I make you right Phil, certainly nobody is blaming the fans and the other talk is a bit mental five games into a big task. Money has just come in as an outsider and is seeing it all with fresh eyes which are clearly not pickled onions. The negativity is palatable, it's probably understandable in many ways but at the same time that type of atmosphere isn't going to help the players but equally those players have to do and give far more to help that atmosphere improve. But a 'supporter' abusing one of his or her own players is about as moronic as it gets and completely counter productive, we do have an element of loud mouths who do that. I heard of people shouting profanity laden abuse at the new manager on Saturday, what is that going achieve?

This is a very astute comment from Money;

"The result determines the feeling but this is an angry club. This club is negative. Really, really negative. We all have to work hard to get out of it"

We ALL have to work hard to get out of it.

Sounds to me that there's a handful of gobshites sat below the press box who've twigged that if they shout loud enough they're on the radio. Anyone capable of standing for 90 minutes who chooses to park their backside on the Millhouse's pathetic excuse for seats is suspect in my book anyway.

Down in the standing area there are people who are guaranteed to go go mental every time:
- the manager doesn't leave at least one player upfield for opposition corners and free kicks;
- one of our players sends the ball backwards when in a promising position in the opposition half of the field;
- yet another corner or free kick doesn't clear the first man.

Other than that things get good and shouty, as they should, when an opposition player feigns injury, wastes time or when the ref/lino is an idiot (i.e. in 90% of games)

Apart from Noble, individual players rarely get slagged off in the section of the ground I stand in. Might be different somewhere else like the Town End, people who stand there would have to say.

Damned right though that the fans are angry and fed up. Somebody on the radio said there was only 6 home wins in the National League in the whole of 2018. That isn't right but it's not far wrong either. The thing Richard Money should be most worried about is people voting with their feet. Only a massive improvement in home form will mitigate that.

Noble getting slagged off? and Jesus wept

One of the worst areas and I used to experience this every home game walking along to bar for half time under Cyril Knowles was behind the home dugout, some absolute pearlers got shot at the manager from there. It could have been why they moved the dugout (nothing to stop the same people moving along suppose!) It must be very hard to bite your tongue a times while being subjected to that.

I definitely think Money has a point though the club still seems to have this cloud over it, a new manager with his experience should not be getting shit already especially in a period were he's trying asses the squad and what's needed to improve. The players have not changed so why do people expect things to transform in a few weeks?

There is a lot of emotion amongst Hartlepool fans, maybe its because of the town and the hard, mundane lives a lot of the people in it have , just trying to survive and living for the match on a Saturday, that makes them so irrational. I really don't know, but I sometimes think our support would make for a great sort of psychology research project.

Noble gets some stick for monopolising corners and free kicks and hitting too may bad ones - as I've mentioned already. I'm sure it's water off a duck's back to him. If only the entire squad had his level of self-belief!

I was made to be part of that Psychology Research Project headed by the eminent Professor Balltofeet.
The 158 page report ended with the word................Radged.

This complete myth about our fan's getting on the players backs is laughable, our fan's are extremely restrained. I've been to other football league grounds where the fan's go absolutely mental when players make mistakes or go through a rough patch, to the point of running down to the home dugout and throwing their season tickets in the Managers face.
The players need to have a long hard look at themselves, the glaring mistakes they make, lack of fight and effort/application is appalling.

Agreed, I defintely thought the central pairing of Anderson and Rodgers struggled. Fair play to their lad for bagging a brace but we made him look far better than he is.

Yeah, its not ideal, but as I have said before, probably no one else who could do any better. As you say, its good he has that self belief. One thing we don't want to do is piss him off though. Things can get worse, even if that hard to believe, once Noble starts acting up, getting sent off etc, we truly are fooked

spot on if players cant take a few criticisms from people paying 20 quid to watch the same old shite tough. Even when we were getting taken for a ride from coxall did the fans get angry? what exactly did we do? Chesterfield have been in the mire for the last 3 years, theirs been hell on there , protests, pitch invasions, orient and blackpool the same. What did we do? applaud the players of the pitch after losing to some part timers. Can anyone blame the fans for being negative, we are being taken apart by part timers, teams with 500 fans. The whole club needs to shape up and quick, before we are playing darlo and york regularly

All of those clubs are protesting about rogue owners who they want out, we have new owners who prevented the club going to the wall. Or are you suggesting we start protesting against the only viable option that saw a continuation of Hartlepool United? Join in after me we want Stelling Out!!

It's not spot on it's totally missing the point.

Money is not being critical of the fans, he is saying that negativity is hanging over the club. Evidence of this being true is everywhere. He is saying we ALL need to pull together to change this. That means him, his staff, the players and the fans. All of those things pulling in the same direction equals a better club. It is not rocket science.

Also, abusing or screaming at your own players is never a good idea no matter how angry you are it's always counter productive, every single time. No matter what you say they are human, and not many people (especially young people) are going to respond positively to that. Some people go to football to vent anger, that is not support.

My point was how patient our fans have been in the past, compared to other clubs.

I don’t disagree but to say anyone is blaming the fans is totally untrue.

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Money is not being critical of the fans, he is saying that negativity is hanging over the club. Evidence of this being true is everywhere. He is saying we ALL need to pull together to change this. That means him, his staff, the players and the fans. All of those things pulling in the same direction equals a better club. It is not rocket science.

easier said than done. most fans want to see a winning team and now can only see another wasted season with the side just being able to cobble enough points to make us safe for another season. a loss to telford on saturday will just underline this. those who do turn up regularly deserve a meddle no matter how they behave to the players.

T'mother in law likes a good meddle ...