coloured just like you can use the terms Paki, half caste or darkie, but don't be shocked if people think you are a racist if you do.
The fact you have been using it for a very long time does not make it okay, not because you are a racist but because you were ignorant of the fact.
The players involved on Saturday were black, that is how you should refer to them as that is what they are. Not sure how difficult that is to grasp.
Likewise if they are mixed race it is normal/acceptable to call them mixed race

Holy mother of god. Derwent unless you dont conside white a colour, then we are all coloured. My mother in law is 84 and I find it highly embarrassing when she uses the term. Seriously some people are beyond sense. What next? Will you do as she does and say well if anything that person is brown not black?

Thanks for that. It explains that some people are offended. If it offends it shouldn't be used, simple as that but I have to say that I have never used it as an intention to offend.
I simply want to do it right and don't intend to abuse anybody.
If somebody can be arsed to sift through my posting history there is very little abuse dished out by me. Hardly any swearing, either, although I am not lily white on that front.

The amount people using phrases like "I am not condoning rasicm but....." after saturday has shocked me. I could see from the tv that the bloke acted like a twat so call him a twat. I am not condoing racism but he acted like a twat is not a defence.

just call em all human beings and thats it. what is the need to mention anyones colour, country of birth or family history. could not care a damn where a player was born, where his family are from and what colour they are. if a player is shit then he is shit and vice versa.

Fair play for apologising Derwent

First of all, I find it extremely offensive with your unacceptable use of the Virgin Mary. Some would call it blasphemy. Christians of every race will find it abusive. So why use it. Practice what you preach, my friend.
If we are all coloured, as you suggest, then I will register that I don't mind being classed as coloured. I am not offended. Hope that helps you to moderate your language.
Sounds as if your mother in law talks sense and of all the nations we are talking about were to listen to her the place might be just a tad better and probably safer.
Give her my regards.

Thanks for that. It explains that some people are offended. If it offends it shouldn't be used, simple as that but I have to say that I have never used it as an intention to offend.
I simply want to do it right and don't intend to abuse anybody.

Don't think anybody familiar with your posts would have thought you intended to offend anybody Mr Derwent. Also good to see that you had a think about what was being said and changed your mind in the light of the information PJ posted the link to. Lot of people would have just stuck to their position or gone off in a huff.

[quote="Yubep"]Once milk goes off, you can’t turn it back.

What’s the point in trying to sway you ?

Carry on though.


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Is that a statement from you of your incompetence????
I am easily swayed but it has to be reasoned.
I once considered you to be a reasonable person, easy to get on with and easy to communicate with. I now no longer think that and it is you who has swayed me, so it can be done.

Anyone with half a brain knows god doesn't exist.

Black people definitely do exist though. I can see where you're coming from in your posts on this thread and you have at least tried to explain your position, but you can't be using the term coloured.

Normally just lurk around but feel a tad sorry for the way this went down with Derwent's comments.

A few years ago a chef (Jax I think they was called) came to my attention. They do not recognise themself as binary. When I asked my niece about the use of the word "they" she was quite nippy that I should query it.

When I was at school you conjugated your verbs he/she/it for singular entities and they was a plural. Still can't get my head around it and no doubt the person callex Jax would take offence while I struggled to come up with the right word if we ever met.

Does this make me a bigot or just never had it explained to me. I even struggled writing this to decide if themself or themselves was the correct terminology.

Derwent continually asked for some help on how he should describe non-caucasians as it had never occurred to him he may be causing offence.

A little understanding goes a long way.

To be fair I didn’t say that it wasn’t my argument, my point was that people who are likely to behave like that at Football ground in 2019 are probably from the generation of people who behaved like that at matches in the 70’s and 80’s and got away with it. It has nothing to do with age really it’s something embedded in certain people that’s only been put away and can obviously resurface when the correct trigger is pressed. Loads of people went to football and lived life in general at those times without being racist, but sadly more did as well.

Argument one is because someone said people over the age of 60 are more likely to be racist.

think all the banana and monkey chants came about in the late 70,s. being over 70 now i feel i was too mature in those days to join that start of shit. think its more likely to be those over 50 and coming up to retirement who find it hard to moderate or change their views. do know quite a few in that age group football and non football fans who love the use of wog at every opportunity and never use the many asian businesses i have in my area.

Hang on a minute. I repeatedly asked for clarification as to what is or is not acceptable but it was like pulling teeth, until PJ put an article up for my attention. At that point I said I will not use words that offend people as it is not my intention to use officially designated offensive language to deliberately offend people. Therefore it is a bit rich and totally unfair for you to suggest that I am digging in and closing my eyes and mind.
There is not a man living or has lived on this planet that can put his hand on his heart and accuse me of deliberately racially abusing him, nor is there any man living that can point to a time at which I have deliberately racially abused a player at the VIC., including opposition players.
Sitting in the CK, which probably has the largest proportion of elderly folk, I can't recall any significant racial abuse or racial chanting. Perhaps others can point out to me when it has occurred.
I very rarely chant anything perhaps with the exception of Hartlepool and I've never chanted we hate darlo cos I don't hate our friends from down the road. I feel sorry for them but I don't hate them.
If everybody who goes to the VIC caused as much trouble as I do, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

you mean like at least 95 per cent of the rest of us. not just at the Vic but in life in general.

Yeah, probably, Mr Accrington.