If I was to spend most of my life living in another European country, I would apply for citizenship, especially if my life is there. I despair of people who either like the archetypal Brits in Spain who never learn the language and live a separate life in the sun or the Englishman who never goes back and lives the life of the locals.

I’ve always thought of Eurovision as the EU Commission set to music.

People have always moved around, they always will. So will goods. The businessmen will see to that.

Yes you are probably right.
My money is on Australia.

Well it goes on and on and on and no one’s any the wiser. There’s no talent and the UK doesn’t even make an effort. It’s complicated, it’s boring and in the end a group of peasants from some village of the damned in the back woods of Slovakia enter a choir of 60 year old plus virgins who warble on and on and on with a song about the good old days working in No 265 barbed wire factory and castrating goats...all the other little countries vote for them and we wonder what the fuck was all that about? And that’s just the EU Commission!

Everyone ignoring Dalton's Haircut is the best part of this thread despite him knowing more on the subject than anyone

How do you figure that? Unless he's on the board he will have got the information that the rest of the company got. Do you think that the Branch Managers at Sports Direct really know what's going on in Ashley's head or the workers at BHS know intimately the plans of Philip Green?

The reality is that no one knows what is happening within Nissan with the possible exception of the Japanese Police.

I'll just add the words "on here" to the end of my post then.

Thanks.

With respect to Mr Dalton, you can't substantiate that either.

Maybe not but I'm guessing Nissan have stuff like yearly priorities, meetings of the top 100 executives and specialist groups in areas like research, procurement and so on who all know way more than most people about the car industry and Nissan in particular. Just the fact that Dalton's Haircut knew that they weren't planning diesel production for Sunderland put him a step ahead of everybody who had posted up to then.

A relation of mine who works at the R&D Nissan Technical Centre in Cranfield was told immediately after the Brexit vote that if it went ahead he would be moving to Europe.

R&D = Big salaries + cleaver people +big spin off to the economy/education.

I don't like the sound of those cleaver people, might be best if they go.

Britain has had enough of experts, and this thread proves it

Yes you are right and if you get rid to Europe of the Premier, Championship D1 and D2 and Pools will be in the top flight.

And i will be "dead cle(a)ver".

A Mexican once told me he was very cleaver.

I love experts. We had a problem years ago with a seawater valve so they called in an expert who produced a 50 ml bottle of wonder flush. He asked us to gather round and watch the result of 10 years of research solve the problem . A voice at the back said “he’s talking bollocks”. Chief Engineer glowered and we all fell silent. Next day, after the wonder flush had done it’s work, the Chief called us down to view the results and pronounced “that bloke WAS talking bollocks”. The same voice at the back said “I know, I told you yesterday”.
Experts.

Haven't Nissan already agreed in 2016 to build the next generation Qashqai at its Sunderland plant?

How long is the contract?

Asking for a friend..

Yes and the new Juke.

8 year lifespan

8 year from 2016? So I'm safe till 2024?

They don't tell us much..

No, the new juke starts this year and Qashqai next year. New Leaf also next year.

By 2024 we will be part of Russia or USA and Washington will be renamed Detroit or Putingrad.

By 2024 we will be part of Russia or USA and Washington will be renamed Detroit or Putingrad.[/quote]


Washington's as bad as Detroit or any town in Russia

Disclaimer : I haven't been to Detroit , but I have seen it on tele, I used to live in Washington though.

Nissan will never leave this country, our goverment simply wont let them, they will pepper Nissan with millions of ££££££ to stay.......Stop listening to scaremongerers.....

Never say never, but they will certainly be offered lots of money as an inducement to stay, as they have been since the 1980s. No doubt that played a big part in them coming here in the first place, that and a promise from the Thatcher gov of the day that the ,major unions would be destroyed within a few years of the setting up here.

The problem in future though is we may not have that sort of money to give them, against a backdrop of a country where in future a lot pf [people will be struggling to survive. We could always privatise the NHS like and use the money from their to subsidise Nissan.

When was that ‘promise’ made. ...?

early 80s before it opened, Tebbit I think it was , said it. The Japanese were worried about the impact of unions, being not long after the miners strike and the general industrial unrest Britain witnessed in the early years of Thatcherism. Tebbit more or less said, you come here, don't worry , leave the unions to me. Its only recently Nissan recognised unions and many workers are still scared to join a union at Nissan, of course Nissans recruitment procedures, aided and abetted by the anti trade union laws and repeal of legislation by the likes of Thatcher and Tebbit mean if you have any sort of union background you're hardly likely to get a job at Nissan in the first place.

Unions that work with the company as representatives of the workforce are a good thing. The unions of the seventies were a destructive force and contributed more than anyone to the decline of British manufacturing.

Unions in Germany seem to work pretty well. Particularly in their car industry.

Might have something to do with recognising the value of their staff rather than trying to screw them into the floor at any opportunity.

Might have something to do with them not trying to overthrow the board at every opportunity and the German unions are constructive, usually with a place on the board. I've worked for a German company and seen it in action.

if workers had been prepared to work much longer for far less money then i suppose british industry would have survived. problem is the workers might not have.

oh do give over. Thats not even worth responding to.

So who was that union official doing there yesterday morning?
Try getting people to join a union, I have and to be honest 90% couldn’t give a shit, because basically they just don’t understand or even care, no, they’re thick. Younger people would rather vote for the X Factor than a government.

As I said Snowy, only recognised recently , everything else I agree with you, they will learn the hard way.

Haway John, you can do better than that. The period between 63 and 79 was the best ever for the working man, with wealth inequality at its narrowest in 1975, that was entirely down to the efforts of the unions and the Labour party, even the tories had a half decent leader in the moderate Heath between 70 and 74, who was civilised enough to talk with the unions, generally It was a time of progression and enlightenment. It was the working class fighting back after years of being treat like shite, it wasn't the unions abusing their power after, it was a reaction to the upper class abusing theirs. As a country we are now going backwards, thanks to Thatcher, Bliar and Cameron, with all the good things achieved in the period 63-79 period now being unravelled.

Politics in this country suffers from the fact that all the party’s for the past thirty years have offered nothing different. They Labour Party is the Party that has changed the most. Most MP’s in it are middle class and ‘never had oil under their fingernails’ as one firebrand I knew used to describe them.
Since Blair, the Party has lost touch with the working class and use the voters for their agenda, not the voters agenda.

Yep , agree with that. To get elected in 97 Labour had to change, they created Bliar and became tory lite , which appeased the majority of the population, who it appeared after a period of dabbling in stocks and shares, making money from selling their council houses also became tory lite. Bliar did such a good job of being a tory, that in order for the tories to win an election they had to clone a Bliar of their own, along came Cameron, and the rest as they say is history.

Just to go on the medical shortage scare. It’s all bollocks I work for the biggest life science company in the world I deal with pfizer GSK and AZ every week and there as been no way any of this. We as a supplier have to make assurances that we have stock to provide this and we have about two years worth and comes from all across the world and mainly EU. Main problem at moment for research is media for cell culture with is Fetal Bovine Serum and sources of it from basically the meat industry

Just to add researchers are scared in academia regarding EU grants but in the scientific area UK are at the forefront and will always get funding. Walk around Cambridge and see how many biotech buildings are being built at the Addenbrookes , Baraham, Sanger etc Science in this country will always make money and get money from funding

Society has changed and most people want nice clothes, nice car, nice house, nice holiday etc. But while you’re busy, busy, busy acquiring them there’s not much time for things like ‘boring old politics’, consequently people just want the money coming in to maintain their lifestyle.
Therefore most people will vote for stability, no one is interested in storming the barricades anymore, they just dream of the next car.
Blair was never Tory lite, new Labour was a new thing altogether, it was the neutering of the left. It hasn’t gone away, they surround Corbyn in Parliament, waiting to resume the project when he falters. All those MP’s who wanted him out are still there having their input. It’s just a matter of time.

I don't know so much about society changing people, its 40 years of rampant capitalism that has changed people, making them more conservative in their views , more selfish and greedy and quite happy to live in a world where some people are thrown under a bus. I imagine 40 years of Socialism would do the same in reverse, with people accepting less, but in a world where no one was thrown under a bus, with everyone enjoying a share of the spoils, we more or less had this between the mid 50s and 1979. The capitalists have deliberately made the country as it is today, and greedy consumerism is its driving force, people like Corbyn scare the pants off them, hence everything but the kitchen sink is thrown at him. Thanks to the last 40 years we probably are a nation of conservatives now, who want a middle of the road , sit on the fence government and leader , but with that nothing will really change, we will still have a divided society with winners and losers , who wants nothing ? fair enough, but who wants that?.

My niece works at AZ and she was saying at the weekend there are questions about whether drugs approved in the UK post-Brexit will be accepted in the EU and vice-versa. I don't see why they wouldn't, but again, does this all hold together in the event of a No Deal Brexit?

I work for one of the big pharma companies. While yes, we are stocked well at the moment, the biggest threat is no deal. We've spent years planning for uncertainty and have enough stocks for around a couple of months. Problem is, if we leave with no deal, and items from the EU that require cold chain storage get held up then yes there will be vital medicine shortages. Especially cancer treatments, vaccines and certain glaucoma treatments. We have shortages already in some disease areas of healthcare owing to growing world demand and the fact you can't build manufacturing quickly enough, so any change to the plan now would be disasterous. Sadly as you point out very little is made here in the UK, but the majority does come from EU. However, it's not just EU that will be affected, it's anything from Ireland and the US as it'll too get caught up in customs too. Thankfully, the UK has adopted a rule of oh well we'll just follow the EU and batch testing guidelines anyway. But the UK is such a low profit market for medicines, so questions are already been asked of should we bother trying to get it into the UK and the threat does come from not being able to import medicines via wholesalers which may also leave us short. Or worse, greedy wholesalers/pharmacists could sell it to Europe etc given the value of the pound, also leaving us short.

for me its the post thatcher era that has caused this middle of the road leaders and governments. a lot do not want a proper socialist government or leader but neither do they want another thatcher either. for all the maggie lovers she created blair and cameron with their underlings more than anyone else did.

I read Daltons post on page 2 and then stopped.

Surely that was the end of the thread?

No because other people know more because BBC said some things.

Agree! In order to get elected Labour had to create Bliar and do away with their spine ( clause four ). Bliar did such a good job at out torying the tories, that in turn the tories had to clone Bliar and create Cameron so they could get elected , and the rest as they say is history , as a result the future is going to be very unstable indeed.